Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

[Devilanche]

The Thunder are more likely to stay under the cap this year due to having to go 2 consecutive years w/o going over the luxury tax. Doing this will allow all repeater penalties to reset. Next year's cap is going to be around $112,414,000 and assuming the picks stay where they are(lotto gods are cruel so don't be surprised if OKC stays at 5th and Houston keeps the pick), the Thunder will be under $80M with their 1sts and 2nds if they all come at once. They'll have at least $30M minimum in cap space they can use at their disposal to either absorb bad salaries in order to move up in the draft or initiate other plays.

Isn’t it stay under the luxury tax to reset the luxury tax repeater tax ? Not staying under the cap ?

[Devilanche]

I think it was Down to Dunk that said what Presti is doing is like a pyramid scheme. Eventually the money will run and we won’t be able to keep swapping assets out but it won’t matter because we’ve already made our money.

That’s ok . Money is supposed to run out cause we can’t keep absorbing bad contracts forever . We eventually would need to pay our draft picks that performed.

The pyramid will continue for another season I believe.

[Devilanche]

Nothing would surprise me but I’m not sure where he goes until he proves he’s somewhat healthy. I think it was Down to Dunk that said what Presti is doing is like a pyramid scheme. Eventually the money will run and we won’t be able to keep swapping assets out but it won’t matter because we’ve already made our money.

Gosh, it feels like both the bulls and mavs would both be interested. The lakers too, but I don’t know how it would work salary-wise. Maybe NO for Bledsoe and a pick or two? Feels like there are a few options.

Bledsoe and Kemba are so far apart on salary, I’m not sure how it works. I don’t see a way for LAL to match salary since Denis was an expiring. Lots of stuff becomes possible with a third team. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just not sure how it works at this point.

Bledsoe + adams and kemba + Roby are close.
With the added advantage that Bledsoe buyout next season is minimal.

[Devilanche]

A deal around Bledsoe and Zion works

Seriously speaking, I kind of hope Kemba starts next season in OKC because I don't want Porzingis. Also not interested in any garbage package the Lakers may send us. Maybe something around Markknan in some S & T with another salary coming...not sure i like this idea though

Bulls have up to 34m in expiring salary if they so wish to just get kemba for expiring .

Thad , satoransky and aminu . Only aminu have no value there and the other 2 could probably net some seconds in return for other expiring.

[slicedbread2]

The Thunder are more likely to stay under the cap this year due to having to go 2 consecutive years w/o going over the luxury tax. Doing this will allow all repeater penalties to reset. Next year's cap is going to be around $112,414,000 and assuming the picks stay where they are(lotto gods are cruel so don't be surprised if OKC stays at 5th and Houston keeps the pick), the Thunder will be under $80M with their 1sts and 2nds if they all come at once. They'll have at least $30M minimum in cap space they can use at their disposal to either absorb bad salaries in order to move up in the draft or initiate other plays.

Isn’t it stay under the luxury tax to reset the luxury tax repeater tax ? Not staying under the cap ?

My mistake. Meant under the tax. OKC is most likely to use their cap space as an asset to take advantage of teams desperate for cap relief whenever necessary.

[Almost Retired]

Bulls fan here (for now.) I love the way your team is positioned for the next 4 or 5 years with all the Draft assets. What do you think the Thunder would want from Chicago for the rights to Micic? I think he'd be a deep bench contributor on your Team at best... with SAG, Dort, Jerome, Meledon, Kemba and your Draft choices. Whereas the Bulls desperately need guard help with Coby White injured for 4-6 months. What would it take?

[Dadouv47]

Bulls fan here (for now.) I love the way your team is positioned for the next 4 or 5 years with all the Draft assets. What do you think the Thunder would want from Chicago for the rights to Micic? I think he'd be a deep bench contributor on your Team at best... with SAG, Dort, Jerome, Meledon, Kemba and your Draft choices. Whereas the Bulls desperately need guard help with Coby White injured for 4-6 months. What would it take?

I would love to give Micic some playing time before trading him but it's pretty clear that he will decide where he's willing to play so I guess if he really wants a trade we won't get much for him...I would assume an early second round pick would be enough...

[retrobro90]

Where we at on Ben Simmons? Personally Im a big fan of buying him for pennies on the dollar if that's available. I trust the nurturing OKC culture to mend his fragile spirit and shield him away from the mountainous pile of scrutiny laid on by the philly fans/media. Also he's very talented still and could be great as a weakside/shortroll creator. Would probably have to be a 3 team deal with a 3rd team sending Philly the win-now pieces to get it done.

[Devilanche]

Where we at on Ben Simmons? Personally Im a big fan of buying him for pennies on the dollar if that's available. I trust the nurturing OKC culture to mend his fragile spirit and shield him away from the mountainous pile of scrutiny laid on by the philly fans/media. Also he's very talented still and could be great as a weakside/shortroll creator. Would probably have to be a 3 team deal with a 3rd team sending Philly the win-now pieces to get it done.

So long as we make room for a shooting coach and a psychologist

[Dn4sty]

Where we at on Ben Simmons? Personally Im a big fan of buying him for pennies on the dollar if that's available. I trust the nurturing OKC culture to mend his fragile spirit and shield him away from the mountainous pile of scrutiny laid on by the philly fans/media. Also he's very talented still and could be great as a weakside/shortroll creator. Would probably have to be a 3 team deal with a 3rd team sending Philly the win-now pieces to get it done.

So long as we make room for a shooting coach and a psychologist

Would OKC just straight absorb his contract? I doubt that Philly wants Kemba. And in this scenario OKC would need to send assets to a 3rd team and have that team send something win now to Philly. That’s kinda of a hard undertaking to see a deal materialize

Basically the framework is

OKC gets Simmons
Philly gets win now stuff
3rd team gets assets

[Devilanche]

Where we at on Ben Simmons? Personally Im a big fan of buying him for pennies on the dollar if that's available. I trust the nurturing OKC culture to mend his fragile spirit and shield him away from the mountainous pile of scrutiny laid on by the philly fans/media. Also he's very talented still and could be great as a weakside/shortroll creator. Would probably have to be a 3 team deal with a 3rd team sending Philly the win-now pieces to get it done.

So long as we make room for a shooting coach and a psychologist

Would OKC just straight absorb his contract? I doubt that Philly wants Kemba. And in this scenario OKC would need to send assets to a 3rd team and have that team send something win now to Philly. That’s kinda of a hard undertaking to see a deal materialize

Basically the framework is

OKC gets Simmons
Philly gets win now stuff
3rd team gets assets

I’m not doing a deal without kemba moving out.

Simmons have a high risk high reward but if he nvr shoot 50% on ft anymore nor attempt more than 5 FGA a game my team is never making it out of the second round so long as he’s around.

Edit : I’m aware how ridiculous I sound talking about a deal build around kemba for Simmons.

[Dadouv47]

Yeah I was going to post that I'm also willing to trade for Ben Simmons if he's that cheap. I'm not sure Philly is going to trade him for such a low price though but still like the value of a young star on a all time low value. Don't really like the fit with SGA but Simmons is still young and can improve offensively.

If he doesn't cost more than 2-3 average FRPs and some neutral salaries in exchange, we can trade for him and get good shooters/a decent big to build a nice team.

[Old Man Game]

Simmons has had every opportunity to work and improve his offensive skills and to this point hasn't done it. Not saying it's impossible but I wouldn't necessarily expect a big transformation at this point either.

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[Dadouv47]

Simmons has had every opportunity to work and improve his offensive skills and to this point hasn't done it. Not saying it's impossible but I wouldn't necessarily expect a big transformation at this point either.

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Me neither but I think Ben Simmons is mentally struggling with this and could still improve a lot. Presti is mastering the art of buying low and selling high and Simmons can still be an elite player, reason why I think it may be worth trading for him (depending on the asking price).

[Devilanche]

Yeah I was going to post that I'm also willing to trade for Ben Simmons if he's that cheap. I'm not sure Philly is going to trade him for such a low price though but still like the value of a young star on a all time low value. Don't really like the fit with SGA but Simmons is still young and can improve offensively.

If he doesn't cost more than 2-3 average FRPs and some neutral salaries in exchange, we can trade for him and get good shooters/a decent big to build a nice team.

I’m willing to trade pick 6-8 for him plus 2-3 average FRPs but it doesn’t fit phillys direction nor is my filler neutral.

[cjmcallist]

I'm in on Simmons.

I think his sub-par performance has been mostly a result of playing with Embiid + Docs coaching. Doc has never developed players well, and case-in-point is Simmons. Doc just let him do his thing, never put him in a position to succeed.

I also think we could keep Walker if we brought in Simmons. Can you imagine a SGA pnr with Simmons screening, Walker, Dort, Poku, on the wings? Killer.

If we get Green or Cuningham, I'd be far more likely to do it than otherwise.

[jake_swivel]

I’d be super annoyed if Houston’s pick didn’t convey and Presti traded our pick for Ben Simmons.

He’s likely shooting with the wrong damn arm and I don’t want to be the team experimenting with teaching someone how to switch arms and developing an nba level jumper with that arm.

Don’t kid yourself on the Doc stuff. They’ve been wanting him to shoot every year he’s been in the league and he refuses to do it. Even their past coaching staff publicly stated they wanted him shooting and he just wouldn’t. To take four shots in a game 7 has nothing to do with how he’s used. That’s just some weird ass decision making. Seems like a head case. The philly forum has as many references to him needing a psychiatrist as this forum had references to needing shooting during the Westbrook era. No thanks.

[mr570]

I'm in on Simmons.

I think his sub-par performance has been mostly a result of playing with Embiid + Docs coaching. Doc has never developed players well, and case-in-point is Simmons. Doc just let him do his thing, never put him in a position to succeed.

I also think we could keep Walker if we brought in Simmons. Can you imagine a SGA pnr with Simmons screening, Walker, Dort, Poku, on the wings? Killer.

If we get Green or Cuningham, I'd be far more likely to do it than otherwise.

Who is Walker?

[Old Man Game]

I'm in on Simmons.

I think his sub-par performance has been mostly a result of playing with Embiid + Docs coaching. Doc has never developed players well, and case-in-point is Simmons. Doc just let him do his thing, never put him in a position to succeed.

I also think we could keep Walker if we brought in Simmons. Can you imagine a SGA pnr with Simmons screening, Walker, Dort, Poku, on the wings? Killer.

If we get Green or Cuningham, I'd be far more likely to do it than otherwise.

Who is Walker?

Recently acquired "Thunder star" PG Kemba Walker, of course.

[mr570]

I'm in on Simmons.

I think his sub-par performance has been mostly a result of playing with Embiid + Docs coaching. Doc has never developed players well, and case-in-point is Simmons. Doc just let him do his thing, never put him in a position to succeed.

I also think we could keep Walker if we brought in Simmons. Can you imagine a SGA pnr with Simmons screening, Walker, Dort, Poku, on the wings? Killer.

If we get Green or Cuningham, I'd be far more likely to do it than otherwise.

Who is Walker?

Recently acquired "Thunder star" PG Kemba Walker, of course.

D'oh!