[WOJ] Wizards and Head Coach Scott Brooks Part Ways.....

[badinage]

Uh huh. I see.

So, Kara Lawson, for instance, doesn’t strike me this way. Dwayne Casey, for instance, does not. Doc Rivers, for instance, does not.

Billups does.

Doesn’t mean the cat can’t coach. Maybe? I guess soon enough we will see.

As to the point about Billups and Cassell as PGs of chip-winning squads ... sure. But communicating on the court isn’t the same as communicating off it.

[Dolevi]

I'm so happy for u guys. It's about time you will have a different and better coach than Brooks. I think it's important for u to find a coach who can influence your team to play teaming basketball with a lot of movements with and without the ball, sharing the ball and making the extra pass, so your offense will be able to let each guy in the squad to shine in a random game. About defense, not less important, a coach who can make the team defend better with sync and good communication. And last thing, someone who will be good at ugrading young players, letting them find their game and strong sides, and then let them do that on the floor. I wish for you to find this man that will ugrade your organisation. Anyway, firing Brooks is the first step in order to be better! Rick Carlisle to replace him seems like a very good option.

[DCZards]

Uh huh. I see.

So, Kara Lawson, for instance, doesn’t strike me this way. Dwayne Casey, for instance, does not. Doc Rivers, for instance, does not.

Billups does.

Doesn’t mean the cat can’t coach. Maybe? I guess soon enough we will see.

As to the point about Billups and Cassell as PGs of chip-winning squads ... sure. But communicating on the court isn’t the same as communicating off it.

Is there any evidence that Cassell and Billups are not good communicators?

And I’m not talking about the type of communicating you do in front of a camera. I’m talking about the person-to-person communicating that coaching requires. That’s what matters most here.

Wall...glizzy got it right. “Slow processing” are stereotypical code words.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm so happy for u guys. It's about time you will have a different and better coach than Brooks. I think it's important for u to find a coach who can influence your team to play teaming basketball with a lot of movements with and without the ball, sharing the ball and making the extra pass, so your offense will be able to let each guy in the squad to shine in a random game. About defense, not less important, a coach who can make the team defend better with sync and good communication. And last thing, someone who will be good at ugrading young players, letting them find their game and strong sides, and then let them do that on the floor. I wish for you to find this man that will ugrade your organisation. Anyway, firing Brooks is the first step in order to be better! Rick Carlisle to replace him seems like a very good option.

Yes this is EXACTLY what we need!!

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Uh huh. I see.

So, Kara Lawson, for instance, doesn’t strike me this way. Dwayne Casey, for instance, does not. Doc Rivers, for instance, does not.

Billups does.

Doesn’t mean the cat can’t coach. Maybe? I guess soon enough we will see.

As to the point about Billups and Cassell as PGs of chip-winning squads ... sure. But communicating on the court isn’t the same as communicating off it.

Is there any evidence that Cassell and Billups are not good communicators?

And I’m not talking about the type of communicating you do in front of a camera. I’m talking about the person-to-person communicating that coaching requires. That’s what matters most here.

Wall...glizzy got it right. “Slow processing” are stereotypical code words.

This should be our next coach!!!!

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[gambitx777]

I would put big money on either Sam Cassell or Wes Jr. Ted loves a good story and loves to look loyal or actually be loyal. It's probably both.

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I don't think Cassell or Wes have any advantage. I do think Ted will think about how the coaching choice impacts his image as much as he does about how the coach will actually help us win games, but I don't think it will manifest itself in a reach for a "home town" type of pick. I think it will manifest itself in a diversity hire. The coach will be either black or female. (Note, that doesn't bother me at all since there are plenty of good options available. Hopefully, he'll find a coach who is both a diversity hire AND a good coach.)

You might be right. But at the same time. Wes and Sam are also decent and respectable options. No one would be offended if they got the job.

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[keynote]

Carlisle is very good coach, but he has a rep for being a hard guy to play for. Isn't that what got him fired in Indiana? Are there any "disciplinarian" coaches left in 2021?

Exactly. We need someone that is actually willing to stand his ground with Westbrook & Beal. In this case, what we don't need is a players coach that gets rolled over...

But again, is there any evidence that hard line coaches who "stand up" to their stars are successful in *2021*?

Pop was known for holding Duncan accountable. But perhaps that didn't go over so well with their next generation of franchise star. I dunno.

In any event, in past eras, one could cit examples of high-quality disciplinarians and high-quality players coaches. Riley, Brown, and Sloan had disciplinarian streaks; Jackson was a player's coach. But these days, the most successful coaches seem to know how to cater to stars, not hold them accountable. Kerr, Doc, and Lue all seem to know more about pleasing stars than demanding accountability out of them. Pop and Carlisle have rings, but we also see lots of disciplinarians quickly wearing out their welcomes and getting shipped out of town. One could argue that the Jackson model seems to have won the day.

Putting it differently: who are the highly successful disciplinarian coaches in 2021?

[Dat2U]

I don’t get this stuff about Billups and Cassell processing “slowly.” Based on what? Sounds a little...to me.

Lol yeah, the slow processing that gave them such trouble as the PGs of championship squads. It's the same sort of thing people said about Tyronn Lue until he proved himself yet again this post-season. Funnily enough, it's what gets said about most any black former player who works his way up into candidacy for a head coaching gig.

Yep, you don't have the career Chauncey Billups had as a PG without having the ability to process everything around you extremely fast. It silly to think a low IQ or 'slow processing' individual could be a successful running an NBA offense, getting everyone organized & into their sets, recognizing and exploiting mismatches, etc. That doesn't mean Billups will be a good coach but I'm confident his has the intelligence for the job and any insinuation that he's not based on the way he talks is really disconcerting to see.

[badinage]

Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra, Snyder.

I don’t see them as disciplinarian. I see them as being highly organized and structured with what they do.

They’re 4 of the finest in the biz.

[miller31time]

Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra, Snyder.

I don’t see them as disciplinarian. I see them as being highly organized and structured with what they do.

They’re 4 of the finest in the biz.

I think Pop has changed a lot since he first became the Spurs’ head coach. He was much more of a disciplinarian back then and was incredibly tough on players like Tony Parker. Of course, that’s exactly what Parker needed and Pop presumably knew that.

Pop seems way more relaxed now, most likely because he has rightly earned the reputation of an all-time great coach and doesn’t need to flex his disciplinary muscles for his players to do what they need.

[dckingsfan]

Carlisle is very good coach, but he has a rep for being a hard guy to play for. Isn't that what got him fired in Indiana? Are there any "disciplinarian" coaches left in 2021?

Exactly. We need someone that is actually willing to stand his ground with Westbrook & Beal. In this case, what we don't need is a players coach that gets rolled over...

But again, is there any evidence that hard line coaches who "stand up" to their stars are successful in *2021*?

Pop was known for holding Duncan accountable. But perhaps that didn't go over so well with their next generation of franchise star. I dunno.

In any event, in past eras, one could cit examples of high-quality disciplinarians and high-quality players coaches. Riley, Brown, and Sloan had disciplinarian streaks; Jackson was a player's coach. But these days, the most successful coaches seem to know how to cater to stars, not hold them accountable. Kerr, Doc, and Lue all seem to know more about pleasing stars than demanding accountability out of them. Pop and Carlisle have rings, but we also see lots of disciplinarians quickly wearing out their welcomes and getting shipped out of town. One could argue that the Jackson model seems to have won the day.

Putting it differently: who are the highly successful disciplinarian coaches in 2021?

Anytime I do an analysis like this I would posit the question. How have the "players coaches" done against those "disciplinarians"?

How has Scott Brooks done against Carlisle? How did Tom Thibodeau do vs. Luke Walton?

Then I would take those data points and extrapolate them against the team/problems we have. Namely and in my opinion, Westbrook and Beal don't so much follow a game plan as do what they want. What kind of coach could get them to change those behaviors?

I am going to dismiss the Pop evaluation right now. When your two best players are Aldridge and DeRozan, I don't think you are going to win much. Now, if you say that Westbrook/Beal don't have as much potential as Aldridge and DeRozan - well, that is a whole other kettle of fish.

[dckingsfan]

Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra, Snyder.

I don’t see them as disciplinarian. I see them as being highly organized and structured with what they do.

They’re 4 of the finest in the biz.

Yup, and if you tell me I could have a top 10 coach, I jump at it. But, IMO, Carlisle is a top 5 coach.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra, Snyder.

I don’t see them as disciplinarian. I see them as being highly organized and structured with what they do.

They’re 4 of the finest in the biz.

I think Pop has changed a lot since he first became the Spurs’ head coach. He was much more of a disciplinarian back then and was incredibly tough on players like Tony Parker. Of course, that’s exactly what Parker needed and Pop presumably knew that.

Pop seems way more relaxed now, most likely because he has rightly earned the reputation of an all-time great coach and doesn’t need to flex his disciplinary muscles for his players to do what they need.

I guess Beal (and Westbrook?) are going to get some Pop coaching with the Olympic team. It'll be interesting to see how Beal's style of play (dribbling out the shot clock, going 1 on 3 to get his shot off, lack of defense, careless TOs) will mesh with Pop's style of coaching.

I'm also interested to see if Beal's constant complaining about fouls will fly with the Olympic refs.

[80sballboy]

Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra, Snyder.

I don’t see them as disciplinarian. I see them as being highly organized and structured with what they do.

They’re 4 of the finest in the biz.

I think Pop has changed a lot since he first became the Spurs’ head coach. He was much more of a disciplinarian back then and was incredibly tough on players like Tony Parker. Of course, that’s exactly what Parker needed and Pop presumably knew that.

Pop seems way more relaxed now, most likely because he has rightly earned the reputation of an all-time great coach and doesn’t need to flex his disciplinary muscles for his players to do what they need.

I guess Beal (and Westbrook?) are going to get some Pop coaching with the Olympic team. It'll be interesting to see how Beal's style of play (dribbling out the shot clock, going 1 on 3 to get his shot off, lack of defense, careless TOs) will mesh with Pop's style of coaching.

I'm also interested to see if Beal's constant complaining about fouls will fly with the Olympic refs.

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I don't think he'll complain much. We should boatrace most of the teams there. As for Pops coaching, I think it's a good thing Beal can learn a few things on both ends of the floor from a "real" coach. He also might want to think twice about returning after next season, if the coach is not to his liking. Then again, maybe he'd rather want Hammon or Udoka (Pop proteges). I guess we'll have a coach by then. Maybe.