Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[Mike lorenzo]

I'm with Arkuo ... Simons would be perfect .. it fits very well with KP on the front track .. To be our 5 in attack, crazy athletics..He is strong and fast, he would be great catching balloons / Cutting for Luka and being an elite 2 handler..In defense KP is in charge of protecting the rim and Simons from the best rival player

[JD45]

I always respect players like Simmons who can contribute in many ways. But that shooting and scoring is like Dennis Rodman. I can't think of a good way to make use of him very well on the Mavs. It would be the Powell role (although obviously much better). Can that justify the cap space and assets to get him? Maybe it can. It will depend on the coach they get. Seems high risk.

[arkuo]

I always respect players like Simmons who can contribute in many ways. But that shooting and scoring is like Dennis Rodman. I can't think of a good way to make use of him very well on the Mavs. It would be the Powell role (although obviously much better). Can that justify the cap space and assets to get him? Maybe it can. It will depend on the coach they get. Seems high risk.

It's a gamble for sure. The pluses he brings are his All-NBA defense, plus he adds another facet to the Mavs offense which is running the one man fast break. That's one part Dallas has been missing for years because we just like half court sets so much ever since Dirk and now Luka setting plays at their own pace. Ben does a lot of things in transition both offense and defense. Ben's lack of shooting doesn't rock the Mavs' offense too much. Luka and KP will take most of the shots. Heck, even KP is complaining about lack of shots. Ben will feel right at home having no requirement to score in the 20s. Luka will score 45 by himself.

Now Im not saying we have assets to get him, but if he is offered to Dallas, you dont think twice. Take anyone outside of Luka or KP. There is literally no one in free agency this year or next year that will sign with the Mavs who is All-NBA 1st team defense. Absolutely no one. And for a conference that has Lebron, Kawhi, Booker, Mitchell, to have an elite defender is an absolute must to go deep into the playoffs. The DFS-Kleber tandem on defense allows Kawhi and PG career numbers. Dallas is not scaring anyone on D. So if you can get one of those, I think its well worth the risk.

Think James Worthy to Magic Johnson. Dallas has the Magic Johnson in Luka already.

[JJP]

You absolutely don't get Simmons.

You have a 40m contract on a player who can't shoot ... and is now a player with a head problem that you have to fix. Why is that a good investment for a new GM? Simmons is the 12th highest paid player in the NBA and is now afraid to dunk the ball.

If he can't score, he's not in anyone's starting lineup. Period. Everyone in the world got to see what a problem he is for a playoff team. Luca won't pass him the ball, so the only time he'll touch it on this team is when he takes side out. The only way he's a good investment is if a coach gets his head straight and learns to hit a jump shot. He's been in the league how long? We're going to just assume that's going to happen for a 40 m contract that ends in 2025?

[arkuo]

You absolutely don't get Simmons.

You have a 40m contract on a player who can't shoot ... and is now a player with a head problem that you have to fix. Why is that a good investment for a new GM? Simmons is the 12th highest paid player in the NBA and is now afraid to dunk the ball.

If he can't score, he's not in anyone's starting lineup. Period. Everyone in the world got to see what a problem he is for a playoff team. Luca won't pass him the ball, so the only time he'll touch it on this team is when he takes side out. The only way he's a good investment is if a coach gets his head straight and learns to hit a jump shot. He's been in the league how long? We're going to just assume that's going to happen for a 40 m contract that ends in 2025?

In a perfect world, sure. But looking at the other options for the Mavs right now, no all star lining up to sign with Dallas, no All-NBA defensive upgrade on any position. You're pretty much risking going into the next season with the same team if you can't find takers for THJ. Doing the same thing 3 years in a row and expecting different results is not ideal.

In a perfect world where you get easy pickings for free agents and the cream of the crop of the league's best defenders? Sure. But if you're Dallas, who's owner is a pain in the a$$, not quite. This ain't south beach. IMO you get a shot at talent, you take it. Because the other options aren't quite good. Heck even Jae Crowder prefers to play with Sarver than Cuban. He had PHX and Dallas as his choices. Cuban was supposed to pay a washed out Danny Green $15M per, and he still won't come here; twice. Kemba Walker was handed a blank check and said no. Who are we saving the money for again? Might help if we send him a google calendar appointment, lest he forgets his trip to Dallas. Because the NBA's elite have other things in mind than to play for Cuban, especially right now with no GM and no coach.

Dallas' next best realistic option right now is overpay for Richaun Holmes. Even that isn't a sure thing. The other side of the coin is Holmes' willingness to come to Dallas. C'mon man, this is a real life sitcom here.

[JJP]

We don't take Simmons In ANY world.

Stick with the R. Holmes scenario. At this point, Cuban will likely have to over-pay (nothing unusual there) for FAs, but he has no choice now. He failed to upgrade last season, and he has to go all out this season.

[arkuo]

We don't take Simmons In ANY world.

Stick with the R. Holmes scenario. At this point, Cuban will likely have to over-pay (nothing unusual there) for FAs, but he has no choice now. He failed to upgrade last season, and he has to go all out this season.

Agreed. There is pressure on him to start spending on the team again. He and Donnie have been living off one year deals peddling "Plan Powder" to the fans for a decade now. Without Donnie taking the heat for him, he has to come forward and actually start spending again.

Although personally I do not think that is enough.

C- KP / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- DFS / Green
SG- THJ / Burke
PG- Doncic / Brunson

That is essentially your team until 2024. I do not think its enough to get far in the West. Once you lock in THJ for 4 years and with Luka signing his max, that's essentially your team moving forward. And Holmes' isnt shooting 3s any more than Simmons would.

[dirkforpres]

I think buying the dip on Simmons is a great idea. Similar to when Fultz got traded and took off in Orlando, I think Simmons just probably needs a change of scenery at this point… Philadelphia might just not be the best place to develop a young player… Fultz, Simmons, Okafor, Carter-Williams, Noel, Fultz, Embiid, Saric, etc… All extremely high picks and only one of those really worked out for them.

If the Mavericks could turn Deandre Jordan into a decent free throw shooter, they could do it with Ben as well… But I’d understand any hesitation from a new GM in Dallas… Simmons looked pretty shaken

[JJP]

On another subject... our rookies are still pretty much rookies. They haven't played enough.

So a new GM and coach is a good thing for them. I still consider Green a possible rotation player. In a dream world, maybe he's M. Thybulle with a slightly better 3-point shot. That's not likely, but this year we should know.

Tyrell Terry still has potential - and from all the videos I've seen lately - is committed to breaking into the rotation somehow. He has a skill few possess, so I'm fairly high on him even though he's missed a lot of time. If some coach gives him some playing time, I think he might surprise people.

Tyler Bey and Hinton probably need to play in G league again, but they still have the potential for rotation players.

Of all these players, only Green seems to be a draft mis-step given his draft slot. That doesn't mean we won't see results though.

[JJP]

I think buying the dip on Simmons is a great idea. Similar to when Fultz got traded and took off in Orlando, I think Simmons just probably needs a change of scenery at this point. If the Mavericks could turn Deandre Jordan into a decent free throw shooter, they could do it with Ben as well.

The Mavs couldn't turn Jordan into a shooter beyond 6 feet or get him to defend a wing on the perimeter. Three coaches have not been able to get Simmons to shoot an outside shot.

Fultz could stick in Orlando because he's the dominant guard in a back-court. Simmons wouldn't be that here, and he's not a shooting guard.

You can't stick Simmons in the Mavs lineup next to Luca and expect him to do anything with the ball except pass it back to Luca.

[arkuo]

I think buying the dip on Simmons is a great idea. Similar to when Fultz got traded and took off in Orlando, I think Simmons just probably needs a change of scenery at this point. If the Mavericks could turn Deandre Jordan into a decent free throw shooter, they could do it with Ben as well.

I think the toxicity of the playoffs and getting booed on his own floor doesn't help his mental makeup at all. the dude probably checked out of Philly for good. If you can buy low on Simmons, I think you take it. The rest of those names that are 6'10 and above who can complement KP and Luka right now isn't long and definitely not impressive.

The idea is sell Morey on adding more shooting to his lineup seeing how Seth Curry helped them. So any Simmons trade has to start with THJ in there, Brunson too. He's a Rodrigue Beabois waiting to happen. Then one of Powell or Kleber. Then add one first rounder, and probably a 1st round pick swap too.

THJ vacating should mean more shots for KP. So your SG has to be a scarppy type like an Alex Caruso or a Goran Dragic (if Miami declines his option). SIgn Kris Dunn as a defensive backup PG.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF- Simmons / Kleber
SF- DFS / Green
SG- Dragic / Caruso
PG- Doncic / Dunn

[JD45]

It's a gamble for sure. The pluses he brings are his All-NBA defense, plus he adds another facet to the Mavs offense which is running the one man fast break. That's one part Dallas has been missing for years because we just like half court sets so much ever since Dirk and now Luka setting plays at their own pace. Ben does a lot of things in transition both offense and defense. Ben's lack of shooting doesn't rock the Mavs' offense too much. Luka and KP will take most of the shots. Heck, even KP is complaining about lack of shots. Ben will feel right at home having no requirement to score in the 20s. Luka will score 45 by himself.

Now Im not saying we have assets to get him, but if he is offered to Dallas, you dont think twice. Take anyone outside of Luka or KP. There is literally no one in free agency this year or next year that will sign with the Mavs who is All-NBA 1st team defense. Absolutely no one. And for a conference that has Lebron, Kawhi, Booker, Mitchell, to have an elite defender is an absolute must to go deep into the playoffs. The DFS-Kleber tandem on defense allows Kawhi and PG career numbers. Dallas is not scaring anyone on D. So if you can get one of those, I think its well worth the risk.

Think James Worthy to Magic Johnson. Dallas has the Magic Johnson in Luka already.

You are probably right. With Luka and KP for scoring, and Simmons as the Dennis Rodman dirty work guy, it could be special. Simmons could get KP the ball in the right spots. Would be no letup in ball handling when Luka was off the court.

I wouldn't give up KP for him, as they would need that shooting and scoring in a Simmons lineup. But everything else other than Luka would be on the table. Still high risk and I would want to make sure the coach was completely on board with the idea and had a plan to make them all work together.

[arkuo]

It's a gamble for sure. The pluses he brings are his All-NBA defense, plus he adds another facet to the Mavs offense which is running the one man fast break. That's one part Dallas has been missing for years because we just like half court sets so much ever since Dirk and now Luka setting plays at their own pace. Ben does a lot of things in transition both offense and defense. Ben's lack of shooting doesn't rock the Mavs' offense too much. Luka and KP will take most of the shots. Heck, even KP is complaining about lack of shots. Ben will feel right at home having no requirement to score in the 20s. Luka will score 45 by himself.

Now Im not saying we have assets to get him, but if he is offered to Dallas, you dont think twice. Take anyone outside of Luka or KP. There is literally no one in free agency this year or next year that will sign with the Mavs who is All-NBA 1st team defense. Absolutely no one. And for a conference that has Lebron, Kawhi, Booker, Mitchell, to have an elite defender is an absolute must to go deep into the playoffs. The DFS-Kleber tandem on defense allows Kawhi and PG career numbers. Dallas is not scaring anyone on D. So if you can get one of those, I think its well worth the risk.

Think James Worthy to Magic Johnson. Dallas has the Magic Johnson in Luka already.

You are probably right. With Luka and KP for scoring, and Simmons as the Dennis Rodman dirty work guy, it could be special. Simmons could get KP the ball in the right spots. Would be no letup in ball handling when Luka was off the court.

I wouldn't give up KP for him, as they would need that shooting and scoring in a Simmons lineup. But everything else other than Luka would be on the table. Still high risk and I would want to make sure the coach was completely on board with the idea and had a plan to make them all work together.

As with anything NBA related, I think any GM would evaluate the risk and see what other options there are. In terms of All NBA defense, there are none available. And the list of guys 6'10 that can help the Mavs arent impressive either. The risk becomes manageable when you see that Luka is 22, Simmons is 24 and KP is 25. It means as a GM, if it doesnt work, you have time to blow it up by their next contract.

With Simmons being 24, that's a lot of time to work with. A lot of mechanics are natural right now. A 6'10 guy who has handles like Luka and can run the break on his own from corner to corner? There's absolutely no one available right now with that combination of skill. Even setting aside the fact that he cant shoot threes. Like I said, he's the same height as Clint Capela, with way more skill.

[JD45]

If a coach could come up with an offensive plan for them, I would love to see a lineup like:

Green
Luka
Simmons
Maxi
KP

Would be a lot of defensive potential and versatility there. Interesting mismatch potential on offense as well if they could work out a scheme to exploit it.

[arkuo]

If a coach could come up with an offensive plan for them, I would love to see a lineup like:

Green
Luka
Simmons
Maxi
KP

Would be a lot of defensive potential and versatility there. Interesting mismatch potential on offense as well if they could work out a scheme to exploit it.

LMAO that's an international starting 5 lineup. 2 Australians, 1 Slovenian, 1 Latvian and 1 German. That's team world right there.

The marketing potential for Cuban though. Selling Mavs merchandise to a whole continent in Australia is interesting.

[agentofatlas]

If a coach could come up with an offensive plan for them, I would love to see a lineup like:

Green
Luka
Simmons
Maxi
KP

Would be a lot of defensive potential and versatility there. Interesting mismatch potential on offense as well if they could work out a scheme to exploit it.

Not enough shot creation or shooting imo.

[JJP]

If the Mavs traded for a player with a 40 million dollar contract ending in 2025, and acquired a skill set didn't include shooting the ball at all...ever. I would literally stop watching the Mavericks. You guys are drunk

If it proved to be a failure, the GM wouldn't last a year. Cuban would literally be mocked into oblivion.

[dirkforpres]

I think buying the dip on Simmons is a great idea. Similar to when Fultz got traded and took off in Orlando, I think Simmons just probably needs a change of scenery at this point. If the Mavericks could turn Deandre Jordan into a decent free throw shooter, they could do it with Ben as well.

The Mavs couldn't turn Jordan into a shooter beyond 6 feet or get him to defend a wing on the perimeter. Three coaches have not been able to get Simmons to shoot an outside shot.

Fultz could stick in Orlando because he's the dominant guard in a back-court. Simmons wouldn't be that here, and he's not a shooting guard.

You can't stick Simmons in the Mavs lineup next to Luca and expect him to do anything with the ball except pass it back to Luca.

I don’t think you have to make Ben a perimeter threat like Curry or anything, but it’s possible that he can at least mimic what Derozan provides on offense with the right coaching… As long as you can find a way to turn him into even a 70% free throw shooter, then the trade would be an overwhelming success for Dallas. I have way more faith in Simmons turning his career around than I do with Porzingis.

[agentofatlas]

I rather we go the raptors route having solid players 1-8 than gambling on Ben Simmons personally.

[taibumu]

I think buying the dip on Simmons is a great idea. Similar to when Fultz got traded and took off in Orlando, I think Simmons just probably needs a change of scenery at this point. If the Mavericks could turn Deandre Jordan into a decent free throw shooter, they could do it with Ben as well.

The Mavs couldn't turn Jordan into a shooter beyond 6 feet or get him to defend a wing on the perimeter. Three coaches have not been able to get Simmons to shoot an outside shot.

Fultz could stick in Orlando because he's the dominant guard in a back-court. Simmons wouldn't be that here, and he's not a shooting guard.

You can't stick Simmons in the Mavs lineup next to Luca and expect him to do anything with the ball except pass it back to Luca.

I don’t think you have to make Ben a perimeter threat like Curry or anything, but it’s possible that he can at least mimic what Derozan provides on offense with the right coaching… As long as you can find a way to turn him into even a 70% free throw shooter, then the trade would be an overwhelming success for Dallas. I have way more faith in Simmons turning his career around than I do with Porzingis.

You need to take a further look.
Simmons fit perfectly with Doncic. Another big man in the perimeter with great defense and any skill.
Luka is too smart for this NBA contest. Give him any player and the player will be better.
Or do you prefer Richardson next to Luka?

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