MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[Slot Machine]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but why did we pass on Tyrese Maxey for a project big man with a pretty low ceiling again?

We got spanked by the Lakers mainly because of their size. Makes logical sense from our front office to draft a big.

Lot of guards as well Nunn, Herro, Robinson, Dragic and Vincent

Precious is 6’8, barely a “big”.

[Slot Machine]

Sitting back today, I have decided I am all in on depending on internal develop to become stars in Bam and Herro and possibly Nunn. Unless there is knowlegde in the front office that Herro lacks focus, betting that Herro will take two steps forward after taking a step back last season and become Ginobli is what I am gonna do. I am down with building around Herro, Bam and Butler with Lowry, Steven Adams and Rudy Gay.

PG: Lowry - Nunn - Oladipo
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson
PF: Adebayo - Gay
Ce: Adams

That lineup has nonexistent spacing.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Not a fan of adding Dinwiddie. He had one season of nice boxscore #s on a losing team; 20 and 7 that seems kinda similar to DeRozan. Or is it. Like DeRozan he can't shoot 3s (31%), but unlike DeRozan he still insists on spamming them (6.3 attempts/gm). Unlike DeRozan, he's horrific from midrange (35% from 3-10, 26% from 10-16, 31% from 16-3pt), and just brutally inefficient overall (54% TS). Never been known for his defense. He's good at getting to the line (.437 FT rate) where he hit 78%. At age 28 he kinda is what he is and is coming off an ACL tear

2/10 would not bang

[twix2500]

Sitting back today, I have decided I am all in on depending on internal develop to become stars in Bam and Herro and possibly Nunn. Unless there is knowlegde in the front office that Herro lacks focus, betting that Herro will take two steps forward after taking a step back last season and become Ginobli is what I am gonna do. I am down with building around Herro, Bam and Butler with Lowry, Steven Adams and Rudy Gay.

PG: Lowry - Nunn - Oladipo
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson
PF: Adebayo - Gay
Ce: Adams

That lineup has nonexistent spacing.

On the premise that Bam will start shooting.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Sitting back today, I have decided I am all in on depending on internal develop to become stars in Bam and Herro and possibly Nunn. Unless there is knowlegde in the front office that Herro lacks focus, betting that Herro will take two steps forward after taking a step back last season and become Ginobli is what I am gonna do. I am down with building around Herro, Bam and Butler with Lowry, Steven Adams and Rudy Gay.

PG: Lowry - Nunn - Oladipo
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson
PF: Adebayo - Gay
Ce: Adams

That lineup has nonexistent spacing.

On the premise that Bam will start shooting.

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Two ways of adding Lowry. Sign him to cap space renouncing the rights of everyone needed to make any trade for a salary like Adams or work as capped team and trade Dragic with KZ or Achuiwa to give Lowry 21 million starting salary or include Iguodala to give him more and add Baynes to the deal. In scenario one we have the 4.7 million room exception to add another player. In scenario 2 as capped team you can trade Dragic and Iguodala individually or as package deal for a bigger salary. Also have access to Mid level 9.7 million and Bi Annual. No guarantee the Raps are down for our S&T. Not really in a good spot if all we add is Lowry for our projected 23 million in cap space.

[marson]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but why did we pass on Tyrese Maxey for a project big man with a pretty low ceiling again?

We got spanked by the Lakers mainly because of their size. Makes logical sense from our front office to draft a big.

Lot of guards as well Nunn, Herro, Robinson, Dragic and Vincent

Precious is 6’8, barely a “big”.

He is a big in todays standard.

[Bishop45]

Herro needs to draw more fouls and increase efficiency. Bam needs to shoot more midrange jumpers and attack the basket. Outside of that, it doesn't matter how others improve their game. Our future rides on those two getting better at putting the ball in the basket consistently.

Our future always rides on our young guys developing, until we trade them (ie Winslow/Rich)

If we know early that they likely won't lead us to a chip, might be smarter to start looking for suitors (especially if they might help us get the type of star needed)

[contract]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but why did we pass on Tyrese Maxey for a project big man with a pretty low ceiling again?

We got spanked by the Lakers mainly because of their size. Makes logical sense from our front office to draft a big.

Lot of guards as well Nunn, Herro, Robinson, Dragic and Vincent

Precious wasn't going to fix the size deficiency. He's only 6'8 225 lbs ... which is roughly the same size as Ariza and KZ.

[contract]

Read on Twitter

Great to hear he's going. If he decided not to go I'd hope Riley would have dragged his butt to Tokyo himself. Hopefully he can pick up some stuff from the other allstars. And also he better recruiting while he's at it.
It's a shame Butler probably won't go. He needs the rest but he could been out there recruiting as well

was going to skip the olympics but now that a heater is in i cannot look away

Lets hope we don't lose.

[contract]

Reading some of these posts on potential offseason moves is starting to depress the hell out of me.

[IceColdCubano]

Reading some of these posts on potential offseason moves is starting to depress the hell out of me.

Just go on hiatus for a few weeks, come back, get instantly depressed but atleast its a single shot like an expresso. Instead if you hang around here its like sipping an americano in a 5 gallon jug daily. Lol

[RexBoyWonder]

Reading some of these posts on potential offseason moves is starting to depress the hell out of me.

Realistically we're not going to be a top contender next year unless we pull off some unexpected move. BUT :

1) East is up for Grabs. Sixers imploded and could change drastically, Celtics took a step back, Knicks are Meh, We could be in the running for a top 3-4 seed if we make a few good moves.

2) We're a young team and should get younger. I'm fine with not being elite as long as we're building for a better future. Most of the rotation should be better next year, and we need to put a focus on developing all our young guys.

[AirP.]

2) We're a young team and should get younger. I'm fine with not being elite as long as we're building for a better future. Most of the rotation should be better next year, and we need to put a focus on developing all our young guys.

Developing future role-players and then overpaying them isn't a path to success.

Honestly, you can put an NBA player in their ideal situation on the court they can produce but it doesn't mean you're going to win games. Just in recent history Richardson who was elevated to a scorer's role in Miami putting up "promising" numbers or point Winslow putting up promising numbers yet both will end up as defensive roleplayers on a good team or putting up "better" numbers on bad teams.

Players DEVELOP in their off time, during games they get some experience but they mostly find out what they need to work on... which happens outside of games.

[Hallstar]

Herro needs to draw more fouls and increase efficiency. Bam needs to shoot more midrange jumpers and attack the basket. Outside of that, it doesn't matter how others improve their game. Our future rides on those two getting better at putting the ball in the basket consistently.

Our future always rides on our young guys developing, until we trade them (ie Winslow/Rich)

If we know early that they likely won't lead us to a chip, might be smarter to start looking for suitors (especially if they might help us get the type of star needed)

Those 2 were always limited offensively, especially Winslow who I said should not have been extended. But I do agree at sink or swim for the young guys. Give them minutes, we aren't a contender anyway. Trae Young would NOT have had the rookie season he had in Atlanta if he was drafted here, but that was important in him becoming the player leading the Hawks in th ECF. I have no interest in taking 5 years to groom a role player

[Bishop45]

Herro needs to draw more fouls and increase efficiency. Bam needs to shoot more midrange jumpers and attack the basket. Outside of that, it doesn't matter how others improve their game. Our future rides on those two getting better at putting the ball in the basket consistently.

Our future always rides on our young guys developing, until we trade them (ie Winslow/Rich)

If we know early that they likely won't lead us to a chip, might be smarter to start looking for suitors (especially if they might help us get the type of star needed)

Those 2 were always limited offensively, especially Winslow who I said should not have been extended. But I do agree at sink or swim for the young guys. Give them minutes, we aren't a contender anyway. Trae Young would NOT have had the rookie season he had in Atlanta if he was drafted here, but that was important in him becoming the player leading the Hawks in th ECF. I have no interest in taking 5 years to groom a role player

Our young guys are getting mins, Trae would've been Trae anywhere

[Hallstar]

Our future always rides on our young guys developing, until we trade them (ie Winslow/Rich)

If we know early that they likely won't lead us to a chip, might be smarter to start looking for suitors (especially if they might help us get the type of star needed)

Those 2 were always limited offensively, especially Winslow who I said should not have been extended. But I do agree at sink or swim for the young guys. Give them minutes, we aren't a contender anyway. Trae Young would NOT have had the rookie season he had in Atlanta if he was drafted here, but that was important in him becoming the player leading the Hawks in th ECF. I have no interest in taking 5 years to groom a role player

Our young guys are getting mins, Trae would've been Trae anywhere

mins and freedom are 2 different things. miss a couple shots and never see the ball again. We would've had Trae avg 14/5 talking about work on efficiency and he needs the culture defensively

[Bishop45]

Those 2 were always limited offensively, especially Winslow who I said should not have been extended. But I do agree at sink or swim for the young guys. Give them minutes, we aren't a contender anyway. Trae Young would NOT have had the rookie season he had in Atlanta if he was drafted here, but that was important in him becoming the player leading the Hawks in th ECF. I have no interest in taking 5 years to groom a role player

Our young guys are getting mins, Trae would've been Trae anywhere

mins and freedom are 2 different things. miss a couple shots and never see the ball again. We would've had Trae avg 14/5 talking about work on efficiency and he needs the culture defensively

Talent always gets a longer leash, and Spo of all coaches, is def not encouraging him to take less 3's imo

[AirP.]

Herro needs to draw more fouls and increase efficiency. Bam needs to shoot more midrange jumpers and attack the basket. Outside of that, it doesn't matter how others improve their game. Our future rides on those two getting better at putting the ball in the basket consistently.

Our future always rides on our young guys developing, until we trade them (ie Winslow/Rich)

If we know early that they likely won't lead us to a chip, might be smarter to start looking for suitors (especially if they might help us get the type of star needed)

Those 2 were always limited offensively, especially Winslow who I said should not have been extended. But I do agree at sink or swim for the young guys. Give them minutes, we aren't a contender anyway. Trae Young would NOT have had the rookie season he had in Atlanta if he was drafted here, but that was important in him becoming the player leading the Hawks in th ECF. I have no interest in taking 5 years to groom a role player

I kept hearing the same damn narrative about Thibodeau also. Coaches like Spoelstra and Thibodeau play the best players and if a rookie is good enough they're going to get minutes unless there are better players in front of them THEN it's up to the FO to decide if they should move a player in the way of a young player to make more time for them.

I just don't get the idea of not acquiring good talent in the hopes of younger players becoming better. One might think the young guys can learn from the better older players.

Let's look at Duncan Robinson... he could shoot the 3 but didn't get minutes his rookie season, listened to the coaching staff on what he needed to work on, used his offseason to put on weight, get stronger, work on his skills and he ends up being put in the rotation at the start of his 2nd season then by game 5 was put in the starting lineup and started all but one of the rest of the games for Miami.

I just don't get why people think Miami has all this great "young" talent other then Miami has been forced to utilize the younger players because they couldn't acquire better talent because of the 2021 plan restricted them from giving out longer contracts.

I still can't believe this FO did nothing to address the issue of no true starting big opposite of Bam till over half the season was over, it's quite possible with a true starting big most of the season Miami got the 4th or 5th seed and possibly could have been in the conference finals this year like Atlanta is. I believe Miami could have got past New York and with a legit starting big next to Bam I could see them getting past this 76ers team.

[AirP.]

Those 2 were always limited offensively, especially Winslow who I said should not have been extended. But I do agree at sink or swim for the young guys. Give them minutes, we aren't a contender anyway. Trae Young would NOT have had the rookie season he had in Atlanta if he was drafted here, but that was important in him becoming the player leading the Hawks in th ECF. I have no interest in taking 5 years to groom a role player

Our young guys are getting mins, Trae would've been Trae anywhere

mins and freedom are 2 different things. miss a couple shots and never see the ball again. We would've had Trae avg 14/5 talking about work on efficiency and he needs the culture defensively

How the hell did D.Robinson stay in the rotation early on when he went 3-18 for with a total of 12 points in a 3 game stretch early on his 2nd year with Miami?

We only see these players in games, Spoelstra sees them outside of games in practices and workout sessions, he has a far better idea of what players can and can't do.

This message board is starting to sound like the Chicago Bulls message board right before they moved Butler(to develop the young guys). Now they have a lot of young talent, some lottery level talent, those young players are getting a lot of minutes in games. and they're not winning games and now are desperate to keep LaVine happy to keep him in Chicago. Good lord, look at Philly, they kept the young guys and their potential vs the actual good players... not to mention all the "misses" they had in the draft.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

See the discussion has turned to young guys, so just popping in to say KZ sucks. That is all.