Eliminated: Philadelphia is out, knee-jerk trades & solutions (Credit to Foshan)

Post #1 » by **bondom34** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:47 am

Also could be titled: Ben Simmons megathread

JRoy · Post #2 » by **JRoy** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:47 am

My body is ready.

Post #3 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:47 am

bondom34 wrote:Also could be titled: Ben Simmons megathread

This is why you no longer work here. 8-)

wackbone · Post #4 » by **wackbone** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:48 am

I'm not sure how much of it was on Philly's end, but in hindsight not doing the Simmons for Harden swap is going to haunt them. He's completely useless on offense in crunchtime, and is getting paid the max.

Is Simmons the singular player who's value has decreased the most in these playoffs?

meekrab · Post #5 » by **meekrab** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:49 am

Put Simmons in the G-league until he learns to shoot.

meekrab · Post #6 » by **meekrab** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:50 am

wackbone wrote:I'm not sure how much of it was on Philly's end, but in hindsight not doing the Simmons for Harden swap is going to haunt them.

That swap was never available simply because Frittata didn't want to pick up the phone and talk with Morey.

LightTheBeam · Post #7 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:54 am

If Ben simmons still has perceived superstar value I'm trading him before next season starts (I don't think he does).

I'm betting this is the year Embid asks out. I'm not sure who can put the best value package together.

Gs comes to mind with Wiggins + Wiseman + wolves pick + 3 of their own 1st and some swaps.

Okc could probably package #4, with 10 other 1sts.

If I'm sac I offer Hali, #9, + multiple future 1st

I'm not sure whose going to get the top bid, but I'm thinking that's what's going to happen.

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Post #8 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:57 am

Locked this so we can start over. Bondom was right that this thread is going to be almost all about Ben Simmons because well it just is.

But we are not re-hashing Harden unless you can make a compelling case why the Nets would trade him to Philly and you cannot make that case so do not bother.

We are not making Ben Simmons, G League jokes. This isn't a serious suggestion so its baiting and trolling.

These threads come right after a team is eliminated and are not intended for your lame Ben Simmons jokes that serve only to inflame. If you wish to engage in that sort of thing, no judgmen,t we just ask that you take it to the General Board where your hot takes and tired jokes are always welcome and you will have lots of company.

Thanks for your support. This is a friendly warning to all, not meant to pick on the guys going down those paths, but I'm just nipping it in the bud.

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:59 am

Doc is already crapping on Simmons in the post game presser.

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Colbinii · Post #10 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:59 am

Ben Simmons value has plummeted in the past 2 weeks, and here is why:

He proved he cannot stay on the court in crunch time in a playoff game. This means Ben Simmons is not the final piece for a Championship team. Ben Simmons isn't going to put teams like Portland, Indiana, New York, ect over the top or turn them into contenders (I listed teams who left the post-season in the 1st round).

So, who exactly wants Ben Simmons? Teams like Minnesota and other teams who are interesting in making the playoffs--but what exactly can a player who simply helps you get into the playoffs and then is a liability worth? Certainly not a top draft pick, especially not in this draft. Even recent picks who have star or superstar potential--Edwards, Ball and even Haliburton are off limits.

Is a team picking 4-7 really going to want to move that for Simmons? I doubt it, and Philly needs to get an impactful player back--but who is trading a player who is better in the post-season for Ben Simmons? Why would a team actually give up a player who could be of great value in the post-season when they are receiving a player back (Ben Simmons, in this example) who is helping them get the post-season? Its a catch-22; nobody is doing that.

Knee-Jerk reaction? Of course, but it seems logical to me.

Colbinii · Post #11 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:00 am

Texas Chuck wrote: Locked this so we can start over. Bondom was right that this thread is going to be almost all about Ben Simmons because well it just is.

But we are not re-hashing Harden unless you can make a compelling case why the Nets would trade him to Philly and you cannot make that case so do not bother.

We are not making Ben Simmons, G League jokes. This isn't a serious suggestion so its baiting and trolling.

These threads come right after a team is eliminated and are not intended for your lame Ben Simmons jokes that serve only to inflame. If you wish to engage in that sort of thing, no judgmen,t we just ask that you take it to the General Board where your hot takes and tired jokes are always welcome and you will have lots of company.

Thanks for your support. This is a friendly warning to all, not meant to pick on the guys going down those paths, but I'm just nipping it in the bud.

Thanks for this. We should be able to have mature and in-deptch discussions about Ben Simmons without corny one-liners.

amcoolio · Post #12 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:00 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:If Ben simmons still has perceived superstar value I'm trading him before next season starts (I don't think he does).

I'm betting this is the year Embid asks out. I'm not sure who can put the best value package together.

Gs comes to mind with Wiggins + Wiseman + wolves pick + 3 of their own 1st and some swaps.

Okc could probably package #4, with 10 other 1sts.

If I'm sac I offer Hali, #9, + multiple future 1st

I'm not sure whose going to get the top bid, but I'm thinking that's what's going to happen.

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Yeah, I don't think any of those things are going to happen. Philly has no leverage here.

I think a straight CJ for Ben swap is more likely.

draftbarnes · Post #13 » by **draftbarnes** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:00 am

Basically simmons needs to go

They blew it not trading him for harden

I'm not sure how much his value is currently is. Its hard to have. Aguy out there who can't shoot and won't even look to score as a guard/forward

Roger Murdock · Post #14 » by **Roger Murdock** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:01 am

Ben Simmons for CJ McCollum

Simple and sweet.

Roy The Natural · Post #15 » by **Roy The Natural** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:02 am

I still think the CJ/Simmons swap is the obvious move to make for both teams. Simmons is more talented, and maybe more "valuable" than CJ. But this is a lot like when Richardson was moved for Curry. It would just make Philly better, probably a lot better.

I'm a Portland fan. I honestly, don't know if Simmons would work in Portland. There's some red flags with him and Nurkic being on the floor together. However, Portland is in the mode where they need to take a swing at a good return for CJ to balance the roster out. Simmons will likely display all the issues he has to this point in Philly in Portland as well. I'd just say... if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

I still think CJ/RoCo for Simmons+requisite salary is a good, solid foundation for a trade.

Post #16 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:02 am

Colbinii wrote:[

Thanks for this. We should be able to have mature and in-deptch discussions about Ben Simmons without corny one-liners.

Oh I have faith in this board and I don't think the guys who made the jokes meant harm, but I know how it can snowball.

And I want to be clear I'm not saying people cannot have harsh takes on Philly or Simmons if they are sticking to substance. We have torn apart other teams and players and Simmons is not immune to criticism.

But not nonsense.

draftbarnes · Post #17 » by **draftbarnes** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:02 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Ben Simmons for CJ McCollum

Simple and sweet.

Yeah this seems like the best deal out there

DowJones · Post #18 » by **DowJones** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:04 am

Simmons to Cleveland for Sexton/Prince/Osman.

LightTheBeam · Post #19 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:05 am

Why would Portland trade CJ for Simmons? I just don't see the rational. Simmons wouldn't be able to have the ball in his hands with Lillard on the court.

Maybe a follow up trade of Nurkic. Then committing to running with Simmons/Covington as the bigs? Or a 3 way trade with Simmons heading elsewhere? He just seems like a poor fit with lillard.

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Roy The Natural · Post #20 » by **Roy The Natural** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:05 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Ben Simmons for CJ McCollum

Simple and sweet.

Agreed. I view it like the Richardson for Curry deal. Richardson was considered a better player in a vacuum... but Philly needs to get a better fit. They could try for a guy like Beal, but does Philly want to be gutting their young core adding on to Simmons for something like that?

With Portland you could probably build around a CJ/RoCo for Simmons/George Hill. That is WAY better on the roster front for Philly, and they keep all their young talented pieces and their depth.