2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

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Garuba... Bigger less offensive talented Millsap?...

I like the Millsap comparison. Probably a less prolific scorer, but maybe a more efficient scorer with his 3-point shot developing much earlier in his career. Kinda surprised to see Millsap made 4 All-Star games and just 1 All-Defense team.

Millsap did an anti - kobe, was one of the best defenders at his position for years. I was shocked he didn’t have more All Def teams. Sometimes it is just reputation. The irony though was he does have a great reputation back then so who the heck knows lol.

I mean a less polished Bigger Millsap is a stud pickup in any draft imo.

I'm not as sold on the Millsap comparison. Millsap was alway offensively competent, you couldn't not have a man on him. (20+pts/100 possessions, every year except his rookie year, where he had 19.9) Millsap is his upper limit ( 99% offensively, defensively though, he could be special). His lower end, as someone else said, is Bismack Biyombo...

[Charm]

I like the Millsap comparison. Probably a less prolific scorer, but maybe a more efficient scorer with his 3-point shot developing much earlier in his career. Kinda surprised to see Millsap made 4 All-Star games and just 1 All-Defense team.

Millsap did an anti - kobe, was one of the best defenders at his position for years. I was shocked he didn’t have more All Def teams. Sometimes it is just reputation. The irony though was he does have a great reputation back then so who the heck knows lol.

I mean a less polished Bigger Millsap is a stud pickup in any draft imo.

I'm not as sold on the Millsap comparison. Millsap was alway offensively competent, you couldn't not have a man on him. (20+pts/100 possessions, every year except his rookie year, where he had 19.9) Millsap is his upper limit ( 99% offensively, defensively though, he could be special). His lower end, as someone else said, is Bismack Biyombo...

He's a different player than Millsap offensively, but he's not incompetent. 32% from 3 and 66% from the line are very good numbers for a 18/19 year old big, especially considering the sample size of 133 three point attempts. So it's hard to imagine an outcome where he's a complete non-shooter in the NBA.

Consider that Millsap at the same age was just a freshman at Louisiana Tech...he played another two seasons in college before he entered the draft and went pro, and it wasn't until his age 23/24 season that he finally became an NBA starter and a double-digit scorer, and it wasn't until his age 28/29 season that he finally became an All-Star. If Garuba follows the same developmental trajectory, that'd make him a starter in 2025-26, and an All-Star in 2030-31.

So overall, I don't think Garuba's a lesser offensive talent than Millsap (though again, a different kind of player with his focus on 3-point shooting early in his career). But he is young, and it's gonna be more than a few years before he finishes developing offensively. Whatever team drafts him will have to be patient.

[BadWolf]

He disappeared in the biggest games of the year. Definitely something that gives me pause. A solid gamble in teens, high upside/low floor pick in the twenties. Anything higher sounds risky.

[Charm]

He disappeared in the biggest games of the year. Definitely something that gives me pause. A solid gamble in teens, high upside/low floor pick in the twenties. Anything higher sounds risky.

He did? Out of 5 total playoff elimination games, 4 of them against top-2 teams in Europe, he played a huge role in 3 crunch-time wins.

[DCasey91]

The comparison is just there for gauge of what Garuba can be in the NBA he doesn’t have to be a carbon copy, watch a highlight of Millsap, they do have comparisons. He’s young, Millsap as someone said was older once he became a starter in this league.

[Marcus]

i jumped the gun last time. BUT lotto is manana and

I

AM

STOKED

see who gets what picks and start posting up your mocks. always a good time for some great takes.

[WuTang_CMB]

Cade
Green
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga
Moody (if GS is here)
Barnes (if TOR is here)

[Marcus]

Barnes (if TOR is here)

you see any redundancy in having Scottie and Siakam?

[amcoolio]

Top 3 pick would be nice but I'm actually liking the players around Charlotte's range at 11. We could use any of:

Scottie Barnes
Keon Johnson
Sengun
Corey Kispert
Josh Giddy
James Bouknight
Moses Moody
Zaire Williams
Kai Jones

And at least 3-4 of them will be available at 11 (hopefully Barnes, Sengun or Moody)

[WuTang_CMB]

Barnes (if TOR is here)

you see any redundancy in having Scottie and Siakam?

I personally dont. Barnes is a big wing who can defend and will help OG out. The added playmaking will help our team. You can never have enough. We are too stagnent in half court.

[BostonCouchGM]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

no because the guys at the top aren't as good as everyone is saying nor is this draft class as good as people think either. Players at the top have major flaws imo even though they ARE still very good

Cade-too cool for school
Mobley-6'10" not a 7 footer like everyone has been saying and he's very slight of build with a terrible base. He's a 4 not a 5
Suggs-not the best handle or shot, limited upside
Kuminga-can't shoot and has awful BBIQ
Barnes-problem child/malcontent rumors, can't shoot
Mitchell-limited physically

Green is going to be a superstar in the Kobe vein. Any team that passes on him because of need will look stupid. He's a no-brainer and should go #1. After that it's pick your poison. I think there IS a drop after the first 6 but it's not a crazy drop and there will be some nice starters found throughout the lottery and into the 20s. This doesn't appear to be nearly as deep a draft class as last seasons. It kills me that the Celtics had to give up the #16 pick to get out from under Kemba's contract. Can't wait to lose Tatum because Danny had a disastrous last couple of years and he won't want to stay.

[babyjax13]

Defensively I think one of the better comps for Garuba is actually Draymond Green ... but offensively, it is certainly not.

[Marcus]

Cade-too cool for school
Mobley-6'10" not a 7 footer like everyone has been saying and he's very slight of build with a terrible base. He's a 4 not a 5
Suggs-not the best handle or shot, limited upside
Kuminga-can't shoot and has awful BBIQ
Barnes-problem child/malcontent rumors, can't shoot
Mitchell-limited physically

elaborate on ALL of this please. primarily the bolded

[babyjax13]

Hell yah, Raptors, moving up!

[BostonCouchGM]

Cade-too cool for school
Mobley-6'10" not a 7 footer like everyone has been saying and he's very slight of build with a terrible base. He's a 4 not a 5
Suggs-not the best handle or shot, limited upside
Kuminga-can't shoot and has awful BBIQ
Barnes-problem child/malcontent rumors, can't shoot
Mitchell-limited physically

elaborate on ALL of this please. primarily the bolded

lol at your tone. too funny

too cool for school is a demeanor I've noticed several players that have failed to live up to expectations exhibit. They barely show emotion either highs or lows like you see from most everyone else. Seems like these type of personalities usually aren't going to outwork other guys, see their faults and work to overcome them and are coddled on and off the court. I like Cade and I hope he's closer to Kawhi in personality than Ben Simmons, Fultz, and Ingram....other guys I consider to be "too cool for school" who won't reach their full potential.

I don't know how accurate these rumors were but there was talk that Barnes lacked maturity and didn't work on his game while at FSU. He always seems like he had a high motor when I saw him so who knows if the rumors are true.

Mitchell measured at just 6' with a less than impressive 6'4" wingspan. I still see at minimum Lowry type impact though but it does limit his upside.

[CptCrunch]

I really don't like Cade being semi-locked into #1.

I do not believe he is significantly better than Mobley or Green.

Houston and Cleveland might actually luck out on Detroit drafting the semi-consensus #1 pick Cade.

With the negative Barnes rumor circulating around not just this week, some private investigators are are going down to Tallahassee to poke around I bet. The man measures out like a living Gawd.

[Marcus]

First I'm ever hearing about Scottie being any sort of problem. Always came across by all accounts as a hardworking kid and team first player.

[clyde21]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

no because the guys at the top aren't as good as everyone is saying nor is this draft class as good as people think either. Players at the top have major flaws imo even though they ARE still very good

Cade-too cool for school
Mobley-6'10" not a 7 footer like everyone has been saying and he's very slight of build with a terrible base. He's a 4 not a 5
Suggs-not the best handle or shot, limited upside
Kuminga-can't shoot and has awful BBIQ
Barnes-problem child/malcontent rumors, can't shoot
Mitchell-limited physically

Green is going to be a superstar in the Kobe vein. Any team that passes on him because of need will look stupid. He's a no-brainer and should go #1. After that it's pick your poison. I think there IS a drop after the first 6 but it's not a crazy drop and there will be some nice starters found throughout the lottery and into the 20s. This doesn't appear to be nearly as deep a draft class as last seasons. It kills me that the Celtics had to give up the #16 pick to get out from under Kemba's contract. Can't wait to lose Tatum because Danny had a disastrous last couple of years and he won't want to stay.

terrible post

[ROballer]

I'd bet serious money Cleveland screws it up and breaks up the immortal 4.

Detroit is taking Cade.
Houston is taking Green.

Cleveland has Jarrett Allen and Sexton/Garland on their team so they'll pass on either Mobley/Suggs based on need even though they shouldn't.

[God Squad]

I'd bet serious money Cleveland screws it up and breaks up the immortal 4.

Detroit is taking Cade.
Houston is taking Green.

Cleveland has Jarrett Allen and Sexton/Garland on their team so they'll pass on either Mobley/Suggs based on need even though they shouldn't.

Personally think/hope they go for Kuminga.