Mitchell Robinson - Rim runners and the playoffs.

[rickxdel]

I would offer Mitch a 3 yr 36M deal at the most

[KnixtapeH20]

I would offer Mitch a 3 yr 36M deal at the most

Yea ok and then we lose our defensive anchor, P&R threat who has still barely scratched the surface of his potential when he'll finally have a legit coaching staff to work with.

Would be true knicks luck to lose Mitch and he goes on to dominate.

Get Mitch a pg that isn't atrocious and doesn't just let his man run rgiht by him and you'll see his true talent shine thru. We wont be saying the word potential anymore.

[Celo]

To the people who advocate Turner: You already forgot how badly he was exposed in last years playoff series against the Heat?

I don't believe in Mitch shooting good enough that opponent's defenses will respect him from 3-point-range. But I do believe that KP can teach him some basic post moves, so that he can punish small switches - something that Turner wasn't able to do against the Heat in the bubble. And I think that'd be enough for him to stay on the court all the time.

After yesterday's WCF Game 1 PG made an interesting comment regarding Ayton in comparison to the other centers the clippers have faced yet: "Ayton is a little bit more agile, more of a presence down low, and a better finisher than the other bigs we faced." Mitch ticks 2 if those boxes. So I do believe in him being a positive contributor on a playoff team if he can stay healthy.

[moocow007]

What the playoffs...and pretty much down the stretch in the regular season...has taught me about centers in the NBA is that it's not so much just about "rim running" or being able to shoot 3's...it's about having a defensive presence that can alter (not just block, but alter before it even is necessary to try to block) all that crazy dribble penetration that the top teams top guards can and are doing nowadays given the rule chances where you can't even breath on them without being called for a foul.

That and the ability to rebound the ball on the offensive end to give your team multiple shot opportunities when the 3's miss (which, as much 3 point shooting marksmen dot the NBA landscape, the reality is that you're missing a lot more than hitting nowadays than in previous era's). To be able to give your guards or 3 point shooters additional opportunities each time down the floor is HUGE, HUGE!

That is the 2 main things you need your C to be able to do. We say it first hand against guys like Capela and Valanciunas especially but pretty much every top team has someone similar that allows your ultra talented guards and shooters to do their thing again and again on offense (offensive rebounds) while making it extremely difficult for opposing guards/wings to get easy drives to the basket (which means they won't be able to dribble penetrade or drive and dish to 3 point shooters near as well).

Rim running is definitely a bonus just like being able to shoot, but it's not the most critical for today's NBA C.

Mitchell Robinson is a great rim runner (when healthy and in condition) but he also ticks the box in the 2 critical areas (especially the shot altering area). He doesn't need a 3 points shot (nice if he can hit a jumper or two but you don't need him to be a jump shooter). My concern with Mitch (which I've said repeatedly in the NBNF podcast) is that of health and conditioning...and focus (which may be related to his health and conditioning issues). My concern isn't with the talent or skillset (those are fine), it's with the mindset, the maturity and the commitment to winning basketball. IMO he came into the season looking out of shape and that that may have contributed to his injuries. That's not a good sign for someone that is on his 5th or 6th agent cause the previous one's apparently haven't gotten him enough of what he thinks he deserves.

[Nazrmohamed]

What the playoffs...and pretty much down the stretch in the regular season...has taught me about centers in the NBA is that it's not so much just about "rim running" or being able to shoot 3's...it's about having a defensive presence that can alter (not just block, but alter before it even is necessary to try to block) all that crazy dribble penetration that the top teams top guards can and are doing nowadays given the rule chances where you can't even breath on them without being called for a foul.

That and the ability to rebound the ball on the offensive end to give your team multiple shot opportunities when the 3's miss (which, as much 3 point shooting marksmen dot the NBA landscape, the reality is that you're missing a lot more than hitting nowadays than in previous era's). To be able to give your guards or 3 point shooters additional opportunities each time down the floor is HUGE, HUGE!

That is the 2 main things you need your C to be able to do. We say it first hand against guys like Capela and Valanciunas especially but pretty much every top team has someone similar that allows your ultra talented guards and shooters to do their thing again and again on offense (offensive rebounds) while making it extremely difficult for opposing guards/wings to get easy drives to the basket (which means they won't be able to dribble penetrade or drive and dish to 3 point shooters near as well).

Rim running is definitely a bonus just like being able to shoot, but it's not the most critical for today's NBA C.

Mitchell Robinson is a great rim runner (when healthy and in condition) but he also ticks the box in the 2 critical areas (especially the shot altering area). He doesn't need a 3 points shot (nice if he can hit a jumper or two but you don't need him to be a jump shooter). My concern with Mitch (which I've said repeatedly in the NBNF podcast) is that of health and conditioning...and focus (which may be related to his health and conditioning issues). My concern isn't with the talent or skillset (those are fine), it's with the mindset, the maturity and the commitment to winning basketball. IMO he came into the season looking out of shape and that that may have contributed to his injuries. That's not a good sign for someone that is on his 5th or 6th agent cause the previous one's apparently haven't gotten him enough of what he thinks he deserves.

Agreed. Even before this season started I said that he doesn't need to start shooting 3s. At best the sample size is gonna be maybe 2gm anyway. What I'd like to see him practice instead is the 10ft chip shot. A guard or Julius drives in and he gets out of the way.....doesn't need to be 22ft away but just that Marcus Camby on Denver jumpshot when no other option exists.

Also Thibs needs to understand that he HAS rim runners. You look at Mitch, Obi and Noel. None of these guys really flourished offensively. Noel had a great impactful yr, Mitch as well. Those two at least have the defense to fall back on but we nearly ran Obi out of town. Why? (Not excusing Obis defense here, that's the other half of his problem.Just focusing on offense in this conversation)

Cause:
- Pg/pace- I put those two together because theyre so interrelated. We just don't get easy buckets. Mitch the prior yr scored at 73% and we actually brought him backwards "trying to make him this complete player"....doesn't mean you have to totally abandon the lobs and easy buckets but then again our PG couldn't identify it.
- Run a damn pick and roll. Why is it that the only bucket we get are ones where the offensive player had to create the bucket?

Again it's partly PG based but Thibs gotta make offense easier too with his playcalling. I don't wanna see another yr of Randle iso and then whether he's a good or bad player is decided based on how well he passes out of iso. I wanna take the ball out of his hands a bit, have a PG do the distribution and as such create easy buckets for our rim runners like Mitch/Obi/Noel

[Clyde Frazier]

With that foot injury I don't see the market for mitch being huge. He isn't gonna get close to capela money.

The shot is a mystery/frustration at this point. Just take some damn elbow jumpers and open 3s and see what happens. This was kinda a wasted season with how much time he missed, but I'm also concerned that thibs might be against exploring that development with the risk of "wasted" possessions in his opinion. We'll never know unless he starts taking them.

Is Mitch untouchable? No, but I think he can be retained without an overpay and we shouldn't be so quick to let him go.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i wonder if declining his team option and letting him test RFA right now is the best play. i am concerned that he might build up his value more AND want to leave after we pay him packing peanuts for the fourth season. if he's happy, we can still have the inside track to keep him on a 5-year deal.

i think if we don't plan to use all of the cap space this summer we might want to let the market set mitchell's price and go from there. big risks in both directions for both sides. but he'll probably cost less over four years coming out of this offseason than next. really fascinating situation we're all in.

it would be dope if we did indeed find ourselves some worthy max and mid-level talent right now to fold in. then we could convince mitch to stay for 5 (again at his market rate) after.

[8516knicks]

One of our picks has to be a center who can score (but not a Enes clone like Garza)

[ENYK]

With that foot injury I don't see the market for mitch being huge. He isn't gonna get close to capela money.

The shot is a mystery/frustration at this point. Just take some damn elbow jumpers and open 3s and see what happens. This was kinda a wasted season with how much time he missed, but I'm also concerned that thibs might be against exploring that development with the risk of "wasted" possessions in his opinion. We'll never know unless he starts taking them.

Is Mitch untouchable? No, but I think he can be retained without an overpay and we shouldn't be so quick to let him go.

Agreed. He's mostly an unknown around the NBA... He faded into obscurity this past season due to injury. Maybe if this was 2013 or 2014 he'd be getting a lot of buzz for his athletic ability/size/defensive potential, but not in such a small ball-oriented league. It's not like he was putting up Capela-esque numbers before getting hurt.

Hopefully we can keep him on a team-friendly contract and he develops to the point of being serviceable in the midrange.

[Clyde Frazier]

With that foot injury I don't see the market for mitch being huge. He isn't gonna get close to capela money.

The shot is a mystery/frustration at this point. Just take some damn elbow jumpers and open 3s and see what happens. This was kinda a wasted season with how much time he missed, but I'm also concerned that thibs might be against exploring that development with the risk of "wasted" possessions in his opinion. We'll never know unless he starts taking them.

Is Mitch untouchable? No, but I think he can be retained without an overpay and we shouldn't be so quick to let him go.

Agreed. He's mostly an unknown around the NBA... He faded into obscurity this past season due to injury. Maybe if this was 2013 or 2014 he'd be getting a lot of buzz for his athletic ability/size/defensive potential, but not in such a small ball-oriented league. It's not like he was putting up Capela-esque numbers before getting hurt.

Hopefully we can keep him on a team-friendly contract and he develops to the point of being serviceable in the midrange.

Yeah I forgot to add: he's made next to nothing by NBA standards in his career so far. I think with the injury history now he might go for job security and the Knicks could benefit from that.

[robillionaire]

I would like to keep him on another team friendly cheap deal but he will likely be looking to get paid and I’m not thrilled with his trajectory so far and wouldn’t be mad if they looked to move on from him. Alternatively we could roll him out there 1 more season and see how it turns out, but he’d be a free agent after that. He hasn’t really earned a big extension

[DaGawd]

I would like to keep him on another team friendly cheap deal but he will likely be looking to get paid and I’m not thrilled with his trajectory so far and wouldn’t be mad if they looked to move on from him. Alternatively we could roll him out there 1 more season and see how it turns out, but he’d be a free agent after that. He hasn’t really earned a big extension

Exactly how I feel on his situation also. He’s been roughly the same player for his 3 year career.

[Ghetto Gospel]

With that foot injury I don't see the market for mitch being huge. He isn't gonna get close to capela money.

The shot is a mystery/frustration at this point. Just take some damn elbow jumpers and open 3s and see what happens. This was kinda a wasted season with how much time he missed, but I'm also concerned that thibs might be against exploring that development with the risk of "wasted" possessions in his opinion. We'll never know unless he starts taking them.

Is Mitch untouchable? No, but I think he can be retained without an overpay and we shouldn't be so quick to let him go.

Agreed. He's mostly an unknown around the NBA... He faded into obscurity this past season due to injury. Maybe if this was 2013 or 2014 he'd be getting a lot of buzz for his athletic ability/size/defensive potential, but not in such a small ball-oriented league. It's not like he was putting up Capela-esque numbers before getting hurt.

Hopefully we can keep him on a team-friendly contract and he develops to the point of being serviceable in the midrange.

Yeah I forgot to add: he's made next to nothing by NBA standards in his career so far. I think with the injury history now he might go for job security and the Knicks could benefit from that.

Per ESPN: the max that we can offer Mitch this offseason is 55m/4yrs so we can't really cross the 90m/5yrs Capela bridge even if we wanted to. I believe Mitch gets an offer of 55m/4yrs next year in UFA granted he stays relatively healthy and has a decent season. If his foot injury is progressing well, we should just be prepared to give him an extension now because it would be absolutely tragic if leaves in UFA for nothing

[dakomish23]

What have you done for me lately is a pathetic way to run an NBA franchise

[mpharris36]

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[DowNY]

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Getting to that grown man body. Might have to sign Dwight just to have Mitch in the gym with him all season. Lol

That’s what I’m saying with RJ. Wait til he get to the man body, pause. Gonna make Obi look skinny.

[DaGawd]

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Getting to that grown man body. Might have to sign Dwight just to have Mitch in the gym with him all season. Lol

That’s what I’m saying with RJ. Wait til he get to the man body, pause. Gonna make Obi look skinny.

RJ kinda already does have it.. it’s just not doing him any good.. maybe he needs to get skinnier

[KnixtapeH20]

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[Ray Williams]

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Don’t skip leg days Mitch

[KnixtapeH20]

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Getting to that grown man body. Might have to sign Dwight just to have Mitch in the gym with him all season. Lol

That’s what I’m saying with RJ. Wait til he get to the man body, pause. Gonna make Obi look skinny.

Would love Howard/Taj backing up Mitch. 3 big bodies punishing, swatting and doing work on the boards....