MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

twix2500 · Post #1101 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:30 pm

That why I asked a few weeks ago what role player is worth between around 15 mill. Because I think people think either your Max player or league min player, rarely someone worth in between.

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contract · Post #1102 » by **contract** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:30 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Shoulda' traded the farm for a star last summer, but another learning experience

Letting an asset like Duncan walk for nothing is asset failure on top of everything else

Shoulda learned from the Bumpy fiasco. Paying him would be the mistake.

eddieheatfan · Post #1103 » by **eddieheatfan** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:31 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/miami-heat-2020-21-player-review-duncan-robinson/ar-AALf0pR?ocid=winp1taskbar

twix2500 · Post #1104 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:37 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:You spend on big money on creators, on versatile 2 way stars, then and only then you try to add best role player shooter avaiable.

Robinson is not keeping the Heat from adding a third star. He is actually an asset to getting one

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Kobewade11 · Post #1105 » by **Kobewade11** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:39 pm

twix2500 wrote:Who has offered Robinson 20 mill and plus that got yall all up in arms?

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The belief is he’ll get in the ballpark of Joe Harris money. Which is 19 a year.

Post #1106 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:45 pm

Bogdan-$18M
Harris-$16M
Green-$15

I'd say those contracts are a good representation of where DRob could end up. Somewhere in that strat.

twix2500 · Post #1107 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:49 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Who has offered Robinson 20 mill and plus that got yall all up in arms?

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The belief is he’ll get in the ballpark of Joe Harris money. Which is 19 a year.

Joe Harris is not making 19 a year. He is making 16 this year and next year and 19 two years later in 2023-24. By then which will be equivalent to making 12 mill now.

Post #1108 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:50 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Shoulda' traded the farm for a star last summer, but another learning experience

Letting an asset like Duncan walk for nothing is asset failure on top of everything else

I think they tried to deal Duncan to the Raptors for Lowry but Raps countered with Herro. Raps did not want to deal with having to overpay Duncan either.

twix2500 · Post #1109 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:54 pm

I agree not paying Duncan 20 plus mill. Someone might offer him that but i am not concerned someone will. I think its somewhere between 14 -16 mill per year which is fine. Which is a few mill more than Olynyk and JJ.

Post #1110 » by **DayofMourning** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:02 pm

It all depends on the market for a shooter. I'd think that anyone with real interest would be a potential contender, one with a hole to fill. I don't know how many of those teams exist. On cursory glance, not many.

Beenie · Post #1111 » by **Beenie** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:10 pm

Duncan and Oladipo or Nunn for Harris and Dinwiddie.

Post #1112 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:12 pm

If Robinson played decent defense we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. You want to continue blocking Herro who can create off the dribble and has the skill set to become an elite shooter. Robinson and Herro can’t coexist defensively. We need an athletic 3 and D wing that compliments one or the other.

contract · Post #1113 » by **contract** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:12 pm

twix2500 wrote:I agree not paying Duncan 20 plus mill. Someone might offer him that but i am not concerned someone will. I think its somewhere between 14 -16 mill per year which is fine. Which is a few mill more than Olynyk and JJ.

It's not fine. He's not worth it. The guy sucks at offense and he sucks at defense and fans want to pay this guy $15 million a year? :crazy:

Kobewade11 · Post #1114 » by **Kobewade11** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:14 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Who has offered Robinson 20 mill and plus that got yall all up in arms?

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The belief is he’ll get in the ballpark of Joe Harris money. Which is 19 a year.

Joe Harris is not making 19 a year. He is making 16 this year and next year and 19 two years later in 2023-24. By then which will be equivalent to making 12 mill now.

Semantics. His contract averages 18.75 a year, Duncan is in the ballpark for that.

contract · Post #1115 » by **contract** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:15 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:If Robinson played decent defense we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. You want to continue blocking Herro who can create off the dribble and has the skill set to become an elite shooter. Robinson and Herro can’t coexist defensively. We need an athletic 3 and D wing that compliments one or the other.

Remember the good old days when it was 3 and D guys that were getting overpaid? Now 3 and no D guys are making 8 figures. Unreal!

twix2500 · Post #1116 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:16 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:If Robinson played decent defense we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. You want to continue blocking Herro who can create off the dribble and has the skill set to become an elite shooter. Robinson and Herro can’t coexist defensively. We need an athletic 3 and D wing that compliments one or the other.

Duncan is not blocking Herro.

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Post #1117 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:17 pm

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heats-duncan-robinson-could-get-deal-worth-20m-per-year-as-restricted-free-agent-this-offseason-per-report/

Post #1118 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:18 pm

twix2500 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:If Robinson played decent defense we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. You want to continue blocking Herro who can create off the dribble and has the skill set to become an elite shooter. Robinson and Herro can’t coexist defensively. We need an athletic 3 and D wing that compliments one or the other.
Duncan is not blocking Herro.

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Duncan is the starting two guard. He’s blocking Herro and even more if you go long term paying him starters money. Herro is not a PG

twix2500 · Post #1119 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:20 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:The belief is he’ll get in the ballpark of Joe Harris money. Which is 19 a year.

Joe Harris is not making 19 a year. He is making 16 this year and next year and 19 two years later in 2023-24. By then which will be equivalent to making 12 mill now.

Semantics. His contract averages 18.75 a year, Duncan is in the ballpark for that.

Its not semantics. 20 is not 19 per year, 19 is not 18 per year and 18 is not 16 per year. As years go by that number becomes less of a affect on the cap because the cap rises. By 2024 are stars gonna be getting paid 50 mill per yr.

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twix2500 · Post #1120 » by **twix2500** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:22 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:If Robinson played decent defense we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. You want to continue blocking Herro who can create off the dribble and has the skill set to become an elite shooter. Robinson and Herro can’t coexist defensively. We need an athletic 3 and D wing that compliments one or the other.
Duncan is not blocking Herro.

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Duncan is the starting two guard. He’s blocking Herro and even more if you go long term paying him starters money. Herro is not a PG

He only the starter because Herro not ready to start. There no obligation to start Robinson. When Herro ready he will start over Robinson. He might start next season. Robinson is not stunting anything.

Happy Father's Day by the way

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