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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#41 » by Stillwater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:09 pm

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Players get naturally stronger over time. Thing I like he’s definitely a wing size proposition that does what he does very well.

Maybe but he probably can't bench his own weight right now. I like the athleticism and looks like decent length etc but outside of catch and shoot what is he for the duration of his first contract? I don't think he goes in the first but you never know those % are pretty impressive


He certainly has defensive capabilities that’s 100% for sure.

Watching him closely his foot speed isn’t the greatest and can be late on rotations

But here’s the kicker which makes me not concerned about it, his awareness of actually where he needs to be is sound even if it’s late (awareness and focus mostly not where wtf do I need to go) once he gets there his actual body position is great, deep, solid and contests well on the outer. But that slow rotation happens on occasions not for the most part. Positionally he’s very good for young players.
Laments terms he knows where to be and what to do it isn’t a learning curve thing for him. It’s there

Some nba players today once they get lost haven’t got a clue on where they need to be. And these are NBA players that have played for years. It isn’t playing without effort simply they don’t know where to be when there is a mess of screening/pnr/transition fast moving parts going around.

Face up he’s very good once again it’s the wing size and the fundamentals that is transferable.

A high lvl 3 ball specialist + perimeter/man on man defense is always of value in the NBA. That already puts you at pick 30 and higher in any draft.

Like he is as advertised which already gives you a very safe floor to work even if his development won’t be sky high. A 40% 3 ball and a plus defender you are going to spend years in the NBA. The strength may not be A one but for a wing you don’t have to have incredible strength.

Thats a lot of optimism (the floor part as well) for a kid who is not a good passer rebounder or ball handler 3 major assets to any prospects resume.
If you are right he probably will be a major steal I think he probably will have a chance to make it in on a 2-way contract or get stashed in the g-league by the Bucks taking a flier on him at 31
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#42 » by DCasey91 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:35 pm

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Stillwater wrote:Maybe but he probably can't bench his own weight right now. I like the athleticism and looks like decent length etc but outside of catch and shoot what is he for the duration of his first contract? I don't think he goes in the first but you never know those % are pretty impressive


He certainly has defensive capabilities that’s 100% for sure.

Watching him closely his foot speed isn’t the greatest and can be late on rotations

But here’s the kicker which makes me not concerned about it, his awareness of actually where he needs to be is sound even if it’s late (awareness and focus mostly not where wtf do I need to go) once he gets there his actual body position is great, deep, solid and contests well on the outer. But that slow rotation happens on occasions not for the most part. Positionally he’s very good for young players.
Laments terms he knows where to be and what to do it isn’t a learning curve thing for him. It’s there

Some nba players today once they get lost haven’t got a clue on where they need to be. And these are NBA players that have played for years. It isn’t playing without effort simply they don’t know where to be when there is a mess of screening/pnr/transition fast moving parts going around.

Face up he’s very good once again it’s the wing size and the fundamentals that is transferable.

A high lvl 3 ball specialist + perimeter/man on man defense is always of value in the NBA. That already puts you at pick 30 and higher in any draft.

Like he is as advertised which already gives you a very safe floor to work even if his development won’t be sky high. A 40% 3 ball and a plus defender you are going to spend years in the NBA. The strength may not be A one but for a wing you don’t have to have incredible strength.

Thats a lot of optimism (the floor part as well) for a kid who is not a good passer rebounder or ball handler 3 major assets to any prospects resume.
If you are right he probably will be a major steal I think he probably will have a chance to make it in on a 2-way contract or get stashed in the g-league by the Bucks taking a flier on him at 31


That’s fair enough his main attributes which I’m solely looking for his role in the NBA is highly highly valued for every NBA team and it’s transferable. Any pick after 25 is a steal for me. (Every draft doesn’t have 25 keeper/make it picks anyway.)
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#43 » by Almost Retired » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:30 pm

To be a real steal a player has to vastly outplay his Draft position, so probably a Second Rounder. Possible 2nd Round candidates that could outplay their Draft slot include Joel Ayayi, Mikes McBride, Isaiah Todd, Josh Christopher, and Johnny Juzang. And for a real long shot little Max Abmas from Oral Roberts.
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Post#44 » by PhilBlackson » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:11 pm

Upperclass wrote:Josh Christopher if he doesnt go top 10


Reminds me a lot of Kevin Porter Jr without the off court issues which could be a helluva player. Personally I think it's crazy most boards don't even have him in the end of the lottery discussion.
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#45 » by Bensational » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:24 am

Ayo Dosunmu, Tre Mann, JT Thor and Vrenz Bleijenbergh are the names that have me most excited outside of the lottery.

Giddey and Sengun are lottery picks who I think could really outperform some of the names taken above them.
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Post#46 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:35 pm

Some sleepers I'm liking are Miles McBride, Trey Murphy, Roko Prkacin, EJ Onu, Jared Butler and DJ Carton
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#47 » by timani » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:25 pm

I think Herbert Jones from Alabama will outplay his draft slot by quite a bit.
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Post#48 » by Stillwater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:34 am

Barnes if he doesnt go 3 to CLE will be a steal to anyone after that.
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#49 » by nicnac215 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:19 am

Stillwater wrote:Barnes if he doesnt go 3 to CLE will be a steal to anyone after that.

I agree. If his standing reach is really 9’ then he is like a baby Giannis
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#50 » by Upperclass » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:35 am

He literally plays nothing like Giannis. Closer to Josh Howard
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#51 » by Catchall » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:50 am

I'm starting to think that in the right situation and with the right coaching, Brandon Boston can be pre-injury Shaun Livingston with a jump shot. I'm not kidding. It's a bit of a gamble, and he'd need a year or two to develop.

I'm starting to think the Jazz should take him at #30 if he's there.
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#52 » by fteru6uhre54ew » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:08 am

Usman. I saw this kid since 13 a lot of games and I know what type of player he is. You don't going to be wrong drafting him in whatever position on the draft you want he is a really solid player to contribute. He already saw the professionalism long time ago the good and the bad things and understand the concepts of the highest level of basketball he doesn't need to adapt to the level of the Nba to much he already played two season of 80+ games versus the best teams in Europe and the best league with a lot of former Nba players and a lot of players that could play in the Nba. He is not a prospect that can be more tall and all that stuff he is going to be a much better player because he is so young and a hardworker with an special mentality and if the team who draft him use him to grow in the right direction in the best position for him he is going to be an amazing player but his floor is a really solid player to contribute in a lot of aspects now with a nonstop motor who plays with an amazing passion and a born winner.
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Post#53 » by SamFlow » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:45 am

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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#54 » by Spens1 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:15 am

Sengun i'd say is the biggest steal potentially, you don't average 19/9 in europe and at a big club like Besiktas in a very good league like the turkish league.

He could end up being the biggest star in this draft easily and a bunch of teams could end up feeling really dumb for passing him up.

The big issue is he can't shoot. tankathon has him at 11 and nbadraft.net (not that they're the height of reliability) have him going at the start of the second.

I'd take him as high as 6th potentially, i'd even rate him potentially higher than Kuminga specifically for Orlando's situation (since they have an athletic wing, though they do have Bamba who does have potential as a defensive centre)
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Post#55 » by fteru6uhre54ew » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:08 pm

Spens1 wrote:Sengun i'd say is the biggest steal potentially, you don't average 19/9 in europe and at a big club like Besiktas in a very good league like the turkish league.

He could end up being the biggest star in this draft easily and a bunch of teams could end up feeling really dumb for passing him up.

The big issue is he can't shoot. tankathon has him at 11 and nbadraft.net (not that they're the height of reliability) have him going at the start of the second.

I'd take him as high as 6th potentially, i'd even rate him potentially higher than Kuminga specifically for Orlando's situation (since they have an athletic wing, though they do have Bamba who does have potential as a defensive centre)

I didn't saw him play only highlights but I can tell you that he couldn't have the impact on a team like Madrid like Usman has it. He didn't play at the biggest level in Europe and u have guys like him similars in Europe that has done it similar things like Zizic even this one played in Darussafaka doing well in the playoffs of the Euroleague or Hernangomez when he was in the Acb or Bitadze he remember me of this guys a good talented player on offense with athletics limitations to play at the 5 in the Nba.
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#56 » by LofJ » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:00 pm

If Jaden Springer slips out of the lottery he will be a steal. He's better than Keon Johnson, James Bouknight, Davion Mitchell, and Jared Butler. He's the best guard prospect in this draft after Green and Suggs. He has high basketball IQ, can pass, shoot, and defend. He's also one of the youngest players in this class. If Moody and Wagner are off the board at 11 I hope the Hornets draft him.
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#57 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:08 pm

Catchall wrote:I'm starting to think that in the right situation and with the right coaching, Brandon Boston can be pre-injury Shaun Livingston with a jump shot. I'm not kidding. It's a bit of a gamble, and he'd need a year or two to develop.

I'm starting to think the Jazz should take him at #30 if he's there.

I like Boston a lot too. There's enough upside there that it's definitely worth taking a flier on him anywhere outside the top 20.

He seems similar to Ziaire Williams. Both big but skinny wings. Both solid defenders, solid passers. Both were 5 star recruits coming out of HS with lofty expectations on them as freshman that they didn't live up to. Ziaire is longer but I think Boston is more of a 3 level scorer cause he finishes better inside through contact. Ziaire is probably the better NBA prospect but it's very close IMO..
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Re: Who will be the steal of the 2021 draft? 

Post#58 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:16 pm

LofJ wrote:If Jaden Springer slips out of the lottery he will be a steal. He's better than Keon Johnson, James Bouknight, Davion Mitchell, and Jared Butler. He's the best guard prospect in this draft after Green and Suggs. He has high basketball IQ, can pass, shoot, and defend. He's also one of the youngest players in this class. If Moody and Wagner are off the board at 11 I hope the Hornets draft him.

Springer would seem to be an odd pick for the Hornets. Isn't PG the one position where they already have someone in place for the foreseeable future?
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Post#59 » by niQ » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:20 pm

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Post#60 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:20 pm

DJ Carton is not in anyone's top 50 picks and most mocks have him going undrafted, some even have him outside their top 100.

C'mon now, this dude is a baller! He makes it look so easy. The way he handles the ball, creates space, gets into the lane, hits floater, makes pinpoint passes to the roll man making it look so natural and effortless, hits 3's, gets steals. Could be a steal for sure for whoever takes him late 2nd round..

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