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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#901 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:38 pm

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He projected more like a Saric than a Zizic, he's always played like a SF but a bit taller, so SF/PF, he isn't a big.

In the NBA, he might not be able to defend anyone but Jianlian's chair... it's hard to say because he's been two years playing against weak competition (probably advice comes from his dad, a former player). He was one of the best 2001 International players before going to the NCAA, he might be a pleasant surprise or a bust, but at #46 it's not a big deal.

We'll see.

I don't see Aldama playing the 4 in the NBA. He's not quick enough laterally to defend smaller/quicker wings out on the perimeter.

There's a couple of clips here where wings easily get by him off the dribble, and this is facing really weak low-D1 competition:
http://jtmbasketball.blogspot.com/2021/02/diggin-in-tape-part-1-santi-aldama.html

I see Aldama as a 5. A stretch 5...5 who's 6'11" and can shoot 3's like a Myles Turner / Vucevic / Towns type..

With that being said, A guy like Aldama who can handle the basketball well, has good dribble drive moves, good passer, good motor, can score and rebound at will, can score inside and is a 36.8% shooter from 3 and decent rim protector at 6'11" and only 20 years old, is arguably a top 20 prospect in this draft but since he seems to be so unknown, seems like a good chance he'll still be there with our 45th pick so might be hard to pass up.

Aldama is kind of like EJ Onu - a dude who came out of nowhere, wasn't on any big boards or mock drafts and then people realize he's 6'11" and shooting over 36% from 3, smooth form from 3, blocking shots, moves well on the court for a guy that size but kinda hard to gauge just how good he is due to weak competition. Can shoot the 3 but projects as a stretch 5 rather than a stretch 4 due to questions about defense / lateral quickness / switchability.

I think you'd have to rank Aldama over Onu though because a) 2 years younger so more of a window to develop b) better handle, better dribble drive moves c) more agile/nimble around the basket d) better passer and e) Patriot League is better competition than NAIA

Both are really intriguing players. Both could turn out to be a steal for a team that nabs them late 1st or early-mid 2nd round, puts them on the G-league team for a year as they refine their skill and get into a strength/weight training program and after that they could both turn out to be really good stretch 5's..


Aldama might be a 5 in the same way Kelly Olynyk is a 5... I'd say he'll probably be a slow 4, though his offensive skills could make up for that as a rotation player. But there's a chance he will grow and develop into a (poor man) Pau Gasol type of player who can hold his own on the defensive side of the ball while thriving on offense.

Aldama was the MVP in the 2019 U18 Eurobasket, so he's coming out of nowhere because he chose to join the Patriot League and that means no exposure. The NCAA isn't a good environment to project what a player can be at the next level. In that regard, it's a low level league, even if lots of American kids (and some from abroad) are hugely talented, so I find it difficult to predict how they will adapt to the NBA. IMO, is easier to know with kids from Euroleague. If Aldama competed, like Garuba did, against the best in Europe, he would've boosted his development and rank higher in the mock drafts, but instead he's stuck in a weak competition. Again, there's the educational side, so I guess in the long run he took the right decision even if he'll lose some millions in the process.

If Celtics pick him, I hope he shocks the world and develops into an unstoppable two-way beast, like with every Celtic rookie.

He's got a crazy amount of upside at pick 45 if he's still there, that's for sure.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#902 » by playa-hater » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:03 pm

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Ugh. Another Grant?


Did you watch the video? Check out other scouting reports? His game is different from Grant's, and he's bigger (6'8" vs 6'6"). His weight certainly differentiates him from most PFs, but that is not necessarily a tick in a downside box. In his case it is more of an asset.

Ok, I am fully onboard with picking Gray. This dude is a beast. I checked out the highlights of his game vs Wake Forest where he had 24 points, 12 rebounds 4 assists and 3 steals. Dude hit clutch FTs at the end, then made a nice pas length of the floor to Scottie Barnes for a dunk that extended their lead and then iced the win with a weak side block. He was 7/10 from the floor and 10/10 from FT line that game, hell yeah.

I was skeptical at first since he's 6'8" and 260 lbs so figured he'd be slow and not skilled but he's actually the opposite. Handles the ball, beats people off the dribble and passes like a guard, crazy quickness/burst for a dude of that size. Looks like he has a great motor, really plays hard and hustles, a beast on the boards and makes some highlight reel blocks, highlight reel dunks, good finisher. Will have to work on his outside shot but I like this kid. Also, since he's 21 and has 3 years college experience, he is more a finished product, less raw - so will be ready to contribute right away rather than needing a bunch of time to develop - which is important for the Celtics who want to win now. A guy like Greg Brown or JT has a higher ceiling but will need more time to develop.

Gray appears to be a pretty similar prospect to Jeremiah Robinson-earl.
Gray = quicker off the dribble
Gray = stronger and uses strength to muscle for rebounds, and buckets inside
Robinson-Earl = 1 inch taller
Robinson-Earl = 1 year younger
Wash = both good perimeter defenders who are highly switchable
Robinson = slightly better outside shooter
Gray = tiny edge in passing
Wash = rebounding
Overall = Robinson-Earl has to get the edge due to being 1 inch taller, 1 year younger, better shooter. But I'm ranking Gray right behind him. Gray is better value pick since he is projected to go like 15-20 picks later than Robinson-Earl. Seems very unlikely that Robinson-Earl will still be there at 45 but seems very likely that Gray will be. Either of them would clearly be better than Grant Williams or Parker IMO..both project well as a stretch 4 / small ball 5.

My up-dated list of targets with pick 45 (ranked in no particular order)

Robinson-Earl
Greg Brown
Thor
Raiquan Gray
Isaiah Todd

I'm cool with any one of these 5 and think each could be a strong addition to the team.


Upon taking a closer look, and keeping in my top criteria as a switch-able defender and shooter, Gray is reasonably good and would fit us nicely. Would not have a problem drafting him. Don't know where I would rank him as a hopeful in rd 2 yet.

I will try to have a ranking list for my self pre-combine.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#903 » by winsomme2 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:14 pm

For a second rounder I think best value is in a scorer or a shooter.

I would love to get:

Max Abmas
Nah'shon Hyland
Mathew Hurt
johnny Juzang
DJ Steward
Quentin Grimes

Unless someone drops and they try to trade up.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#904 » by Half-Full » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:05 pm

winsomme2 wrote:For a second rounder I think best value is in a scorer or a shooter.

I would love to get:

Max Abmas
Nah'shon Hyland
Mathew Hurt
johnny Juzang
DJ Steward
Quentin Grimes

Unless someone drops and they try to trade up.


How about Kessler Edwards? Good size (6'8" and 7' wingspan). 38% 3pt avg, and 88% FT avg.

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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#905 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:37 pm

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winsomme2 wrote:For a second rounder I think best value is in a scorer or a shooter.

I would love to get:

Max Abmas
Nah'shon Hyland
Mathew Hurt
johnny Juzang
DJ Steward
Quentin Grimes

Unless someone drops and they try to trade up.


How about Kessler Edwards? Good size (6'8" and 7' wingspan). 38% 3pt avg, and 88% FT avg.


At first glance sounds like a Trey Murphy clone except Murphy is 1 inch taller and slightly better shooter. Then again, Murphy is much more likely to be gone in the first 44 picks, whereas Edwards it seems like will still be on the board.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#906 » by captain green » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Johnny is gone by 2bd rd but I think the dude can flat out play
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#907 » by winsomme2 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:50 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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winsomme2 wrote:For a second rounder I think best value is in a scorer or a shooter.

I would love to get:

Max Abmas
Nah'shon Hyland
Mathew Hurt
johnny Juzang
DJ Steward
Quentin Grimes

Unless someone drops and they try to trade up.


How about Kessler Edwards? Good size (6'8" and 7' wingspan). 38% 3pt avg, and 88% FT avg.


At first glance sounds like a Trey Murphy clone except Murphy is 1 inch taller and slightly better shooter. Then again, Murphy is much more likely to be gone in the first 44 picks, whereas Edwards it seems like will still be on the board.


He's looking a little like Saddiq Bey to me with his funky shot and bigger body. I definitely think he'd be an interesting pick.

Max Abmas is really catching my eye at the moment. Can flat out score.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#908 » by djFan71 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:07 am

Can't believe we didn't move up from #45 in the lottery. Total BS.

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Post#909 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:20 am

No way in hell this guy will still be there at 45:

Read on Twitter
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The good news is, we could get a similar player (Greg Brown) who likely will still be available..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#910 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:22 am

djFan71 wrote:Can't believe we didn't move up from #45 in the lottery. Total BS.

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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#911 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:25 am

winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
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How about Kessler Edwards? Good size (6'8" and 7' wingspan). 38% 3pt avg, and 88% FT avg.


At first glance sounds like a Trey Murphy clone except Murphy is 1 inch taller and slightly better shooter. Then again, Murphy is much more likely to be gone in the first 44 picks, whereas Edwards it seems like will still be on the board.


He's looking a little like Saddiq Bey to me with his funky shot and bigger body. I definitely think he'd be an interesting pick.

Max Abmas is really catching my eye at the moment. Can flat out score.


His shooting reminds me more of Ty Warren. Either way love Wings with size, so I am still in on him.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#912 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:36 am

Hal14 wrote:No way in hell this guy will still be there at 45:

Read on Twitter
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The good news is, we could get a similar player (Greg Brown) who likely will still be available..


why do you say likely??
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#913 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:40 am

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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#914 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:55 am

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Hal14 wrote:No way in hell this guy will still be there at 45:

Read on Twitter
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1407461103194476547%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2045544

The good news is, we could get a similar player (Greg Brown) who likely will still be available..


why do you say likely??

Seems like he is going later than 45 in mocks/big boards i'm seeing lately..
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Post#915 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:02 am

Bye bye, Grant Williams and Semi Ojeleye. We'll no longer be needing your services. Moses Wright is way better and will likely be available at pick 45..

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Post#916 » by Celtics_History_Lesson » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:28 am

Don't want Sandro Mamukelashvili.

Takes too long to say his last name.



Nikos Rogkavopoulos.

Same.


Was Jay Huff someone who was looked at last year? Doesn't really fill a role with M Brown, maybe Kornet, for bench roles.


Matthew Hurt hurt his draft chances with a bad first year. Maybe a bargain choice now.



Vrenz Bleijenbergh will be the pick?

Celtics go overseas to not add someone, to fill a roster spot and money.

Big player with point guard skills.



For a team with no NBA power forwards and no first rounder, the Celtics are sad as always and about to add a shooting guard who cannot shoot.


Celtics will probably waste their pick on Aaron Wiggins. Give four year contract, then waive him when they see he isn't undersized.
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Post#917 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:18 am

Hal14 wrote:Bye bye, Grant Williams and Semi Ojeleye. We'll no longer be needing your services. Moses Wright is way better and will likely be available at pick 45..



definitely a good find. I don't mind seniors either. shooting a plus. don't think he is quick enough to be a four-man defensively, but a decent 4-5 man.
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Post#918 » by winsomme2 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:22 am

Definitely adding Jason Preston to my list.

Love his change of pace game. Would be great in the pick and roll too. Big scoring guard who can run an offense.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#919 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:34 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Bye bye, Grant Williams and Semi Ojeleye. We'll no longer be needing your services. Moses Wright is way better and will likely be available at pick 45..



definitely a good find. I don't mind seniors either. shooting a plus. don't think he is quick enough to be a four-man defensively, but a decent 4-5 man.

Yeah he does kind of seem like more of a stretch 5 than a stretch 4. All of the defensive clips are him blocking shots at the rim, rather than locking people down on the perimeter which is moreso what we need.

I'd rather get a stretch 4 who can really lock people down on the perimeter, move his feet, switch on screens but also has some ability to defend inside and block shots. .that's moreso like a Greg Brown type..

With that being said, there's a few drives in that Wright video where he looked awfully similar to Siakam. And Siakam is an ideal Stretch 4 type of guy, so maybe Wright can play some 4..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#920 » by Half-Full » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:06 pm

winsomme2 wrote:Definitely adding Jason Preston to my list.

Love his change of pace game. Would be great in the pick and roll too. Big scoring guard who can run an offense.


I really like this kid too. He's a playmaker, and that is certainly something we need. He has an interesting back story (I posted a link to it previously). While he is not one of those speedster, super athletic types, he brings a lot of good to the table. Shooting, passing, nice runner/floater, deep range. He has good size for a PG too.

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