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Going forward to next season and beyond 

Post#1 » by Sharcm1 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:27 pm

Well the season is over. We are all still disappointed and trying to figure out what happened. But we have to look to next year and the future now, nets have big decisions to make on almost all the players this summer, who should they keep. Who should they let go and who should they try to get?

Obviously they should extend the big three. I think all of them will want to stay and get the chip. I think harden will come in better shape and not get hurt. Durant will be fine and Irving can always get hurt but he plays that way.

Brown is a must keep for me. He brings everything the nets are missing with Irving and harden. Hustle and defense.

Shamet can take a hike. Trade him for a real shooter,

Griffin should come back. Idk if he will want a bigger contract but he played Giannis well and can do some stuff for us. Bring back under the right contract.

Green must come back. He was huge all year. Give him what he wants

The bench players like alize, chiz and TLC can go. If you’re not gonna use them don’t keep them. I like TJ but Nash clearly doesn’t. So he’s prob gone. I wish they could trade Jordan for anything. I would keep perry to s small contract and try to develop him. And I would extend Nic.

Dinwiddie. I think this playoffs showed how much we need this guy. Need another player that can break down a defense and get shots for people and himself. He’s clutch and would have been huge if we had him against the bucks. I haven’t always liked his game but I think he is needed considering the injuries Irving gets,

Biggest needs. Center. The nets need a center. The lost of LMA was huge. We need a real center. Idk who they can get but that’s what they need. And another shooter off the bench.
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Post#2 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:34 pm

We need to get a goon in FA that's not afraid to fight fire with fire. Giannis should be on crutches right now.
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Post#3 » by NetsJets » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:36 pm

Maybe Claxton can be our starting center next year. I’m assuming he continues to get better. Bringing back Dinwiddie is a priority. I’d like to bring back Blake, Green and Bruce. Keep Mike James as a 3rd PG, outside of that everyone else is expendable.
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Post#4 » by Shark » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:06 pm

In an ideal world we'd add:

A reliable backup PG- With a healthy Dinwiddie this may be less of an issue. But I think we should add some depth here. In particular a player to Nash's liking, whatever that may be. Clearly TJ wasn't the answer for him and Mike James played himself out of a significant role in the Bucks series. While I like TJ, I think both he and James are gone this offseason opening room for one more PG.

3 and D wing- Nash's refusal to play our best defender, Claxton, probably stems from the fact that he doesn't contribute enough on offense. While I'm not a huge fan of his use of 5 out lineups (especially without one particularly strong defender) give him a player that can do both. If he decides he still isn't going to play a good defender that can hit 3s at a decent clip then he's clearly got some sort of issue.

Center- We need someone with size that can rebound. Relying on gang rebounding only works so much. On the flip side we're going to need a big man that can also shoot. Without having a look at this upcoming FA class, I can't say there's anyone that'd really stand out. But they'd pretty much have to be something like LMA. And as with a wing, this center would have to hit shots (ideally 3s) at a decent clip. While Nash showed an over reliance on small lineups, I think part of that was due to the fact that our bigs post-LMA retirement just weren't reliable perimeter shooters.

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-KD, Kyrie, Harden, Dinwiddie, Griffin, Green, Shamet, Claxton, Brown, Perry (2-way)

On the fence
Harris

Out
TJ, Chiozza, DJ, Mike James, TLC, Alize
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Post#5 » by NetsJets » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:10 pm

Shark wrote:In an ideal world we'd add:

A reliable backup PG- With a healthy Dinwiddie this may be less of an issue. But I think we should add some depth here. In particular a player to Nash's liking, whatever that may be. Clearly TJ wasn't the answer for him and Mike James played himself out of a significant role in the Bucks series. While I like TJ, I think both he and James are gone this offseason opening room for one more PG.

3 and D wing- Nash's refusal to play our best defender, Claxton, probably stems from the fact that he doesn't contribute enough on offense. While I'm not a huge fan of his use of 5 out lineups (especially without one particularly strong defender) give him a player that can do both. If he decides he still isn't going to play a good defender that can hit 3s at a decent clip then he's clearly got some sort of issue.

Center- We need someone with size that can rebound. Relying on gang rebounding only works so much. On the flip side we're going to need a big man that can also shoot. Without having a look at this upcoming FA class, I can't say there's anyone that'd really stand out. But they'd pretty much have to be something like LMA. And as with a wing, this center would have to hit shots (ideally 3s) at a decent clip. While Nash showed an over reliance on small lineups, I think part of that was due to the fact that our bigs post-LMA retirement just weren't reliable perimeter shooters.

Keep
-KD, Kyrie, Harden, Dinwiddie, Griffin, Green, Shamet, Claxton, Brown, Perry (2-way)

On the fence
Harris

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TJ, Chiozza, DJ, Mike James, TLC, Alize

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Post#6 » by Suwanee » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:01 pm

Jim Carrey. I mean Rick Carlisle. We need to be quick before he got snatched up by some other team.
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Post#7 » by Jta444 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:18 pm

Health of the Big 3 is more important than depth. This is what we learned this playoffs. All of us were worried about all these signings and pieces around the Big 3, but really when the 3 are going nobody can stop that juggernaut. Without Harden and then later Kyrie we took the Bucks to 7 games.

But yea we need tough guys to surround the Big 3. Blake, Claxton, and Brown are must keeps. Joe Soft Harris should be out. But really Nets just need to be luckier next season. And Harden must come in shape. Durant and Kyrie should coast the season and preserve their bodies.
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Post#8 » by Jta444 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:18 pm

Jta444 wrote:Health of the Big 3 is more important than depth. This is what we learned this playoffs. All of us were worried about all these signings and pieces around the Big 3, but really when the 3 gets going nobody can stop that juggernaut. Without Harden and then later Kyrie we took the Bucks to 7 games.

But yea we need tough guys to surround the Big 3. Blake, Claxton, and Brown are must keeps. Joe Soft Harris should be out. But really Nets just need to be luckier next season. And Harden must come in shape. Durant and Kyrie should coast the season and preserve their bodies.
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Post#9 » by Karate Diop » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:36 pm

While injuries were a part of it versus the Bucks the team seemed to largely ditch the good ball movement they had for their lost successful stretches of the regular season in favor of iso-ball in the playoffs... To me that was one of the most disappointing things to happen this year and is an indictment of the coaching staff... This team can win with iso-ball but it puts mich more pressure on everyone and makes easy wins hard to come by.
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Post#10 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:44 pm

Karate Diop wrote:While injuries were a part of it versus the Bucks the team seemed to largely ditch the good ball movement they had for their lost successful stretches of the regular season in favor of iso-ball in the playoffs... To me that was one of the most disappointing things to happen this year and is an indictment of the coaching staff... This team can win with iso-ball but it puts mich more pressure on everyone and makes easy wins hard to come by.


I have no problem if we set screens to draw the mismatch and attack. But in games 4, the first half of 5 and all of 6 the Nets abandoned that for some really odd reason. We should have had Brown screening Tucker and Holiday every time down the floor to exploit Lopez drop back coverage. They had no answer for it.
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Post#11 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:46 pm

Jta444 wrote:Health of the Big 3 is more important than depth. This is what we learned this playoffs. All of us were worried about all these signings and pieces around the Big 3, but really when the 3 are going nobody can stop that juggernaut. Without Harden and then later Kyrie we took the Bucks to 7 games.

But yea we need tough guys to surround the Big 3. Blake, Claxton, and Brown are must keeps. Joe Soft Harris should be out. But really Nets just need to be luckier next season. And Harden must come in shape. Durant and Kyrie should coast the season and preserve their bodies.


We need veterans at PG and the wing to help spell Harden and KD during the season. Nash ran Harden into the ground and that can't happen again.
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Post#12 » by Karate Diop » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:50 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:While injuries were a part of it versus the Bucks the team seemed to largely ditch the good ball movement they had for their lost successful stretches of the regular season in favor of iso-ball in the playoffs... To me that was one of the most disappointing things to happen this year and is an indictment of the coaching staff... This team can win with iso-ball but it puts mich more pressure on everyone and makes easy wins hard to come by.


I have no problem if we set screens to draw the mismatch and attack. But in games 4, the first half of 5 and all of 6 the Nets abandoned that for some really odd reason. We should have had Brown screening Tucker and Holiday every time down the floor to exploit Lopez drop back coverage. They had no answer for it.


I don't think it's a recipe that can be used for 48 minutes though... And that's my major gripe. You need some variety to keep players fresh and the defense honest.
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Post#13 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:56 pm

Karate Diop wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:While injuries were a part of it versus the Bucks the team seemed to largely ditch the good ball movement they had for their lost successful stretches of the regular season in favor of iso-ball in the playoffs... To me that was one of the most disappointing things to happen this year and is an indictment of the coaching staff... This team can win with iso-ball but it puts mich more pressure on everyone and makes easy wins hard to come by.


I have no problem if we set screens to draw the mismatch and attack. But in games 4, the first half of 5 and all of 6 the Nets abandoned that for some really odd reason. We should have had Brown screening Tucker and Holiday every time down the floor to exploit Lopez drop back coverage. They had no answer for it.


I don't think it's a recipe that can be used for 48 minutes though... And that's my major gripe. You need some variety to keep players fresh and the defense honest.


I agree with that. But I prefer that to what we saw in the other losses: stagnant 1 on 1 that ended up going nowhere
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Post#14 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:22 pm

I still feel like this team fits perfectly around the Big 3.

Like were blaming the roster for not doing things it wasn't supposed to do.

First, get Harris a mental therapist.

The only thing I would look at add is a true big. But I really don't think we would play anyone like that in a playoff series.

The biggest add would obviously be Dinwiddie. If we could get him back we could have won this series easily.

Keep Dinwiddie, Brown. Keep Green. Maybe add another big. Thats it.
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Post#15 » by drchaos » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:22 pm

Looking back at this series I have the following thoughts.

Despite all of the injuries and other problems KD was maybe an inch away from hitting a three pointer to win game seven.

If Kyrie doesn't get the injury in game four or if Harden is healthy we probably lock this series up by game five.

The Bucks were a bad matchup for us in Milwaukee where the home refs took a no blood no foul approach allowing the Bucs to push us around in the paint.

Joe Harris disappearing act was the biggest surprise for me after they Kyrie injury.

It wouldn't surprise me if Joe was nursing some kind of injury.

I also found the decision to lean so heavily on our starters to be a surprise.

If the big three played fewer minutes perhaps someone else lands on Giannis's foot instead of Kyrie.

Having failed to win the chip this year might incentivize ownership to pay Spencer.
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Post#16 » by Suwanee » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:37 pm

I’m disappointed with Harris too. But I don’t mind keeping him. First of all, his value can’t be any lower now. You don’t sell low. Secondly, even if he’s just a regular season player, he can still help us get RS wins. In the playoffs, as long as the Big 3 are healthy, he can chill the fxxx out on the bench if he still shoots like crap. If the big 3 are not healthy, we’re screwed regardless.
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Post#17 » by Suwanee » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:41 pm

We need a coach not so stubborn to play starters the whole game regardless how they perform.
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Post#18 » by Stone » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:01 pm

The only thing that stopped us this year was the injuries. We lost Spencer early in the season and Kyrie late and we had a hobbled 50% Harden. Not to mention LMA.

The big question is how much is Joe Tsai willing to spend. I'm pretty confidant Kyrie will stay and be extended. I believe KD has option after next season, hopefully we can extend him and not have that question mark - storyline hanging over our heads all next season.

It could be a lot worse, we still have an open window and a strong chance to contend.
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Post#19 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:12 pm

Honestly I think having D'Antoni leaving and getting an offensive coach that can design an offense around what we have and not pigeon hole players into a system that always results in failure will do us a world of good.

Claxton should have been viable this series. When Brown was off the floor, Claxton should have been in, and vice versa. The obsession with 5 out basketball did this team no favors. I hope next year we can run a more balanced system with a lot more off ball movement and multiple screens. We should be forcing defenses to scramble to cover our guys, not have them sitting there watching KD, Kyrie and Harden dribble.

We should also be setting screens for KD off the ball and hitting him in his mid range sweet spots. Same with Kyrie.

Thank god MDA is out.
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Post#20 » by Mosdefinition » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:57 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:We need to get a goon in FA that's not afraid to fight fire with fire. Giannis should be on crutches right now.


Speaking of that play where the ref thought brown pushed giannis and got a technical early in the game. That actually cost the nets the game with the extra freethrows.

I think Harrell would be a good pick up. He won't be back with the lakers more than likely.

The only bigs I think they can get a Myles Turner or God forbid Whiteside or cousins for the minimum.

Turner is a capable 3 point shooter

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