Trade Thread 2021-22: To Trade Or Trade Not

[JediMasterRevan]

I swear, if anyone on this board tries to lobby for a Simmons trade, you will be marked as an imbecile FOREVER in the book of LBF

Depends on the price.

IF you can get him without moving Tatum, Smart, Brown, Fournier or Horford you have to take that chance.

Simmons
FOurnier
Brown
Tatum
Horford

That is a very intresting lineup.

Really?

Well, not really, but I think Simmons would need to play with 4 guys who can space the floor. Horford does that, as does Fournier. But they are certainly replaceable.

I would trade both for Simmons in a heart beat if that is all it took. worry about the shooter after the fact.

[Triple7]

I think the lakers do that because
1) Davis wants to play PF, so they need a center who can perform his role in the playoffs. Thompson has won in the past with Lebron, is only a single year contract, and Parker will bring offense to the bench in a similar role of Kuzma. Perhaps they need a little sweetener, but shouldnt need much. imo.

And I did type uop a bit too quick while I was between thoughts and breakfast. It really isnt financially possible as constructed.

Come on man, they would laugh at TT and Parker. They are on a win now mode with father time catching up with Lebron. They didn’t even play Harrell that much in the playoffs, and he is definitely 1000 times better and younger than TT. Parker is end of the bench talent right now. They can definitely find better offers for Kuzma than Parker and TT.

Harrell will be leaving. I am incredibly confident in that.
Also, Kuzma will be traded and not for alot, he already removed Lakers from IG and alot of wierd stuff going on there.

https://lakersdaily.com/kyle-kuzma-removes-lakers-from-his-bio-on-instagram-amidst-rumors-of-potential-trade/

https://lakersdaily.com/lakers-kyle-kuzma-looking-for-bigger-role-elsewhere/

Kuzma value is terrible. 4 year long contract, just came off a TERRIBLE playoffs
29% from floor 17% from 3.

His value for Laker is completely shot.

They have a massive need for bigmen. 1st and foremost. They also need a point guard but they can get one of those easily enough by either resigning Schroeder of nabbing any ring chasing vet off the free agency market.

Kuzma is their ONLY trade piece right now. That is it, and the most glaring hole to fill is front court.

So, IMO, THompson, Parker and a small asset is more than enough for Kuzma

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

[cl2117]

Come on man, they would laugh at TT and Parker. They are on a win now mode with father time catching up with Lebron. They didn’t even play Harrell that much in the playoffs, and he is definitely 1000 times better and younger than TT. Parker is end of the bench talent right now. They can definitely find better offers for Kuzma than Parker and TT.

Harrell will be leaving. I am incredibly confident in that.
Also, Kuzma will be traded and not for alot, he already removed Lakers from IG and alot of wierd stuff going on there.

https://lakersdaily.com/kyle-kuzma-removes-lakers-from-his-bio-on-instagram-amidst-rumors-of-potential-trade/

https://lakersdaily.com/lakers-kyle-kuzma-looking-for-bigger-role-elsewhere/

Kuzma value is terrible. 4 year long contract, just came off a TERRIBLE playoffs
29% from floor 17% from 3.

His value for Laker is completely shot.

They have a massive need for bigmen. 1st and foremost. They also need a point guard but they can get one of those easily enough by either resigning Schroeder of nabbing any ring chasing vet off the free agency market.

Kuzma is their ONLY trade piece right now. That is it, and the most glaring hole to fill is front court.

So, IMO, THompson, Parker and a small asset is more than enough for Kuzma

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

[Triple7]

I don’t like Kuzma, especially when Lakers fans tried their best to compare him with Tatum (epic fail of course), but he is still fairly young, and the talent is there obviously. The Lakers can find a really good player for him i’m sure. They can even do a Simmons and Kuzma swap plus fillers if they wanted to, but i doubt the lakera would want Ben.
Now saying that TT plus Parker is a fair Kuzma deal, is just crazy.

[JediMasterRevan]

Come on man, they would laugh at TT and Parker. They are on a win now mode with father time catching up with Lebron. They didn’t even play Harrell that much in the playoffs, and he is definitely 1000 times better and younger than TT. Parker is end of the bench talent right now. They can definitely find better offers for Kuzma than Parker and TT.

Harrell will be leaving. I am incredibly confident in that.
Also, Kuzma will be traded and not for alot, he already removed Lakers from IG and alot of wierd stuff going on there.

https://lakersdaily.com/kyle-kuzma-removes-lakers-from-his-bio-on-instagram-amidst-rumors-of-potential-trade/

https://lakersdaily.com/lakers-kyle-kuzma-looking-for-bigger-role-elsewhere/

Kuzma value is terrible. 4 year long contract, just came off a TERRIBLE playoffs
29% from floor 17% from 3.

His value for Laker is completely shot.

They have a massive need for bigmen. 1st and foremost. They also need a point guard but they can get one of those easily enough by either resigning Schroeder of nabbing any ring chasing vet off the free agency market.

Kuzma is their ONLY trade piece right now. That is it, and the most glaring hole to fill is front court.

So, IMO, THompson, Parker and a small asset is more than enough for Kuzma

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

Harrell has a player option he is all but guaranteed to exercise

Parker is solely salary filler who can provide some offense for them and is an expiring deal. It can be Grant Williams instead.

Also Thompson is:
1) A championship Center who is close with Lebron and has won WITH lebron
2) An expiring contract.

Lakers/Lebron have to plan for beyond, moves like this keep their payroll incredibly flexible.

[JediMasterRevan]

Harrell will be leaving. I am incredibly confident in that.
Also, Kuzma will be traded and not for alot, he already removed Lakers from IG and alot of wierd stuff going on there.

https://lakersdaily.com/kyle-kuzma-removes-lakers-from-his-bio-on-instagram-amidst-rumors-of-potential-trade/

https://lakersdaily.com/lakers-kyle-kuzma-looking-for-bigger-role-elsewhere/

Kuzma value is terrible. 4 year long contract, just came off a TERRIBLE playoffs
29% from floor 17% from 3.

His value for Laker is completely shot.

They have a massive need for bigmen. 1st and foremost. They also need a point guard but they can get one of those easily enough by either resigning Schroeder of nabbing any ring chasing vet off the free agency market.

Kuzma is their ONLY trade piece right now. That is it, and the most glaring hole to fill is front court.

So, IMO, THompson, Parker and a small asset is more than enough for Kuzma

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

I did have that Celtics would need to add a little something else.

But the relationship there is bad now, imo. And Kuzma looked terrible.

[Triple7]

Harrell will be leaving. I am incredibly confident in that.
Also, Kuzma will be traded and not for alot, he already removed Lakers from IG and alot of wierd stuff going on there.

https://lakersdaily.com/kyle-kuzma-removes-lakers-from-his-bio-on-instagram-amidst-rumors-of-potential-trade/

https://lakersdaily.com/lakers-kyle-kuzma-looking-for-bigger-role-elsewhere/

Kuzma value is terrible. 4 year long contract, just came off a TERRIBLE playoffs
29% from floor 17% from 3.

His value for Laker is completely shot.

They have a massive need for bigmen. 1st and foremost. They also need a point guard but they can get one of those easily enough by either resigning Schroeder of nabbing any ring chasing vet off the free agency market.

Kuzma is their ONLY trade piece right now. That is it, and the most glaring hole to fill is front court.

So, IMO, THompson, Parker and a small asset is more than enough for Kuzma

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

It’s crazy stupid and dumb if the lakers do that. Parker is out of the league if we let him go. TT would be a vet minimum after next season. They would probably do a smart plus Timelord for Kuzma, but we won’t do that for Ben Simmons.

[batabatuta]

Please don't turn the Boston Celtics into a stopover for NBA players soon to be playing for the Shanghai Sharks. We deserve better.

[Triple7]

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

I did have that Celtics would need to add a little something else.

But the relationship there is bad now, imo. And Kuzma looked terrible.

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

[cl2117]

Harrell is signed through next season, and Kuzma has 3 more years. Parker was benched by his former team, got benched in our team. TT won’t cut it. So you are saying they would let go of Kuzma for Tristan and Parker??? That’s just laughable man.

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

It’s crazy stupid and dumb if the lakers do that. Parker is out of the league if we let him go. TT would be a vet minimum after next season. They would probably do a smart plus Timelord for Kuzma, but we won’t do that for Ben Simmons.

Well yeah I'm sure they'd do that, but that'd be crazy stupid and dumb on our end.

It's less about what the Lakers would get and more about what they get off. Kuzma's 39/3 is neutral value at best. They'd be dumping his last 2 years, get a capable backup C and C's would kick in 2nds or something to help even out the value.

I think they only do it if they lose Harrell in FA, but if that happens I can see LeGm stepping in to help fill out the roster. Kuzma looks on the outs and TT is the same guy he was in Cleveland.

[JediMasterRevan]

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

I did have that Celtics would need to add a little something else.

But the relationship there is bad now, imo. And Kuzma looked terrible.

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

So says you.

Most teams fans value Kuzma incredibly low. GO look at some of the trade proposals for him.

His value has completely tanked. They will get players og Thompsons impact offered to them. probably at different positions, but they are only going to get a backup player in the 7-8th man range and a young asset attached with it.

Kuzma has not improved at anything since his rookie year. now 4 years in and 25 years old. His only value is that a team hopes he can be a mediocre floor spacing Forward.

Only a few teams can use a player like him

[cl2117]

Harrell has a player option and it's unclear as to whether he picks it up. They'd basically be doing TT/Parker to get off Kuzma's remaining years and cap space earlier.

I don't think it's crazy. C's would have to add more value, but Kuzma's value on that new contract is about neutral.

I did have that Celtics would need to add a little something else.

But the relationship there is bad now, imo. And Kuzma looked terrible.

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2093615

Look at what their fans are hoping for with Kuz. He's just trade filler to them, doesn't have value himself as it's really bottomed out.

[Triple7]

I did have that Celtics would need to add a little something else.

But the relationship there is bad now, imo. And Kuzma looked terrible.

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

So says you.

Most teams fans value Kuzma incredibly low. GO look at some of the trade proposals for him.

His value has completely tanked. They will get players og Thompsons impact offered to them. probably at different positions, but they are only going to get a backup player in the 7-8th man range and a young asset attached with it.

Kuzma has not improved at anything since his rookie year. now 4 years in and 25 years old. His only value is that a team hopes he can be a mediocre floor spacing Forward.

Only a few teams can use a player like him

Lol No! You just over value washwd up players like Parker and TT. Kuzma is 25yrs old. Not even hitting his prime lol. You desperately wanting Simmons here is clouding your judgement. He didn’t improve much because he was overshadowed hy Lebron and AD, plus a bunch of vets that can play. If he goes to a team with better role, i’m pretty sure he gets better fast.

[BK_2020]

Kuzma sucks lol

[JediMasterRevan]

Evan Fournier sign and Trade (18 million), Malik Beasley Boston, Jabari PArker, 2021 2nd, Boston 2022 first to Philly
Curry
Beasley
Fournier
Harris
Embiid

Simmons to Minny for Beasley and McDaniels
Rubio
Russell
Edwards
Simmons
KAT

Thompson, Romeo, Edwards to Sacramento for Hield and #9
Fox
Haliburton
Barnes
Bagley
Timelord

Rubio, Hield, McDaniels and #9 for Evan Fournier, Thompson, Romeo, Edwards, Parker 2022 1st, 2021 2nd

Rubio/Pritchard/Yam
Smart/Hield
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/McDaniels/GrantW
Horford/Timelord/Moses

[JediMasterRevan]

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

So says you.

Most teams fans value Kuzma incredibly low. GO look at some of the trade proposals for him.

His value has completely tanked. They will get players og Thompsons impact offered to them. probably at different positions, but they are only going to get a backup player in the 7-8th man range and a young asset attached with it.

Kuzma has not improved at anything since his rookie year. now 4 years in and 25 years old. His only value is that a team hopes he can be a mediocre floor spacing Forward.

Only a few teams can use a player like him

Lol No! You just over value washwd up players like Parker and TT. Kuzma is 25yrs old. Not even hitting his prime lol. You desperately wanting Simmons here is clouding your judgement. He didn’t improve much because he was overshadowed hy Lebron and AD, plus a bunch of vets that can play. If he goes to a team with better role, i’m pretty sure he gets better fast.

Was LEbron and Davis in LA for the last 4 years?

I dont care if SImmons is here, but I think that from a business standpoint, it might be easier for a team like us to sell Simmons in a year if it doest work out and get more asset gain that a team like Philly will get right now.

[Triple7]

I did have that Celtics would need to add a little something else.

But the relationship there is bad now, imo. And Kuzma looked terrible.

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2093615

Look at what their fans are hoping for with Kuz. He's just trade filler to them, doesn't have value himself as it's really bottomed out.

Come on. You think they are serious? Lol. Kuzma ain’t a filler. He is the main piece of any trade scenarios for them. Try asking them if they would accept a Kuzma for TT and Parker, i’m 100% certain they would laugh at that proposal. They are desperate, but not that desperate. He is their 3rd best player literally. Even Lebron says so. Why would they trade that to end of bench player in parker, and a 3rd string center in TT?

[Triple7]

So says you.

Most teams fans value Kuzma incredibly low. GO look at some of the trade proposals for him.

His value has completely tanked. They will get players og Thompsons impact offered to them. probably at different positions, but they are only going to get a backup player in the 7-8th man range and a young asset attached with it.

Kuzma has not improved at anything since his rookie year. now 4 years in and 25 years old. His only value is that a team hopes he can be a mediocre floor spacing Forward.

Only a few teams can use a player like him

Lol No! You just over value washwd up players like Parker and TT. Kuzma is 25yrs old. Not even hitting his prime lol. You desperately wanting Simmons here is clouding your judgement. He didn’t improve much because he was overshadowed hy Lebron and AD, plus a bunch of vets that can play. If he goes to a team with better role, i’m pretty sure he gets better fast.

Was LEbron and Davis in LA for the last 4 years?

I dont care if SImmons is here, but I think that from a business standpoint, it might be easier for a team like us to sell Simmons in a year if it doest work out and get more asset gain that a team like Philly will get right now.

I agree we can probably move Simmons if things didn’t work out. I’m just arguing you saying that simmons and Kuzma is worth TT plus Parker. That will never happen.

[Curmudgeon]

I like Montrezl, but not for the Celtics. We already have 6 centers, four of whom can't shoot.

I think TT plus either Langford or Nesmith could net a fairy good player. I have my eye on Goran Dragic in a sign and trade if the Heat don't exercise their team option. The Heat need a backup center. Some other guys on my radar for either a sign and trade or the MLE are Mike Scott (fits the Kanter trade exception), Schroeder (probably too expensive), Ilyasova (perpetually undervalued, still only 34) Rubio and Aminu.

[cl2117]

Yes Kuzma wants out, but it’s not like he is a star there. They would find the best deal out there for Kuzma. Kemba on the other hand, is a negative on both ends now with his nagging injury. We are lucky to find a deal this fast. The lakers would have a lot of offers for Kuzma.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2093615

Look at what their fans are hoping for with Kuz. He's just trade filler to them, doesn't have value himself as it's really bottomed out.

Come on. You think they are serious? Lol. Kuzma ain’t a filler. He is the main piece of any trade scenarios for them. Try asking them if they would accept a Kuzma for TT and Parker, i’m 100% certain they would laugh at that proposal. They are desperate, but not that desperate. He is their 3rd best player literally. Even Lebron says so. Why would they trade that to end of bench player in parker, and a 3rd string center in TT?

I don't know if you keep missing it, but I've said multiple times that the C's would have to kick in additional value (not a first round pick, but 2nds or something of that ilk).

Also, yeah I think they're moderately serious. He had a truly awful playoffs, hasn't stepped up and is now becoming much much more expensive.

You're just missing all the nuance as well. No one is saying Kuzma/TT swap is their first choice, just that it could be an option if things break a certain way, aka Harrell opts out and they're in need of a C. LeBron has a history of bringing back old teammates and Kuzma is on the outs there with his trade value at it's lowest. They could strike out with their preferred options since they don't have a ton of value to add to Kuz and might just settle for a cheaper piece that fills a need (TT).