Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[Mr B]

If Dallas had interest in Oubre for KP back then, then the interest is definitely there. Maybe they sign him to start at SF before re-signing THJ to go over the cap. Holmes for the full MLE and we're done. Simple minor tweaks to the roster. But would that get Dallas over the hump?


C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Oubre / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson

Would that be enough to go against UTA, PHX, LAL, LAC, DEN and POR?

Didn’t Oubre go on a horrible shooting slump after the trade deadline?


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[arkuo]

If Dallas had interest in Oubre for KP back then, then the interest is definitely there. Maybe they sign him to start at SF before re-signing THJ to go over the cap. Holmes for the full MLE and we're done. Simple minor tweaks to the roster. But would that get Dallas over the hump?


C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Oubre / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson

Would that be enough to go against UTA, PHX, LAL, LAC, DEN and POR?

Didn’t Oubre go on a horrible shooting slump after the trade deadline?


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He did. That's why I was surprised they wanted him for KP. If it's a Donnie move or a Bob move, we will never know. But the messaging there is Oubre starts over DFS. They saw the need for an upgrade at the SF spot. DFS and his 8 pts per game isn't cutting it.

[JD45]

If Dallas had interest in Oubre for KP back then, then the interest is definitely there. Maybe they sign him to start at SF before re-signing THJ to go over the cap. Holmes for the full MLE and we're done. Simple minor tweaks to the roster. But would that get Dallas over the hump?


C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Oubre / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson

Would that be enough to go against UTA, PHX, LAL, LAC, DEN and POR?

THJ has a $28 mil cap hold. So even if Richardson opts out, they don't have meaningful cap room until they re-sign or renounce THJ.

[JD45]

If Dallas had interest in Oubre for KP back then, then the interest is definitely there. Maybe they sign him to start at SF before re-signing THJ to go over the cap. Holmes for the full MLE and we're done. Simple minor tweaks to the roster. But would that get Dallas over the hump?


C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Oubre / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson

Would that be enough to go against UTA, PHX, LAL, LAC, DEN and POR?

Didn’t Oubre go on a horrible shooting slump after the trade deadline?


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He did. That's why I was surprised they wanted him for KP. If it's a Donnie move or a Bob move, we will never know. But the messaging there is Oubre starts over DFS. They saw the need for an upgrade at the SF spot. DFS and his 8 pts per game isn't cutting it.

It was impossible under the cap for the Mavs to trade KP to GSW for a package centered around Oubre. So that report is clearly in error.

[JJP]

An reference revisiting the Oubre thing again from Hoopsrumors.com

"The Warriors have interest in retaining Kelly Oubre, but a sign-and-trade remains a viable possibility, according to Fischer, who reports that multiple Spurs players seem eager to add Oubre. Fischer also identifies the Mavericks as a team that may have interest in the veteran forward, citing sources who say Dallas approached the Warriors prior to the trade deadline about a deal involving Oubre and Kristaps Porzingis. It’s unclear whether the Mavs’ front office shakeup would affect their level of interest in Oubre, Fischer adds."

Also, a very good article on the Maverick's need to upgrade its roster.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/6/22/22541848/dallas-mavericks-roster-analysis-new-front-office-luka-doncic-kristaps-porzingis

[Darren]

If Dallas had interest in Oubre for KP back then, then the interest is definitely there. Maybe they sign him to start at SF before re-signing THJ to go over the cap. Holmes for the full MLE and we're done. Simple minor tweaks to the roster. But would that get Dallas over the hump?


C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Oubre / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson

Would that be enough to go against UTA, PHX, LAL, LAC, DEN and POR?

Didn’t Oubre go on a horrible shooting slump after the trade deadline?


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He did. That's why I was surprised they wanted him for KP. If it's a Donnie move or a Bob move, we will never know. But the messaging there is Oubre starts over DFS. They saw the need for an upgrade at the SF spot. DFS and his 8 pts per game isn't cutting it.

I'd rather sign Issacc with offer sheet and force a KP trade. Brunson could be part of Isaac blockcluster. Oubre doesn't solve anything for the Mavs. Much less than Dipo or Dinwiddle. I'm also interested in Rose and Howard. I'd try a Buddy trade. Then sign Ntilikina until NYK have a full roster. Green & J-Rich could be involved in Buddy trade. It depends on who's involved.

C - Howard / Kleber /Tacko?
PF - Doncic / Powell / Bey
SF - Isaac / Finney-Smith / Green
SG - Hield / Hinton / Terry
PG - Rose / Burke / Ntilikina

[arkuo]

Here's a rather difficult question that's I've come across online today.

If the situation came to this, would you trade KP for Ben Simmons straight up?

[JJP]

No. I'm probably in the minority, but I think Simmons will be hard to fix. Reports coming out of Philly is that he doesn't listen, doesn't have much work ethic, and he's been babied. If true, whoever has him is going to need a lot of time.

KP's issue is health. His work ethic is largely unquestioned. There's less to fix. But health is a concern.

[Mr B]

Here's a rather difficult question that's I've come across online today.

If the situation came to this, would you trade KP for Ben Simmons straight up?

I would trade KP for Simmons in a heartbeat. The main reason I would do this trade though is not really for Simmons himself but I think his trade value would hold up better than KP’s trade value. So I would do this trade with the idea of flipping Simmons in a separate trade.


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[JD45]

Here's a rather difficult question that's I've come across online today.

If the situation came to this, would you trade KP for Ben Simmons straight up?

With KP we would be hoping he could get back to the player he was last year. At age 25 that doesn't seem impossible and that makes him an All-Star some years.

With Simmons we would be hoping he develops part of his game that coaches have been trying to get him to develop for the the past 5 years. If he does that, he goes to the Hall of Fame.

Simmons has much higher risk given he needs to do something he has never done before. KP less risk, but also less upside.

And there is one more factor. I think Simmons has a much better chance of succeeding if he is a the 3rd star on a team vs the 2nd star. Take the scoring pressure off him and let him be a Dennis Rodman type player. As his problems are likely mostly mental, less pressure might allow him to actually shoot the ball without fear that every one won't go in.

So, I would love to have Simmons to go along with Luka and KP. I would be very worried that Simmons could handle the pressure if he was the 2nd star to Luka.

[Archx]

These are legit concerns. Even though Ben is a much better defender than KP obviously.

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[JD45]

These are legit concerns. Even though Ben is a much better defender than KP obviously.

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Simmons can create his own shot.

He just won't shoot it.

[Archx]

Simmons can create his own shot.

He just won't shoot it.

Then Mavs should hold on to KP who at least takes and can make his shots.

[JJP]

Lots of reports suggesting a McCollum/Simmons trade.... but the Blazers may actually want more than Simmons for McCollum.

Which gives you some sense of Simmon's value.

[arkuo]

The thing with KP is he will be placed exposed the same way Rudy Gobert got exposed in the playoffs when teams go small and let wings win games. And Rudy was perfectly healthy. I feel like big centers are just a lost cause today especially in a 7 game series. The game has changed.

[gottamakeit]

Lots of reports suggesting a McCollum/Simmons trade.... but the Blazers may actually want more than Simmons for McCollum.

Which gives you some sense of Simmon's value.

It's actually the other way around. 76'ers would rightfully demand more than just CJ McCollum, who will soon turn 30 & is undersized & is a liability on defense.
A team built with Simmon's limitations in mind, could be successful.

[arkuo]

Morey is smart not to build a backcourt of Mccollum and Seth Curry. That tiny backcourt will give up 147 pts in the playoffs.

[leolozon]

I wanted Cameron Payne as a 2nd ballhandler thinking h had great upside, but him playing so well right now would make it tougher to get him.

[Mr B]

The thing with KP is he will be placed exposed the same way Rudy Gobert got exposed in the playoffs when teams go small and let wings win games. And Rudy was perfectly healthy. I feel like big centers are just a lost cause today especially in a 7 game series. The game has changed.

They don’t have the same value they had in the 80’s and 90’s but you do still need bigs. Even with the game going small there are still guys like Jokic, Aston, Giannis, and Imbiid that all like to play inside. If the biggest guy you got is 6’8” he’s going to get destroyed. Do you have to have a true center. Talented bigs like those guys are going to continue being born and will continue to have a place in the NBA. You just have to build a team that can play both ways.


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[HMFFL]

These are legit concerns. Even though Ben is a much better defender than KP obviously.

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Simmons can create his own shot.

He just won't shoot it.

Something has to be going on with Ben outside of basketball in his personal life. I don't believe I have ever seen him play as poorly as he did during the series with Atlanta.


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