Trades

[loveshaq786]

Let's use this for trade ideas

Trade 1.... schroder, kuz, kcp and 1st... For simmons and Seth

Trade 2... Simmons for Lowry and boucher. ... We can add caruso or harrell ( if he opts in)

Sign drose, dwight, pj tucker, (if bought out... Adams, love, wall)

[ROballer]

You can't attach a sign and traded player with anyone else(Schroder is a FA).

It's gonna be either Schroder alone, or Kuzma + KCP or either one of them.


I don't know how popular Kemba Walker is around here, but the Thunder are certainly shopping him for the first team who gives them a pick in return.

He's injury prone yes, but still only 31 and has 1 year left on his deal plus another one with a player option.
I don't know if Kuzma+ KCP+ the pick gets it done tho' salary wise, that will add up to 30 mil approx. Kemba will make 36 next year.

The Thunder would do it for less but we need matching salaries here. In every other trade for an all star caliber player who's not on a rookie deal, we need to trade both Kuzma and KCP because they make too little by themselvez.

[MAMBAEMD]

Kemba is way overpaid , undersized and injury plagued and his 3 point shooting is inconsistent .
He is also a defensive liability.
On the plus side, he’s a very good locker room guy and once in a while has a few good games in a row.

I’d pass on him. We need perimeter defenders and shooters.

[ROballer]

We need a legit 3rd scoring option. Spare me the defense part, we were hanging 80-90 pointers in the playoffs in a league that gets 110 in their sleep.

It's the 20's, not 00's. Look at Utah with the DPOY and their top 3 defense, they were stripped naked by a team without Kawhi and who started 4 SF's and a PG basically throughout the playoffs.

The offense and skill level of the top guards in the league has evolved so much(current rules help too), that you can have the best perimeter defenders ever on your team and you're still not stopping anybody.

And Kemba has made 3.0 3's a game on average for the last 5 years in a row. We never had that, ever.
His percentages should be taken with a grain of salt. You can't compare Kemba Walkers 3's with KCTrash 3's. One takes them off the dribble, step-backs, heavily contested while being the focus of the defense...the other one takes them without anybody within 5 feet of him, while having his feet set. And even them he passes them out occasionally as we saw in the playoffs.


Lebron and Davis' health cannot be taken as a given ever again. One is injury prone, the other one is old. We need a legit 20+ ppg scorer on a team to carry the load when one or both of them inevitably misses games. If he's good defensively then so be it but that's not a must.

I mentioned Kemba because I know for a fact he can be had for the package we can offer.
Any other guy in that mold will do.

[chrbal]

Let's use this for trade ideas

Trade 1.... schroder, kuz, kcp and 1st... For simmons and Seth

Trade 2... Simmons for Lowry and boucher. ... We can add caruso or harrell ( if he opts in)

Sign drose, dwight, pj tucker, (if bought out... Adams, love, wall)

Wow, good luck with that.

[Pythagoras]

We need a legit 3rd scoring option. Spare me the defense part, we were hanging 80-90 pointers in the playoffs in a league that gets 110 in their sleep.

It's the 20's, not 00's. Look at Utah with the DPOY and their top 3 defense, they were stripped naked by a team without Kawhi and who started 4 SF's and a PG basically throughout the playoffs.

The offense and skill level of the top guards in the league has evolved so much(current rules help too), that you can have the best perimeter defenders ever on your team and you're still not stopping anybody.

And Kemba has made 3.0 3's a game on average for the last 5 years in a row. We never had that, ever.
His percentages should be taken with a grain of salt. You can't compare Kemba Walkers 3's with KCTrash 3's. One takes them off the dribble, step-backs, heavily contested while being the focus of the defense...the other one takes them without anybody within 5 feet of him, while having his feet set. And even them he passes them out occasionally as we saw in the playoffs.


Lebron and Davis' health cannot be taken as a given ever again. One is injury prone, the other one is old. We need a legit 20+ ppg scorer on a team to carry the load when one or both of them inevitably misses games. If he's good defensively then so be it but that's not a must.

I mentioned Kemba because I know for a fact he can be had for the package we can offer.
Any other guy in that mold will do.

I agree with a lot of the points you make about Kemba, but one legitimate concern is his health. The abbreviated offseason caused everybody to get hurt this year, so maybe he would be alright this year with a real offseason to recover and put on load management, but it’s still going to be a concern with him.

[MAMBAEMD]

We need a legit 3rd scoring option. Spare me the defense part, we were hanging 80-90 pointers in the playoffs in a league that gets 110 in their sleep.

It's the 20's, not 00's. Look at Utah with the DPOY and their top 3 defense, they were stripped naked by a team without Kawhi and who started 4 SF's and a PG basically throughout the playoffs.

The offense and skill level of the top guards in the league has evolved so much(current rules help too), that you can have the best perimeter defenders ever on your team and you're still not stopping anybody.

And Kemba has made 3.0 3's a game on average for the last 5 years in a row. We never had that, ever.
His percentages should be taken with a grain of salt. You can't compare Kemba Walkers 3's with KCTrash 3's. One takes them off the dribble, step-backs, heavily contested while being the focus of the defense...the other one takes them without anybody within 5 feet of him, while having his feet set. And even them he passes them out occasionally as we saw in the playoffs.


Lebron and Davis' health cannot be taken as a given ever again. One is injury prone, the other one is old. We need a legit 20+ ppg scorer on a team to carry the load when one or both of them inevitably misses games. If he's good defensively then so be it but that's not a must.

I mentioned Kemba because I know for a fact he can be had for the package we can offer.
Any other guy in that mold will do.

Despite your long response, not sure you addressed the concerns about him being injury plagued, over paid, inconsistent, undersized and a defensive liability.
The Jazz lost even though they shot lights out in spurts partly because they played a much better defensive team in the Flippers.

Just because he can occasionally get a few 3 pointers in doesn’t at all convince me to pay him $36 million a year so we can watch him get devoured on the defensive end by the other team.

[tamaraw08]

He’s not a legit shooter/floor spacer and he yes his nagging injury 2 playoffs ago was the main reason why they couldn’t beat Miami imo, so that is a major concern with through out the last season.
If he can’t truly defend , Vogel will just bench him.
No to Ball too because if his tendency to get hurt and miss games.
At the end of the day, Vogel needs to sign off on who should be acquired because he is the one who makes the ultimate decision on who plays.

[ROballer]

He's MAKING 3 star 3's a game for his last 5 seasons(I mentioned in the previous posts what star 3's are, compared to scrub 3's) at a 38% clip.
But yeah, not a legit shooter/floor spacer.

The only issues is his health. Who cares if he's overpaid? He might opt out next year to get a longer deal so he has 1 one more year on his deal. It's not like we have the cap space to do anything else.

Defense again, it's very overrated from the PG spot. The talent level is so elite and the rules are so soft, you're not stopping Curry, Dame, Paul, Booker, Murray, Mitchell, Morant and all those West guards regardless on who you play, period. But we absolutely need to at least make them work defensively as well a little bit and limit the production discrepancy.

Those afromentioned PG's would basically chill the **** on D when the played us because we could't ever field a legit threat as scoring guard.


You're giving up two guys who have little to no value after their playoff runs and have contributed basically nothing to the team's performance...and the pick, that's the premium part here for OKC, that's why they'd do it. For a guy who made the all star team the last 4/5 years.

Do you think that package can get us more? I can't.
Objectively speaking, I know what value we're giving in return, and it's not a whole lot.

[tamaraw08]

He's MAKING 3 star 3's a game for his last 5 seasons(I mentioned in the previous posts what star 3's are, compared to scrub 3's) at a 38% clip.
But yeah, not a legit shooter/floor spacer.

The only issues is his health. Who cares if he's overpaid? He might opt out next year to get a longer deal so he has 1 one more year on his deal. It's not like we have the cap space to do anything else.

Defense again, it's very overrated from the PG spot. The talent level is so elite and the rules are so soft, you're not stopping Curry, Dame, Paul, Booker, Murray, Mitchell, Morant and all those West guards regardless on who you play, period. But we absolutely need to at least make them work defensively as well a little bit and limit the production discrepancy.

Those afromentioned PG's would basically chill the **** on D when the played us because we could't ever field a legit threat as scoring guard.


You're giving up two guys who have little to no value after their playoff runs and have contributed basically nothing to the team's performance...and the pick, that's the premium part here for OKC, that's why they'd do it. For a guy who made the all star team the last 4/5 years.

Do you think that package can get us more? I can't.
Objectively speaking, I know what value we're giving in return, and it's not a whole lot.

Yes 36% from 3 is ok but look at horrible his playoff averages are. At first they blamed his nagging injury last year then last game he missed 2 games when Jaylen Brown is already out and then the games he played he shot under 18%

[ROballer]

He had one playoff run in his last 6 years and that was in the bubble so not really normal conditions. This year clearly does not count, he was hobbled as ****. Only even played 3 games.

I rather look at the big sample size and not the small one. If you judge players on what have you done for me lately and small sample sizes, Kuzma and KCT belong in China, not the NBA. They hit 21% and 17% from WIDE OPEN 3's in the playoffs, not the kind that Walker takes.

3.0 7.6 .399
2.9 7.5 .384
3.2 8.9 .356
3.2 8.4 .381
3.0 8.2 .360

Makes, attempts and percentage in the last 5 years. This guy is not a legit floor spacer/3 point shooter.

2.9 7.7 .370
3.1 8.6 .361
3.0 8.0 .369
4.1 10.2 .401
4.1 10.5 .391

This guy is Damian Lillard.

[TylersLakers]

We could combine this into the trade thread. I have a couple deals I really like - based mostly around 3 assets. Kuzma + 1st and THT sign and trades. I don't believe either Kuz or THT should be on the team next year.

Kuzma, Marc Gasol, 1st to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes
Kuzma, Marc Gasol, 1st to Indiana for Myles Turner
Kuzma, McKinnie, 1st to Charlotte for Terry Rozier
Kuzma, 1st to Milwaukee for Brook Lopez

- THT sign and trade to Indiana with cash incentives for Justin Holiday and Jeremy Lamb. THT would be signed to a 3 year contract starting in the 14M range.
- THT sign and trade to Chicago for Thaddeus Young
- THT sign and trade to Cleveland for Taurean Prince and a future protected 1st rounder. I would honestly try hard to get Larry Nance, don't see that happening however.
- THT sign and trade to Orlando for Terrence Ross

[ROballer]

The only thing realistic about those is maybe Harrison Barnes.

Too little for Myles Turner.
Not of any interest for Charlotte, who have Miles Bridges, Hawyard, PJ Washington and Jalen McDaniels playing Kuzma's position.
Same with Milwaukee. Too much depth at the same position, they need Lopez and they'll probably want to keep the same squad if they win it.

As for THT, we didn't offer him for Kyle **** Lowry who's still one of the best 10 PG's in the league. That was the deal breaker. We're not giving him away for close to nothing.

Thaddeus Young is 33 years old and on a 24 min role for a terrible team for some years now.
Terrence Ross is a 34% 3 point shooter in his last two years combined and is a worse basketball player than THT is right now as 20 year old, let alone in the future.
Taurean Prince is a bench player for a lottery team, and also a worse player than THT is right now.
So are Holiday and Lamb.


The FO made it clear with the Lowry botched deal. The kid is part of the future and is here to stay.
And if you do S&T him, you don't do it for bench role players who are not only way older, but worse at basketball, just because you think they fit better than him. Lebron is damn near 37 years old and Davis is injury prone.
You don't **** put all of your eggs in that basket, bombarding the team's future for 1-2 years left of contention if maybe those two will stay healthy.

[Slava]

I'd definitely not waste that 1st round pick, one of our only assets on a center. We can bring back Javale and Dwight types to cover the 30 mins a game that is needed when Davis isn't playing the 5. It should go towards a scoring guard who can keep the offense afloat in line ups sans LeBron.

I'd be loathe to give up on KCP as he's one of the few on our team who stays healthy and shoots a healthy % from 3 but if you can get either Danny Green or Reggie Bullock for the MLE, you move him and pay Caruso to be the defensive guard in elite match ups.

Other than this, Kuzma needs to be moved in any sort of a deal. He finally has a significant enough salary to be aggregated into larger deals.

[loveshaq786]

Ben Simmons might just have the worst contract in the NBA now... He's definitely going to get shipped out of Philadelphia...

Joel embiid is pissed!!!

[loveshaq786]

Best plan yet....

Trade kuzma for DeRozan (he will agree to a sign and trade with LA)

Then Lowry would want to join forces with his best friend.... We can trade Dennis Schroeder and the first round pick for him. ... If Dennis Schroeder doesn't want to be traded there, we can do KCP and the first for Lowry

If montrez harrel opts in for his final year, which is very unlikely, we can try to trade him for Seth Curry or Chris boucher.

Sign Dwight Howard, McGee, Jeff Green, and Reggie Bullock for the veterans minimum.

Sign d Rose and Doug McDorett for MLE.

RESIGN CARUSO AND THT

[iamworthy]

Trade kuz, for anything!

[Pythagoras]

Lol, I forgot DeRozan was even a FA. I wouldn’t do a sign and trade with SAS out of principle, because of them not wanting to deal with the Lakers for Kawhi.

[tamaraw08]

He had one playoff run in his last 6 years and that was in the bubble so not really normal conditions. This year clearly does not count, he was hobbled as ****. Only even played 3 games.

I rather look at the big sample size and not the small one. If you judge players on what have you done for me lately and small sample sizes, Kuzma and KCT belong in China, not the NBA. They hit 21% and 17% from WIDE OPEN 3's in the playoffs, not the kind that Walker takes.

3.0 7.6 .399
2.9 7.5 .384
3.2 8.9 .356
3.2 8.4 .381
3.0 8.2 .360

Makes, attempts and percentage in the last 5 years. This guy is not a legit floor spacer/3 point shooter.

2.9 7.7 .370
3.1 8.6 .361
3.0 8.0 .369
4.1 10.2 .401
4.1 10.5 .391

This guy is Damian Lillard.

Ok, fine, you sold me he is not a bad shooter but I don't know if is equivalent of Damian Lillard though.
2 weeks after Stevens replaced Ainge, his first order of business is send Kemba along with their 16th overall pick for a 35 yr old center who missed a ton of games too and is on decline. I trust Rob to evaluate and investigate on why would Brad do that aside from his disturbing knee problem.

After spending most of the 2020 calendar year battling left knee issues, Walker underwent a 12-week strengthening program in the offseason to try to improve the knee, missing the start of the season, and then was intentionally held out of one half of every back-to-back set. But Walker, who averaged 19.3 points and 4.9 assists in 43 games, still wound up sitting out the final two games of Boston's season -- Games 4 and 5 of the Celtics' first-round playoff exit at the hands of the Brooklyn Nets -- with a bone bruise in that same left knee.

[ROballer]

Nobody is saying he is on Lillard's level, but the narrative he's not a good shooter for the shots he takes is simply not real.
He has the sample to back that up(5 consecutive seasons). Schroder for example had exactly one year(last) and reverted to norm afterwards.

It was true the first 4-5 years of his career, yes. But he improved vastly on that end and he made the leap to all-star status afterwards as a result.


Stevens doesn't like Kemba, there are numerous reports that they hate eachother. Stevens clearly wanted to replicate the Clippers wing duo even when Kemba was healthy, thus limiting his usage and scoring opportunities.

I don't think that's an issue with us. It's one thing to be the 3rd banana to Davis and Lebron who actually did something in their life, whole another thing to be the 3rd banana to a couple of 22-23 year olds who don't even have both of them combined the league experience that Kemba has.

I'm not saying Stevens was wrong, but I also can see Kemba's point of view on not really accepting that situation without pouting.


Salary is not an issue. Yes, he's overpaid. But we're capped out, we shouldn't care about that as long as it's not an albatross contract for numerous years. Kemba has one year left on his deal and then a PO. Given the fact that he's 31, he'll probably opt out if he has a healthy year to score one last 4 yr deal before he gets to the minimums.


Only concern I have about him is his health. This long offseason though might sort that out.