2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[DaGawd]

Davion Mitchell is a midget in the NBA..

[Juggynaut]

Davion Mitchell is a midget in the NBA..

Good. That means he might slide to us

[jvsimonetti0514]

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[Marty McFly]

the battles on this board for Suggs or Green would be epic if we had the #2 pick

Team Green…

[WargamesX]

Duarte is Reggie Bullock with a little more spunk and finishing ability.

Even more evidence the Knicks will target him

Yeah the knicks could in theory replace Bullock and Noel with two rookies if they selected Duarte and Jackson. Not flashy but they would replacing guys for cheaper rookies that should provide similar production.

Aka the “lowered expectations” strategy

Not a fan of that because in four years we’ll be complaining about the really good prospect they let slip between their fingers or roleplayers. Regardless of where you draft you got to be fairly sure that you’re getting the best talent. Basketball isn’t football where outside of the QB you’re just looking for bodies to play a system. Talent is too important to winning games in the league to settle.

Don’t even get me started on the fact that even with those guys the Knicks were behind the ball on talent.

[mpharris36]

Even more evidence the Knicks will target him

Yeah the knicks could in theory replace Bullock and Noel with two rookies if they selected Duarte and Jackson. Not flashy but they would replacing guys for cheaper rookies that should provide similar production.

Aka the “lowered expectations” strategy

Not a fan of that because in four years we’ll be complaining about the really good prospect they let slip between their fingers or roleplayers. Regardless of where you draft you got to be fairly sure that you’re getting the best talent. Basketball isn’t football where outside of the QB you’re just looking for bodies to play a system. Talent is too important to winning games in the league to settle.

Don’t even get me started on the fact that even with those guys the Knicks were behind the ball on talent.

I understand your logic but you also have to have realistic expectations. It can go the other way as well where people thought Mikal Bridges had limited upside due to his age and skillset. And we took a high risk player like Knox.

Who do you think we would rather have right now?

I guess your referencing players like Ziare Williamson/BJ Boston/Tre Mann...guys with higher upsides because of there shot creation ability.

But there is value in guys like Duarte/Jackson/Murphy types that fill very important roles in modern day NBA. The chances of you finding a lead offensive playmaker are very slim in the 20's.

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Yikes bad day for mitchell

[TheGreenArrow]

the battles on this board for Suggs or Green would be epic if we had the #2 pick

Not really…..

It would be green #2 without question!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

Moses Moody (+8.5”)
Scottie Lewis (+8”)
Miles McBride (+7.75”)
Scottie Barnes (+7.75”)
Nah’Shon Hyland (+7.25”)

lot of interesting prospects for the knicks in that group

team wingspan.

[mpharris36]

the battles on this board for Suggs or Green would be epic if we had the #2 pick

Not really…..

It would be green #2 without question!!!!!!!!!!!!

sweet dreams Jalen Greens career.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So Bouknight is roughly the same size as IQ?


Draft Ziare Williams.

[TheGreenArrow]

So Bouknight is roughly the same size as IQ?


Draft Ziare Williams.

No way he makes it past okc at #16 though!!!!!

[DOT]

the battles on this board for Suggs or Green would be epic if we had the #2 pick

I've said many times that I really don't care about letting people in on my BaF plans in the draft thread, so I'm kinda split between Suggs, Green, and Mobley

I know Phish is taking Cade, no idea what you're doing at 2, then I figure I'm gonna have to choose between at least 2 of those 3

I'm just a bit miffed there's no top tier wing player in this draft (I have Kuminga at 5, just a bit behind my top 4 for now, not someone I'd love at 3rd), cause that would really fill out my needs, so I'm either gonna have to double up on bigs with Okongwu/Mobley (which seems like a good idea given the sim's love of big men), or form a guard trio with Suggs/Green and Garland/Hayes (who I'm not giving up on yet)

I Scottie Barnes is pretty intriguing as a prospect, for the middle of the lottery. Think he has Aaron Gordon as a floor, but with significant upside.

[DowNY]

If those measurements by Ford for Cooper are correct, he’s absolutely on my board at that 19-21 range. You can fix shooting like Lonzo & RJ proved. Kid is special with the ball and not being Davion Mitchell’s height helps.
People were talking about Cooper like he was Nate Robinson height recently.

[WargamesX]

Cooper and Zaire have some nice stats. I really like Aaron Henry too based on what I see. He might sneak into the first.

I want to see the results of the shooting drills though. Also Neemias as a second round pickup

[mpharris36]

the battles on this board for Suggs or Green would be epic if we had the #2 pick

I've said many times that I really don't care about letting people in on my BaF plans in the draft thread, so I'm kinda split between Suggs, Green, and Mobley

I know Phish is taking Cade, no idea what you're doing at 2, then I figure I'm gonna have to choose between at least 2 of those 3

I'm just a bit miffed there's no top tier wing player in this draft (I have Kuminga at 5, just a bit behind my top 4 for now, not someone I'd love at 3rd), cause that would really fill out my needs, so I'm either gonna have to double up on bigs with Okongwu/Mobley (which seems like a good idea given the sim's love of big men), or form a guard trio with Suggs/Green and Garland/Hayes (who I'm not giving up on yet)

I Scottie Barnes is pretty intriguing as a prospect, for the middle of the lottery. Think he has Aaron Gordon as a floor, but with significant upside.

Yeah I go back and forth on the 3 guys myself (driving me kinda nuts ). Its a great position and a tough position at the same time because you can make strong cases for all 3 guys behind Cade who seems like a lock at #1.

Green - Most offensive upside (for a team like you and I we both still could use a go to option so the intrigue has to be there)
Suggs - Perfect lead guard in todays NBA with pace and space (plays both ends, winner, doesn't have many flaws in his game)
Mobley - Ideal big in todays game (elite rim protection can switch out on the perimeter has a lot of offensive upside if the shot becomes consistant) - like you point out the sim does love bigs.

Kuminga and Barnes are both physically imposing athletes but are enticing because of there playmaking and handle and defensive upside. Both probably are well behind the top 3 because of the rawness of there offensive games.

[WargamesX]

So Bouknight is roughly the same size as IQ?


Draft Ziare Williams.

No way he makes it past okc at #16 though!!!!!

This is why we should try to move up…..

[TheGreenArrow]

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JT THOR FOLKS JT THOR!!!!!!!

[DaGawd]

Knicks social media gotta chill

[DOT]

Yeah I go back and forth on the 3 guys myself (driving me kinda nuts ). Its a great position and a tough position at the same time because you can make strong cases for all 3 guys behind Cade who seems like a lock at #1.

Green - Most offensive upside (for a team like you and I we both still could use a go to option so the intrigue has to be there)
Suggs - Perfect lead guard in todays NBA with pace and space (plays both ends, winner, doesn't have many flaws in his game)
Mobley - Ideal big in todays game (elite rim protection can switch out on the perimeter has a lot of offensive upside if the shot becomes consistant) - like you point out the sim does love bigs.

Kuminga and Barnes are both physically imposing athletes but are enticing because of there playmaking and handle and defensive upside. Both probably are well behind the top 3 because of the rawness of there offensive games.

I'm just sitting comfortably knowing that no matter what happens at 2, I'll get one of my top prospects and live with the results. Not like 2019 when I had 5 and the guy I wanted was Garland. I was so nervous going into that, but thankfully Context took Bol Bol 4th, which has to be the biggest reach by a BaF GM over where their guy went irl ever lol.

I really haven't done all that much looking, especially for guys who are gonna be in the Knicks' range, so my opinions right now come with a grain of salt. I am curious to do a deeper dive into Sharife Cooper, I feel like he fits what Thibs wants, but he can't shoot and scores at a sub-40% in college. Not a total dealbreaker, especially in the mid-late first, but something I need to look into more before coming to a conclusion on him.