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where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ?

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Where do they pick this time? 7th is the greatest odds

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Re: where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ? 

Post#21 » by Revenged25 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:16 am

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Stillwater wrote:Cavs need spacing but I am thinking they will be taking Barnes at 3... he is killing it at the combine has everything else they need besides shooting and they can get more of it just by setting up the guards to shoot more,playing off him.esp if get Windler and Wade more run and maybe buy a early 2nd or late first for another 3/d guy.
I think Green won't want to be in CLE and won't want to share the rock with Sexland at all, so unless they plan on making trades he is not the prospect on top of the bb for fast forwarding anything.


I mean everyone is talking about who to trade to make room for who is picked at #3, what about the option of trading #3 for a younger All-Star?


Do you know of any teams that are currently willing to trade a young All-Star for a draft pick?


Maybe Brandon Ingram? NOP with BI wasn't able to make the playoffs so they might be willing to look to try and get a fresh young player to pair with Zion.
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Post#22 » by LivingLegend » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:22 am

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I mean everyone is talking about who to trade to make room for who is picked at #3, what about the option of trading #3 for a younger All-Star?


Do you know of any teams that are currently willing to trade a young All-Star for a draft pick?


Maybe Brandon Ingram? NOP with BI wasn't able to make the playoffs so they might be willing to look to try and get a fresh young player to pair with Zion.


That sounds great and all, but I highly doubt David Griffin would do business with the Cavs organization.
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Post#23 » by Stillwater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:38 am

If the Cavs trade anything it will be down from 3 to 5 and 8 with Orlando imo.
They could maybe figure out a deal to get Okeke or Hampton in the process.
I dont think there will be any shortage of offers for the pick given one of Suggs or Green are highly likley to be there.
I also would not put it past Koby FKN Altman to draft one of them and not trade either Sexland or Okoro.
I want Kuminga or Barnes badly for this roster if they dont make any trades and really are committed to Sexland.
I don't see too many ways Mobley falls.
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Post#24 » by Harper4Ferry? » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:43 am

Former Cavalier Cameron Payne is doing great tonight
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Post#25 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:44 am

Stillwater wrote:If the Cavs trade anything it will be down from 3 to 5 and 8 with Orlando imo.
They could maybe figure out a deal to get Okeke or Hampton in the process.
I dont think there will be any shortage of offers for the pick given one of Suggs or Green are highly likley to be there.
I also would not put it past Koby FKN Altman to draft one of them and not trade either Sexland or Okoro.
I want Kuminga or Barnes badly for this roster if they dont make any trades and really are committed to Sexland.
I don't see too many ways Mobley falls.
If Altman trades out of the top 3 for anyone not named Jaylen Brown, I just don't know man.

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ? 

Post#26 » by Stillwater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:47 am

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Stillwater wrote:If the Cavs trade anything it will be down from 3 to 5 and 8 with Orlando imo.
They could maybe figure out a deal to get Okeke or Hampton in the process.
I dont think there will be any shortage of offers for the pick given one of Suggs or Green are highly likley to be there.
I also would not put it past Koby FKN Altman to draft one of them and not trade either Sexland or Okoro.
I want Kuminga or Barnes badly for this roster if they dont make any trades and really are committed to Sexland.
I don't see too many ways Mobley falls.
If Altman trades out of the top 3 for anyone not named Jaylen Brown, I just don't know man.

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I mean 5 still gets them 1 of Barnes or Kuminga most likely so I could see it if those are their fit picks esp also getting 8
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Re: where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ? 

Post#27 » by Harper4Ferry? » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:51 am

#3, Prince(or Cedi)(or even Nance) for #7/14/Wiseman?
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Post#28 » by LivingLegend » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:00 am

Harper4Ferry? wrote:#3, Prince(or Cedi)(or even Nance) for #7/14/Wiseman?


I dont know if the Cavs need anymore quantity over quality. From what Altman was sounding like, they want 1 All Star level guy to sort of take the current 'core 4' to the next level much like Chris Paul did for Phoenix.

I think they stay at #3 and shoot their shot with the highest ceiling prospect available (Green or Mobley) or find some sort of trade partner like Boston for Brown, New Orleans for Ingram or Chicago for Lavine, Portland for McCollum or Philly for Simmons. Those are the 5 'All Star level players' I can see being made available in a trade this offseason if the price is right.
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Post#29 » by Harper4Ferry? » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:09 am

We need to steal Luke Kennard off the Clippers.
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Post#30 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:10 am

Harper4Ferry? wrote:#3, Prince(or Cedi)(or even Nance) for #7/14/Wiseman?
No. Stop this. It's a 4 player draft if you're higher on Suggs than I am.

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ? 

Post#31 » by LivingLegend » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:23 am

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Harper4Ferry? wrote:#3, Prince(or Cedi)(or even Nance) for #7/14/Wiseman?
No. Stop this. It's a 4 player draft if you're higher on Suggs than I am.

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For what it's worth, Chris Fedor had back to back tweets saying 1) The Cavs draft room went "YESSS" and 2) No one should rule out Suggs

Not sure if he knows anything but he does seem to know inside details about what the Cavs are looking to do most of the time.
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Re: where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ? 

Post#32 » by KuruptedCav » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:51 am

Don’t trade down. It’s too hard to get up there. I’m all for picking up a pick in the 6-10 range to target a wing. I like Barnes/Moses.

To get there, can trade Sexton, Garland, Okoro, Nance, Windler, future picks to make it happen. Should be able to work out something.

If Suggs is the guy at #3, then Garland or Sexton has to be out.

If Green is the guy, Sexton has to be out. But, possibly not right away.

If Mobley, he slots at PF. Needs to hit the gym before playing C.

If it’s Cunningham, who I think ends up in Cleveland via trade, he slots into SF.


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Post#33 » by mg » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:27 am

I liked Barnes or Kaminga for the Cavs. Now it's a really tough call. Mobley seems like a no brainer if he's there. I just have a feeling Altman might trade the pick though. He seems super committed to the Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen core and was gushing over the 4 of them tonight. I don't see him drafting Green or Suggs who are redundant...who knows how it will play out. I'm guessing the pressure is squarely on Koby to make the playoffs next season.
In an ideal world it would be nice to trade down 2 spots and take either Kuminga or Barnes plus pickup an extra pick or young player such as Okeke.
Wouldn't be surprised if he trades for a youngish vet. Not sure it's the smart thing to do but Ingram and/or Simmons could possibly be had for the 3rd pick and elevate them instantly to a playoff type team in the EC. Basically the core would be set for better or worse at that point.
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Post#34 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:33 am

mg wrote:I liked Barnes or Kaminga for the Cavs. Now it's a really tough call. Mobley seems like a no brainer if he's there. I just have a feeling Altman might trade the pick though. He seems super committed to the Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen core and was gushing over the 4 of them tonight. I don't see him drafting Green or Suggs who are redundant...who knows how it will play out. I'm guessing the pressure is squarely on Koby to make the playoffs next season.
In an ideal world it would be nice to trade down 2 spots and take either Kuminga or Barnes plus pickup an extra pick or young player such as Okeke.
Wouldn't be surprised if he trades for a youngish vet. Not sure it's the smart thing to do but Ingram and/or Simmons could possibly be had for the 3rd pick and elevate them instantly to a playoff type team in the EC. Basically the core would be set for better or worse at that point.
They're not committed to going forward with both Sexton and Garland. Sexton's likely getting traded.

If Ingram or Brown is on the table for No. 3, that's a conversation. Simmons is not a conversation..

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#35 » by LivingLegend » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:40 am

mg wrote:I liked Barnes or Kaminga for the Cavs. Now it's a really tough call. Mobley seems like a no brainer if he's there. I just have a feeling Altman might trade the pick though. He seems super committed to the Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen core and was gushing over the 4 of them tonight. I don't see him drafting Green or Suggs who are redundant...who knows how it will play out. I'm guessing the pressure is squarely on Koby to make the playoffs next season.
In an ideal world it would be nice to trade down 2 spots and take either Kuminga or Barnes plus pickup an extra pick or young player such as Okeke.
Wouldn't be surprised if he trades for a youngish vet. Not sure it's the smart thing to do but Ingram and/or Simmons could possibly be had for the 3rd pick and elevate them instantly to a playoff type team in the EC. Basically the core would be set for better or worse at that point.


After reading the article that came out yesterday about everybody in the Cavs front office gushing over Garland and think he is a Super Star in the making---hes not going anywhere.

Sexton is the obvious trade candidate but idk who would really want him or what his value would be. It seems like the Cavs like Sexton more than the rest of the league likes Sexton.
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Post#36 » by Stillwater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:47 am

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mg wrote:I liked Barnes or Kaminga for the Cavs. Now it's a really tough call. Mobley seems like a no brainer if he's there. I just have a feeling Altman might trade the pick though. He seems super committed to the Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen core and was gushing over the 4 of them tonight. I don't see him drafting Green or Suggs who are redundant...who knows how it will play out. I'm guessing the pressure is squarely on Koby to make the playoffs next season.
In an ideal world it would be nice to trade down 2 spots and take either Kuminga or Barnes plus pickup an extra pick or young player such as Okeke.
Wouldn't be surprised if he trades for a youngish vet. Not sure it's the smart thing to do but Ingram and/or Simmons could possibly be had for the 3rd pick and elevate them instantly to a playoff type team in the EC. Basically the core would be set for better or worse at that point.
They're not committed to going forward with both Sexton and Garland. Sexton's likely getting traded.

If Ingram or Brown is on the table for No. 3, that's a conversation. Simmons is not a conversation..

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The fkn exit presser says otherwise. I think the pick at 3 might change that. But again why trade the guy who gives you more when the guards available at 3 are both best on ball? If Suggs or Green are the pick they could easily but will not play off ball full time.
Both esp Suggs are with his passing is a pg and Green despite having the ability to do both is on ball dominant its obvious
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Post#37 » by Stillwater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:48 am

LivingLegend wrote:
mg wrote:I liked Barnes or Kaminga for the Cavs. Now it's a really tough call. Mobley seems like a no brainer if he's there. I just have a feeling Altman might trade the pick though. He seems super committed to the Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen core and was gushing over the 4 of them tonight. I don't see him drafting Green or Suggs who are redundant...who knows how it will play out. I'm guessing the pressure is squarely on Koby to make the playoffs next season.
In an ideal world it would be nice to trade down 2 spots and take either Kuminga or Barnes plus pickup an extra pick or young player such as Okeke.
Wouldn't be surprised if he trades for a youngish vet. Not sure it's the smart thing to do but Ingram and/or Simmons could possibly be had for the 3rd pick and elevate them instantly to a playoff type team in the EC. Basically the core would be set for better or worse at that point.


After reading the article that came out yesterday about everybody in the Cavs front office gushing over Garland and think he is a Super Star in the making---hes not going anywhere.

Sexton is the obvious trade candidate but idk who would really want him or what his value would be. It seems like the Cavs like Sexton more than the rest of the league likes Sexton.

Klutch inspired Garland trade bait you watch
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Post#38 » by LivingLegend » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:58 am

Stillwater wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
mg wrote:I liked Barnes or Kaminga for the Cavs. Now it's a really tough call. Mobley seems like a no brainer if he's there. I just have a feeling Altman might trade the pick though. He seems super committed to the Sexton, Garland, Okoro, and Allen core and was gushing over the 4 of them tonight. I don't see him drafting Green or Suggs who are redundant...who knows how it will play out. I'm guessing the pressure is squarely on Koby to make the playoffs next season.
In an ideal world it would be nice to trade down 2 spots and take either Kuminga or Barnes plus pickup an extra pick or young player such as Okeke.
Wouldn't be surprised if he trades for a youngish vet. Not sure it's the smart thing to do but Ingram and/or Simmons could possibly be had for the 3rd pick and elevate them instantly to a playoff type team in the EC. Basically the core would be set for better or worse at that point.


After reading the article that came out yesterday about everybody in the Cavs front office gushing over Garland and think he is a Super Star in the making---hes not going anywhere.

Sexton is the obvious trade candidate but idk who would really want him or what his value would be. It seems like the Cavs like Sexton more than the rest of the league likes Sexton.

Klutch inspired Garland trade bait you watch


Nah, it cited what players, assistant coaches from other teams, commentators and current Cavs players were saying about Garland.

Apparently the Cavs received compliments all the time after games from players/coaches on the other team about how good Garland is going to be. They cited Draymond Green and Bradley Beal then also cited Sam Cassell, Vince Carter, Phil Handy and God Shammgod making it a point to bring up how good Garland looks to the Cavs coaching staff.

One Cavs player apparently texted the writer and said "I'm high on Darius, I think he's the best of our young core"
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Post#39 » by VanWest82 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:51 am

#3 + Love for Siakam + 22 FRP
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Post#40 » by Stillwater » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:59 am

LivingLegend wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
After reading the article that came out yesterday about everybody in the Cavs front office gushing over Garland and think he is a Super Star in the making---hes not going anywhere.

Sexton is the obvious trade candidate but idk who would really want him or what his value would be. It seems like the Cavs like Sexton more than the rest of the league likes Sexton.

Klutch inspired Garland trade bait you watch


Nah, it cited what players, assistant coaches from other teams, commentators and current Cavs players were saying about Garland.

Apparently the Cavs received compliments all the time after games from players/coaches on the other team about how good Garland is going to be. They cited Draymond Green and Bradley Beal then also cited Sam Cassell, Vince Carter, Phil Handy and God Shammgod making it a point to bring up how good Garland looks to the Cavs coaching staff.

One Cavs player apparently texted the writer and said "I'm high on Darius, I think he's the best of our young core"

The fact you believe what they want you to believe should not give you comfort.
Cavs having 3rd overall easily makes both guards future in Cleveland less secure. Sexton has had far more compliments than dg. But DG and Draymond have the same agent.Trust me they are pushing everything that backs the hyping of garlands 2nd season
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