Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[dckingsfan]

What is all this Simmons talk about? Did he say he wanted to be traded? Seems Philly has had a pretty good season.

IMO LeBron wanting Westbrook is a more interesting scenario.

Would that even be possible under the cap with James/Davis?

Yes, or at least it's in the ballpark. The key is that Kuzma gets a big raise to $13M. Add that to KCP's $13M and Harrell's $10M player option and it gets close to Westbrook's $44M.

Got it - and hope for Giddy. Is this a better team?

G: Beal, Pope, Giddy
F: Kuzma, Rui, Bertans, Avdija, Hutchison, Gill
C: Gafford, Harrell, Bryant

I guess trades would follow that...

And if Beal doesn't want to resign then it wouldn't be terrible if we got a block buster for Beal.

[gambitx777]

What is all this Simmons talk about? Did he say he wanted to be traded? Seems Philly has had a pretty good season.

IMO LeBron wanting Westbrook is a more interesting scenario.

Would that even be possible under the cap with James/Davis?

Yes , but I don't know what the trade would be I don't think it can be done till after the league year ends. Cuz cuz contract going to 13 mill for filler is like the only way to make that work, and it would have to incluse gasol and mckinny. And it's still tight. But do we want KCP and Trez? Meh they have to sweeten the pot for sure. A Future first and and seconds they have imo. Maybe make it a three way?

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[Endless Loop]

FWIW, Steven Adams- or at least a 7-foot guy with a beard and distinctive tattoo who looks just like Steven Adams- was at Echostage last night.

Signed a 2 year extension with NO last year, starting in 2021-22, $17.5 million a year.

[9 and 20]

Adams for Bertans? Sure, I guess. Would need to trade Bryant for a wing, then. Adams and Gafford would be a soild C rotation. Bring back Len as the third C.

[trast66]

Ben Simmons is available for not much. I think he stinks, but I bet Tommy sees him as a “big swing”.

I’m enjoying PHX and ATL, they built the right way, had faith in Booker and a Young and built wisely around them.

[prime1time]

I'd trade for Simmons in a heartbeat.

[prime1time]

Ben Simmons is available for not much. I think he stinks, but I bet Tommy sees him as a “big swing”.

I’m enjoying PHX and ATL, they built the right way, had faith in Booker and a Young and built wisely around them.

How does Simmons stink? His jumper is non-existent, but he's the same size of Daniel Gafford, can guard 1-5, is a great passer, defensive POY candidate. You give Simmons shooting and he can be a very effective player.

[trast66]

Ben Simmons is available for not much. I think he stinks, but I bet Tommy sees him as a “big swing”.

I’m enjoying PHX and ATL, they built the right way, had faith in Booker and a Young and built wisely around them.

How does Simmons stink? His jumper is non-existent, but he's the same size of Daniel Gafford, can guard 1-5, is a great passer, defensive POY candidate. You give Simmons shooting and he can be a very effective player.

He’s getting worse at everything. And that contract!

[Silvie Lysandra]

ATG talent, but more or less the same mental makeup as Dwayne Haskins. He's so talented that he'll produce in the regular season just from raw ability, but he's a bitch.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Ben Simmons is available for not much. I think he stinks, but I bet Tommy sees him as a “big swing”.

I’m enjoying PHX and ATL, they built the right way, had faith in Booker and a Young and built wisely around them.

How does Simmons stink? His jumper is non-existent, but he's the same size of Daniel Gafford, can guard 1-5, is a great passer, defensive POY candidate. You give Simmons shooting and he can be a very effective player.

Simmons had Embiid and a roster full of shooters and he still couldn’t help his team beat a 5th seed at home in game 7 in the conference semis. Simmons is not an awful player in theory but he’s basically a worse shooting Draymond Green without having the added benefit of having Steph Curry, and to a lesser extent Klay Thompson, to play with. And he makes max money so you and everyone else around here that wants him are high. Did I mention he has an ego and dates the likes of the Kardashians. Red **** alert on bad judgement.

[payitforward]

A trade proposed on the Trade Board:

Washington trades: Beal, Bertans, Hutchison
Philly trades: Simmons, Thybulle, Hill, #28, 2023 1st, pick swaps in 2022 and 2024....

There is zero chance of Philly doing that.

No one would give a R1 pick for Bertans at this point, & Hutchison has virtually no value. OTOH, Thybulle is quite valuable -- one of the very best players out of the '19 draft.

The Sixers are run by Daryl Morey. He's not a fool.

Edit: not necessarily suggesting we trade for Simmons, but the above is plain ridiculous.

[payitforward]

Ben Simmons is available for not much. I think he stinks, but I bet Tommy sees him as a “big swing”.

I’m enjoying PHX and ATL, they built the right way, had faith in Booker and a Young and built wisely around them.

How does Simmons stink? His jumper is non-existent, but he's the same size of Daniel Gafford, can guard 1-5, is a great passer, defensive POY candidate. You give Simmons shooting and he can be a very effective player.

Absolutely!

I really don't understand this. You think Morey is going to trade Simmons for bottlecaps, b/c they lost to Atlanta? You're dreaming.

[DCZards]

One thing thing for sure...Simmons value has never been lower.

I was totally against trading Beal for Simmons when it was being proposed on this board a year plus ago because a Wall-Simmons backcourt would have been a train wreck. I’m even more convinced of that now.

I might consider a Russ-Simmons trade. But you’d still need to build a team around Beal-Simmons that was heavy on good perimeter shooting.

Ben has some exemplary skills, especially as a passer, rebounder and defender...but he is deeply flawed on the offensive end.

Things only get worse when teams game plan to put Simmons on the FT line.

[prime1time]

Ben Simmons is available for not much. I think he stinks, but I bet Tommy sees him as a “big swing”.

I’m enjoying PHX and ATL, they built the right way, had faith in Booker and a Young and built wisely around them.

How does Simmons stink? His jumper is non-existent, but he's the same size of Daniel Gafford, can guard 1-5, is a great passer, defensive POY candidate. You give Simmons shooting and he can be a very effective player.

Simmons had Embiid and a roster full of shooters and he still couldn’t help his team beat a 5th seed at home in game 7 in the conference semis. Simmons is not an awful player in theory but he’s basically a worse shooting Draymond Green without having the added benefit of having Steph Curry, and to a lesser extent Klay Thompson, to play with. And he makes max money so you and everyone else around here that wants him are high.die I mention he has an ego and dates the likes of the Kardashians. Red **** alert on bad judgement.

This is typical hyperbole. When a team loses fans need someone to scapegoat. Yes Simmons has shooting around him, but the truth is that he cannot co-exist with Embiid. There will always be tension. All of the other stuff you wrote has nothing to actually do with the topic at hand. Simmons needs a center like Brook Lopez and he needs to improve his shooting. He doesn't have to become an average shooter, he just can't be an abject disaster. The contract is tough but I'd take a chance on him. They are only so many elite talented players in the NBA. If he's on the block I trade for him and then try to turn him around. Beal/Simmons is a good starting point.

[thricethefun]

If Tommy can swing a Russ for Simmons trade we need to build a statue in his honor outside of verizon center. You do that trade 10 times out of 10.

[DCZards]

This is typical hyperbole. When a team loses fans need someone to scapegoat. Yes Simmons has shooting around him, but the truth is that he cannot co-exist with Embiid. There will always be tension. All of the other stuff you wrote has nothing to actually do with the topic at hand. Simmons needs a center like Brook Lopez and he needs to improve his shooting. He doesn't have to become an average shooter, he just can't be an abject disaster. The contract is tough but I'd take a chance on him. They are only so many elite talented players in the NBA. If he's on the block I trade for him and then try to turn him around. Beal/Simmons is a good starting point.

Ben not being able to co-exist with Embiid has been the narrative but I'm no longer buying it. It's deeper than that and it goes to Simmons shortcomings as a shooter and has less and less to do with Embiid's presence on the court.

We've been saying for years that Ben "needs to improve his shooting." And from what I've read and seen he works hard during the offseason to do just that. But I'm beginning to believe that Ben's shooting is never going to get much better...which at this point is downright awful. I hope I'm wrong because I like Ben.

Ben's shooting seems to not have improved one iota during his 4 plus years in the NBA. In fact, he's totally stopped trying to shoot outside of 4-5 feet of the basket. That's a problem...a big problem.

[queridiculo]

This is typical hyperbole. When a team loses fans need someone to scapegoat. Yes Simmons has shooting around him, but the truth is that he cannot co-exist with Embiid. There will always be tension. All of the other stuff you wrote has nothing to actually do with the topic at hand. Simmons needs a center like Brook Lopez and he needs to improve his shooting. He doesn't have to become an average shooter, he just can't be an abject disaster. The contract is tough but I'd take a chance on him. They are only so many elite talented players in the NBA. If he's on the block I trade for him and then try to turn him around. Beal/Simmons is a good starting point.

Ben not being able to co-exist with Embiid has been the narrative but I'm no longer buying it. It's deeper than that and it goes to Simmons shortcomings as a shooter and has less and less to do with Embiid's presence on the court.

We've been saying for years that Ben "needs to improve his shooting." And from what I've read and seen he works hard during the offseason to do just that. But I'm beginning to believe that Ben's shooting is never going to get much better...which at this point is downright awful. I hope I'm wrong because I like Ben.

Ben's shooting seems to not have improved one iota during his 4 plus years in the NBA. In fact, he's totally stopped trying to shoot outside of 4-5 feet of the basket. That's a problem...a big problem.

This has been my point all along when people talked about Simmons value vis a vis Beal.

You can't just ignore Simmons limitations and pretend project that his jumper is going come around eventually.

Beal is a far more valuable player.

At the end of the day getting stops is overrated. You have to be able to dig down and get buckets when the grind is on and you're not going to get away with consistently playing 4 on 5 on one end of the floor.

Simmons might be that dude one day, but you have to essentially build around him like he's non-floor spacing big and round out the roster with shooters.

Even then, it's not like he's got the elite ball handling to just run the offense as a PG in sets, can you really be successful with a player that's so limited offensively?

I have my doubts, and I'd categorically reject an even swap for Beal on the basis that this is a bailout move for the 76ers.

I'd want picks and I'd want Maxey and I might make the 76ers eat Bertans contract too.

[queridiculo]

A trade proposed on the Trade Board:

Washington trades: Beal, Bertans, Hutchison
Philly trades: Simmons, Thybulle, Hill, #28, 2023 1st, pick swaps in 2022 and 2024....

There is zero chance of Philly doing that.

No one would give a R1 pick for Bertans at this point, & Hutchison has virtually no value. OTOH, Thybulle is quite valuable -- one of the very best players out of the '19 draft.

The Sixers are run by Daryl Morey. He's not a fool.

Edit: not necessarily suggesting we trade for Simmons, but the above is plain ridiculous.

So, are we going to pretend the Chris Paul and Westbrook trades never happened?

Embiid has perhaps three years left playing on this level before his consistent lower leg issues are going to slow him down.

The 76ers have zero leverage given their current contract structure and you can't just run it back and expect a different result.

Morey is no fool, you are right, he left a sinking ship pretty quickly in Houston and he wasn't brought in to build a franchise.

He was added to deliver a championship and 76ers ownership has proven itself a fickle bunch.

I am sure he understands as well as everybody else that there's no time to wait for Simmons to come around, the championship window for that team is now.

[deneem4]

Russ to Lakers
Simmons to wizards
Filler to sixers?

[prime1time]

This is typical hyperbole. When a team loses fans need someone to scapegoat. Yes Simmons has shooting around him, but the truth is that he cannot co-exist with Embiid. There will always be tension. All of the other stuff you wrote has nothing to actually do with the topic at hand. Simmons needs a center like Brook Lopez and he needs to improve his shooting. He doesn't have to become an average shooter, he just can't be an abject disaster. The contract is tough but I'd take a chance on him. They are only so many elite talented players in the NBA. If he's on the block I trade for him and then try to turn him around. Beal/Simmons is a good starting point.

Ben not being able to co-exist with Embiid has been the narrative but I'm no longer buying it. It's deeper than that and it goes to Simmons shortcomings as a shooter and has less and less to do with Embiid's presence on the court.

We've been saying for years that Ben "needs to improve his shooting." And from what I've read and seen he works hard during the offseason to do just that. But I'm beginning to believe that Ben's shooting is never going to get much better...which at this point is downright awful. I hope I'm wrong because I like Ben.

Ben's shooting seems to not have improved one iota during his 4 plus years in the NBA. In fact, he's totally stopped trying to shoot outside of 4-5 feet of the basket. That's a problem...a big problem.

It really isn't. Just have Ben guard the 5. Just funny how the narrative gets created. Dude just shut down Trae Young, he caused him to go 5/23. He had 13 assists and 8 rebounds. The shooting is bad but he has 4 seasons of being a 60 % guy. He needs a new location. In the NBA you do not get opportunities to trade for elite players. Right now Simmons' value is at it's lowest it will ever be. Bring him in and you try to work the problems out.