2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[WargamesX]

I'd like to remind everyone again that OKC will f*ck up the Knicks draft.

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd like to remind everyone again that OKC will f*ck up the Knicks draft.

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

Seems like a bit much to give up for the Knicks in terms of future flexibility - that Mavs pick, even though it's probably in the 20s again, could be useful.

On the other hand, I agree, in that if there is a player that Perrin/Knicks scouts are really in on, why not burn that Mavs 2023 pick - if OKC is willing etc - to move up to get that player.

Dependent on if OKC doesn't use half of it's 2,450 picks to land some star, instead.

[moocow007]

This video breaks down Knicks potential draftees (1) if we trade both first round picks (and an additional asset?) to get into the back end of the lottery, and (2) if we keep both picks. I like the talent level in this draft … eve if I don’t know much about it yet. But I’m feeling it!

Watch on YouTube

This draft has a very talented top group. After the top 5, there's a pretty noticeable drop off IMO in terms of top tier star potential. For a potential future star I would look to seriously make a move. But for a guy that may turn out to be a solid rotation player or maybe starter "slash" front part of the bench guy? I wouldn't break the bank to move up. The reason to move up is really because the Knicks simply will not keep all those picks.

[thebuzzardman]

This video breaks down Knicks potential draftees (1) if we trade both first round picks (and an additional asset?) to get into the back end of the lottery, and (2) if we keep both picks. I like the talent level in this draft … eve if I don’t know much about it yet. But I’m feeling it!

Watch on YouTube

This draft has a very talented top group. After the top 5, there's a pretty noticeable drop off IMO in terms of top tier star potential. For a potential future star I would look to seriously make a move. But for a guy that may turn out to be a solid rotation player or maybe starter "slash" front part of the bench guy? I wouldn't break the bank to move up. The reason to move up is really because the Knicks simply will not keep all those picks.

Similar to my response to War above, I'd rather they keep MOST of their picks, even this years, but I'd like to hope that if the scouts ID a certain player in a certain range where the Knicks might have to move up 4 slots, that they can trade combine some of these picks, either in 21 or even that '23 pick, to move up.

All this stuff is dependent on a guy falling, the Knicks actually liking that guy and that guy actually being good and the Knicks being right about that. Which will also only be apparent with 20/20 hindsight.

At least they are in somewhat of a position to try things like this, as opposed to the past, where they might not even have their pick and certainly no extra ones.

[WargamesX]

I'd like to remind everyone again that OKC will f*ck up the Knicks draft.

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

Seems like a bit much to give up for the Knicks in terms of future flexibility - that Mavs pick, even though it's probably in the 20s again, could be useful.

On the other hand, I agree, in that if there is a player that Perrin/Knicks scouts are really in on, why not burn that Mavs 2023 pick - if OKC is willing etc - to move up to get that player.

Dependent on if OKC doesn't use half of it's 2,450 picks to land some star, instead.

I honestly am not a fan of holding onto that 2023 Mavs pick. It’s value is in my mind best case scenario is in the 16-20 range, plus come 2023 we should be full steam ahead on being contenders. If getting rookies minutes is a issue now, it’ll be like pulling teeth by then. They should get their rookies now when they can put temps in front of them and develop them as needed.

Also I actually think they will try to buy themselves into top 5 if they don’t land there in the lottery and it won’t work .The top five are too highly valued so they’ll be ok with flipping picks to get ready and try again later. If they do stay in the top 5 I think they just drop picks because once again 6 rookies is way to much to deal with. NBA teams aren’t built to develop that many guys.

[WargamesX]

This video breaks down Knicks potential draftees (1) if we trade both first round picks (and an additional asset?) to get into the back end of the lottery, and (2) if we keep both picks. I like the talent level in this draft … eve if I don’t know much about it yet. But I’m feeling it!

Watch on YouTube

This draft has a very talented top group. After the top 5, there's a pretty noticeable drop off IMO in terms of top tier star potential. For a potential future star I would look to seriously make a move. But for a guy that may turn out to be a solid rotation player or maybe starter "slash" front part of the bench guy? I wouldn't break the bank to move up. The reason to move up is really because the Knicks simply will not keep all those picks.

Similar to my response to War above, I'd rather they keep MOST of their picks, even this years, but I'd like to hope that if the scouts ID a certain player in a certain range where the Knicks might have to move up 4 slots, that they can trade combine some of these picks, either in 21 or even that '23 pick, to move up.

All this stuff is dependent on a guy falling, the Knicks actually liking that guy and that guy actually being good and the Knicks being right about that. Which will also only be apparent with 20/20 hindsight.

At least they are in somewhat of a position to try things like this, as opposed to the past, where they might not even have their pick and certainly no extra ones.

If they like someone, move up to get them, don’t get Steph Curry’d hoping they fall to 19.

[Knicks1992]

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

Seems like a bit much to give up for the Knicks in terms of future flexibility - that Mavs pick, even though it's probably in the 20s again, could be useful.

On the other hand, I agree, in that if there is a player that Perrin/Knicks scouts are really in on, why not burn that Mavs 2023 pick - if OKC is willing etc - to move up to get that player.

Dependent on if OKC doesn't use half of it's 2,450 picks to land some star, instead.

I honestly am not a fan of holding onto that 2023 Mavs pick. It’s value is in my mind best case scenario is in the 16-20 range, plus come 2023 we should be full steam ahead on being contenders. If getting rookies minutes is a issue now, it’ll be like pulling teeth by then. They should get their rookies now when they can put temps in front of them and develop them as needed.

Also I actually think they will try to buy themselves into top 5 if they don’t land there in the lottery and it won’t work .The top five are too highly valued so they’ll be ok with flipping picks to get ready and try again later. If they do stay in the top 5 I think they just drop picks because once again 6 rookies is way to much to deal with. NBA teams aren’t built to develop that many guys.

I think 2023 is on track to be the dual draft with two lotteries going on with high schoolers plus 1 & done converging in the same draft for the only time.

[Knicks1992]

This draft has a very talented top group. After the top 5, there's a pretty noticeable drop off IMO in terms of top tier star potential. For a potential future star I would look to seriously make a move. But for a guy that may turn out to be a solid rotation player or maybe starter "slash" front part of the bench guy? I wouldn't break the bank to move up. The reason to move up is really because the Knicks simply will not keep all those picks.

Similar to my response to War above, I'd rather they keep MOST of their picks, even this years, but I'd like to hope that if the scouts ID a certain player in a certain range where the Knicks might have to move up 4 slots, that they can trade combine some of these picks, either in 21 or even that '23 pick, to move up.

All this stuff is dependent on a guy falling, the Knicks actually liking that guy and that guy actually being good and the Knicks being right about that. Which will also only be apparent with 20/20 hindsight.

At least they are in somewhat of a position to try things like this, as opposed to the past, where they might not even have their pick and certainly no extra ones.

If they like someone, move up to get them, don’t get Steph Curry’d hoping they fall to 19.

A defensive presence that Thibs can work with and a knockdown shooter is all I am asking for.

[WargamesX]

Seems like a bit much to give up for the Knicks in terms of future flexibility - that Mavs pick, even though it's probably in the 20s again, could be useful.

On the other hand, I agree, in that if there is a player that Perrin/Knicks scouts are really in on, why not burn that Mavs 2023 pick - if OKC is willing etc - to move up to get that player.

Dependent on if OKC doesn't use half of it's 2,450 picks to land some star, instead.

I honestly am not a fan of holding onto that 2023 Mavs pick. It’s value is in my mind best case scenario is in the 16-20 range, plus come 2023 we should be full steam ahead on being contenders. If getting rookies minutes is a issue now, it’ll be like pulling teeth by then. They should get their rookies now when they can put temps in front of them and develop them as needed.

Also I actually think they will try to buy themselves into top 5 if they don’t land there in the lottery and it won’t work .The top five are too highly valued so they’ll be ok with flipping picks to get ready and try again later. If they do stay in the top 5 I think they just drop picks because once again 6 rookies is way to much to deal with. NBA teams aren’t built to develop that many guys.

I think 2023 is on track to be the dual draft with two lotteries going on with high schoolers plus 1 & done converging in the same draft for the only time.

Double draft just means the high school kids can all join but on the low we’re seeing more kids manipulate the system to reclassify their draft age to go earlier as it now. For example RJ did it, the kid JT Thor this year is did it as well. It is good to take advantage of it, but it’s not a one year thing…. And where it really kicks in is second round picks……

[WargamesX]

Similar to my response to War above, I'd rather they keep MOST of their picks, even this years, but I'd like to hope that if the scouts ID a certain player in a certain range where the Knicks might have to move up 4 slots, that they can trade combine some of these picks, either in 21 or even that '23 pick, to move up.

All this stuff is dependent on a guy falling, the Knicks actually liking that guy and that guy actually being good and the Knicks being right about that. Which will also only be apparent with 20/20 hindsight.

At least they are in somewhat of a position to try things like this, as opposed to the past, where they might not even have their pick and certainly no extra ones.

If they like someone, move up to get them, don’t get Steph Curry’d hoping they fall to 19.

A defensive presence that Thibs can work with and a knockdown shooter is all I am asking for.

Agreed for example I like that kid JT Thor and Duarte. Knicks would likely want to move up to guarantee they can get both

[Richard4444]

I'd like to remind everyone again that OKC will f*ck up the Knicks draft.

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

I dont get it why people are worried about OKC picks. They like long-term projects like Bazley and Poku. We are interested in win-now role players like Duarte and Isaiah Jackson.

Despite Dallas's problems, a 2023 top10 Protected pick is not a very attractive pick at all. If Dallas improves a little and Doncic remains healthy, the pick can be around #25. No one is trading a mid-round pick in a very rich draft for it.

And OKC really needs more quality picks than more quantity of picks. They dont have so many roster spots for all their picks.

[Richard4444]

We are looking for a star in a trade. I think it's very important to get value in the draft (at least getting players that are as valuable as their picks were). We cant burn picks getting busts that will serve only as fillers in trades. I don't think we will risk on raw boom or busts projects.

It makes sense to trade out (Grant, Myles Turner, Brogdon) or to trade up because we don't have many normal rotation spots to showcase and develop our rookies. But I hope we are not trading our picks for a low potential role player.

[WargamesX]

I'd like to remind everyone again that OKC will f*ck up the Knicks draft.

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

I dont get it why people are worried about OKC picks. They like long-term projects like Bazley and Poku. We are interested in win-now role players like Duarte and Isaiah Jackson.

Despite Dallas's problems, a 2023 top10 Protected pick is not a very attractive pick at all. If Dallas improves a little and Doncic remains healthy, the pick can be around #25. No one is trading a mid-round pick in a very rich draft for it.

And OKC really needs more quality picks than more quantity of picks. They dont have so many roster spots for all their picks.

You don’t know where that pick will be. They were saying the #21 pick we got this year would be around 26 or even later cause Doncic was a preseason MVP candidate

Right now the mavs look chaotic and that pick has a little more value as a result. Flip it

Also you’re mistaking my reasoning. If they want Duarte or Isiah or whoever there is no guarantee they makes it to 19, let alone 21. Move up and get the guys you like.

[WargamesX]

We are looking for a star in a trade. I think it's very important to get value in the draft (at least getting players that is so valuable than their picks). We cant burn picks getting busts that will serve only as fillers in trades. I don't think we will risk on raw boom or busts projects.

Its make sense to trade out (Grant, Myles Turner, Brogdon) or trade up because we dont have too normal rotation spots to showcase and develop our rookies. But I hope we are not tradind our picks for a low potential role player.

We are doing due diligence on trading for a star. The Knicks haven’t gone full trade yet. Mostly because of the names that been out there (and even the ones you mentioned) none of them make the Knicks contenders. The Hawks series showed they got to try and get a 1A player. If a 1A star like dame becomes available, sure. However, they are just as likely to need a good team to try and get a FA star to come over in 2022.

Also, I like getting sure things too but Obi was supposed to be the sure thing last year guys like Pat Will and Okongwu were the projects and all three are at the same stages developmentally (with Pat Will honestly a bit ahead). Knicks need to identify the best guys and get them. We’re not picking at 27-28 we’re picking at a point where there should be guys who can help now AND develop. . They should be ruthless in their pursuit to become contenders. The plan should not be to just get better and fix holes on the roster, that’s what you do when you are already contenders which we are still not.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd like to remind everyone again that OKC will f*ck up the Knicks draft.

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

I dont get it why people are worried about OKC picks. They like long-term projects like Bazley and Poku. We are interested in win-now role players like Duarte and Isaiah Jackson.

Despite Dallas's problems, a 2023 top10 Protected pick is not a very attractive pick at all. If Dallas improves a little and Doncic remains healthy, the pick can be around #25. No one is trading a mid-round pick in a very rich draft for it.

And OKC really needs more quality picks than more quantity of picks. They dont have so many roster spots for all their picks.

I'm not "worried" about OKC. I'm stating the fact that they'll grab a player(s) Knick fans will have sold themselves on. Guaranteed. They pick twice shortly before the Knicks.

Actually, it'll be OKC + the Hawks, where my predicted scenario of better teams picking higher than the Knicks comes to be, even if in this case it's only 1 pick earlier. That'll also be a guy Knick fans were drooling over.

I'd assume the real talent drop in the draft starts exactly at pick 19.

I'm really just f*cking with people, but really, it's a simple math problem.

Collectively, people will decide there are about 7 players they really hope/think will be available for the Knicks between 19 and 21. However, OKC and the Hawks having 3 picks between them means a few of those guys will get snapped up.

[Richard4444]

That’s why the Knicks should try to trade with them not too

If the Thunder are still in asset collection mode the Knicks should offer them #21, that Mavs 2023, and a couple of second rounders (including #32) to move up to 16 and to get #35 and #36. If the Thunder are picking at 18 already picking in the high lottery it’s not unrealistic trade. It makes even more sense if they have already picked twice in the lottery. Right now they are scheduled to get 6 rookies. No team can hope to develop 6 rookies, let along hit on six draft picks. Basically they would gain a future first rounder (Mavs 2023), consolidate their second rounders to a higher pick (#35+#36 for #32), and lessen their development load to 5 rookies which makes their job easier. So now they would draft #4, #18, #21, #32 and #55.

Flipside Knicks get #16 and #19, #35, and #36. They can definitely increase the chance they draft who they like at that outside the lottery range. Also if they like some second round prospects they can add them as well. Yes, Thibs doesn’t play rookies, but on the low considering the Knicks cap, their Longterm ambitions, and the fact that they are losing some of their one and done guys this summer to probably be replaced with more one and done guys to maintain their cap. Getting some youth depth now means they won’t be rookies when the Knicks do start looking to make serious playoff pushes.

Basically the Thunder get a future 1st for 5 draft spots and a second. Which is in line with a lot of draft night trades.

I dont get it why people are worried about OKC picks. They like long-term projects like Bazley and Poku. We are interested in win-now role players like Duarte and Isaiah Jackson.

Despite Dallas's problems, a 2023 top10 Protected pick is not a very attractive pick at all. If Dallas improves a little and Doncic remains healthy, the pick can be around #25. No one is trading a mid-round pick in a very rich draft for it.

And OKC really needs more quality picks than more quantity of picks. They dont have so many roster spots for all their picks.

You don’t know where that pick will be. They were saying the #21 pick we got this year would be around 26 or even later cause Doncic was a preseason MVP candidate

Right now the mavs look chaotic and that pick has a little more value as a result. Flip it

Also you’re mistaking my reasoning. If they want Duarte or Isiah or whoever there is no guarantee they makes it to 19, let alone 21. Move up and get the guys you like.

I am saying the pick probably will be very low but It's entirely possible to be mid-range. The future of Dallas team is very hard to predict. They have a superstar but awful supporting players. But supporting players are very easier to get.

Consequently, I dont think the pick has a lot of value. Our opponets might not want to roll the dice trading certain for uncertain gain. Saving for a really good deal, I don't want to give the pick away for a small trading up. That is a chance the pick be mid-range and better to keep it.

I think the Front Office wants role players like Duarte and Jackson. I am afraid they trading picks to get them. They are not very special. I think it's better to have more shots and getting who drops except if we could get a high potential player who inexplicably drops (like Haliburton and maybe Saddiq Bay last year).

[WargamesX]

I dont get it why people are worried about OKC picks. They like long-term projects like Bazley and Poku. We are interested in win-now role players like Duarte and Isaiah Jackson.

Despite Dallas's problems, a 2023 top10 Protected pick is not a very attractive pick at all. If Dallas improves a little and Doncic remains healthy, the pick can be around #25. No one is trading a mid-round pick in a very rich draft for it.

And OKC really needs more quality picks than more quantity of picks. They dont have so many roster spots for all their picks.

You don’t know where that pick will be. They were saying the #21 pick we got this year would be around 26 or even later cause Doncic was a preseason MVP candidate

Right now the mavs look chaotic and that pick has a little more value as a result. Flip it

Also you’re mistaking my reasoning. If they want Duarte or Isiah or whoever there is no guarantee they makes it to 19, let alone 21. Move up and get the guys you like.

I am saying the pick probably will be very low but It's entirely possible to be mid-range. The future of Dallas team is very hard to predict. They have a superstar but awful supporting players. But supporting players are very easier to get.

Consequently, I dont think the pick has a lot of value. Our opponets might not want to roll the dice trading certain for uncertain gain. Saving for a really good deal, I don't want to give the pick away for a small trading up. That is a chance the pick be mid-range and better to keep it.

I think the Front Office wants role players like Duarte and Jackson. I am afraid they trading picks to get them. They are not very special. I think it's better to have more shots and getting who drops except if we could get a high potential player who inexplicably drops (like Haliburton and maybe Saddiq Bay last year).

It’s hard to call what the Knicks would do, and they do mostly mess up

Last year showed they weren’t scared to trade. They did two moves and were rumored to want to move up for Obi which would have been a massive mistake I hope you’re wrong.

I also think this year kind of put stuff in perception. They need good talent, bodies are not enough come the playoffs. They have a highly respected draft guy in Perrin, and need to utilize him.

[thebuzzardman]

You don’t know where that pick will be. They were saying the #21 pick we got this year would be around 26 or even later cause Doncic was a preseason MVP candidate

Right now the mavs look chaotic and that pick has a little more value as a result. Flip it

Also you’re mistaking my reasoning. If they want Duarte or Isiah or whoever there is no guarantee they makes it to 19, let alone 21. Move up and get the guys you like.

I am saying the pick probably will be very low but It's entirely possible to be mid-range. The future of Dallas team is very hard to predict. They have a superstar but awful supporting players. But supporting players are very easier to get.

Consequently, I dont think the pick has a lot of value. Our opponets might not want to roll the dice trading certain for uncertain gain. Saving for a really good deal, I don't want to give the pick away for a small trading up. That is a chance the pick be mid-range and better to keep it.

I think the Front Office wants role players like Duarte and Jackson. I am afraid they trading picks to get them. They are not very special. I think it's better to have more shots and getting who drops except if we could get a high potential player who inexplicably drops (like Haliburton and maybe Saddiq Bay last year).

It’s hard to call what the Knicks would do, and they do mostly mess up

Last year showed they weren’t scared to trade. They did two moves and were rumored to want to move up for Obi which would have been a massive mistake I hope you’re wrong.

I also think this year kind of put stuff in perception. They need good talent, bodies are not enough come the playoffs. They have a highly respected draft guy in Perrin, and need to utilize him.

Those Obi rumors have me frightened about the Knicks scouting department.

Really, all I have to hang my hopes on is that Rose got his nepotism pick for his dumb son out of the way, where guys like Perrin and that whiz kid draft nerd were told to "f*ck off, this is family business" and that was what led the Knicks to drafting Lance F*cking Thomas with some more hops.

If not, then the Knicks could be trading all their picks for the next few years and I don't really care.

[8516knicks]

Didn't Givony at ESPN term Davion Mitchel a franchise point guard? Are we sleeping on him or just certain he's out of reach?

[jvsimonetti0514]

I wouldn't want to use the Mavs 2023 pick just yet. That could still be valuable trade chip for the ever elusive disgruntled star. Teams love their mystery boxes when it comes to making these type of trades and I don't want to handicap us by getting rid of it too soon. I definitely think we've got enough draft capitol in this draft to get up pretty high if we wanted too. 19+21+32 could def spark some interest in the late lottery teams IMO