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Post#81 » by clyde21 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:17 am

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God Squad wrote:He's a match made in heaven for golden state. I just don't think he'll be available anymore.


personally I'd go Moody at 7 and Johnson or Butler at 14, but Barnes makes some sense too, in which case I'd take Springer or Keon at 14.

Moody is a solid pick for you guys. Fills a need and allows Klay to rehad at his pace, while allowing GSW to stay competitive. I guess I envision Barnes as new era Draymond. Barnes would get so many easy assists in transition with Curry/Klay. So your saying if they go with Moody at 7 you'd want Jalen Johnson or Butler at 14, and if they go Barnes, you'd want Springer or Keon at 14?


correct

if Barnes at 7, I'd aim for Springer or Keon at 14

if Moody at 7, Butler or Johnson at 14
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Post#83 » by God Squad » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:20 am

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personally I'd go Moody at 7 and Johnson or Butler at 14, but Barnes makes some sense too, in which case I'd take Springer or Keon at 14.

Moody is a solid pick for you guys. Fills a need and allows Klay to rehad at his pace, while allowing GSW to stay competitive. I guess I envision Barnes as new era Draymond. Barnes would get so many easy assists in transition with Curry/Klay. So your saying if they go with Moody at 7 you'd want Jalen Johnson or Butler at 14, and if they go Barnes, you'd want Springer or Keon at 14?


correct

if Barnes at 7, I'd aim for Springer or Keon at 14

if Moody at 7, Butler or Johnson at 14

Keons measurements let me down a little. I was hoping he'd be a little bigger with a larger WS. Jalen Johnson is such an enigma in this draft IMO. Don't really know what to make of him and his potential attitude/behavioral issues.
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Post#84 » by Chuck Everett » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:17 am

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Post#85 » by God Squad » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:57 am

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He was so average at Florida. Damn shame.

Agreed. Clyde are you still on the Lewis Hype train? He honestly should have entered the draft last year when his hype was sky high.
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Post#86 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:07 pm

K_chile22 wrote:So uh.. Do they count hair in height because if Cooper is 6'4 he's skyrocketing up my board

lol..apparently they are counting hair. And someone said they round up on height if they measure .5 inches over..so apparently Cooper is 6'5", lol
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#87 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:39 pm

God Squad wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
God Squad wrote:He's a match made in heaven for golden state. I just don't think he'll be available anymore.


personally I'd go Moody at 7 and Johnson or Butler at 14, but Barnes makes some sense too, in which case I'd take Springer or Keon at 14.

Moody is a solid pick for you guys. Fills a need and allows Klay to rehad at his pace, while allowing GSW to stay competitive. I guess I envision Barnes as new era Draymond. Barnes would get so many easy assists in transition with Curry/Klay. So your saying if they go with Moody at 7 you'd want Jalen Johnson or Butler at 14, and if they go Barnes, you'd want Springer or Keon at 14?

Orlando should look hard at Moody at 5. They've tried the "long lengthy athletic but can't shoot" player and it hasn't worked out. Yeah it might be a small reach but when you have the 8th pick you can get creative
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Post#88 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:15 pm

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Post#89 » by The-Power » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:52 pm

clyde21 wrote:correct

if Barnes at 7, I'd aim for Springer or Keon at 14

if Moody at 7, Butler or Johnson at 14

I'm not super high on Moody but I'm also not high on the mid-lottery of this draft, so I agree that Moody makes the most sense if he's available and the top 6 are the usual 5 plus Barnes.

If both Barnes and Moody are available, it gets tougher. I've been a bit frustrated with Barnes this year although I still view him as a good prospect. Maybe even a bit better than Moody but Moody is the more natural fit as long as we have Draymond (plus JTA for next year as an okay-ish back up with GSW experience for that role). Not sure where exactly to rank Barnes but I think I'd prefer Moody for us all things considered.

I'm not sold on Springer at 14, I have him more as a 20s guy personally (I project him to be solid back-up CG). I also wouldn't consider Butler that early. Keon I would be content with at 14 if he falls that far but I doubt he can help next year, and he's a project for sure – could go either way with him. Still, I'd think long and hard about him. Johnson, similarly, is great value and I'd be happy to have him earn his minutes and see him either blossom or quitting – the risk is worth the potential reward here. Another guy I would be fine with at 14 is Wagner because he could potentially help us right away and provides some positional flexibility.

There are some others players I like but they'd likely be over-drafted at 14 and I'd try to trade down and pick up an asset if the Warriors FO doesn't like anyone particularly at 14.
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#90 » by clyde21 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:00 pm

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He was so average at Florida. Damn shame.

Agreed. Clyde are you still on the Lewis Hype train? He honestly should have entered the draft last year when his hype was sky high.


yes i am still in on Lewis
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#91 » by clyde21 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:02 pm

The-Power wrote:
clyde21 wrote:correct

if Barnes at 7, I'd aim for Springer or Keon at 14

if Moody at 7, Butler or Johnson at 14

I'm not super high on Moody but I'm also not high on the mid-lottery of this draft, so I agree that Moody makes the most sense if he's available and the top 6 are the usual 5 plus Barnes.

If both Barnes and Moody are available, it gets tougher. I've been a bit frustrated with Barnes this year although I still view him as a good prospect. Maybe even a bit better than Moody but Moody is the more natural fit as long as we have Draymond (plus JTA for next year as an okay-ish back up with GSW experience for that role). Not sure where exactly to rank Barnes but I think I'd prefer Moody for us all things considered.

I'm not sold on Springer at 14, I have him more as a 20s guy personally (I project him to be solid back-up CG). I also wouldn't consider Butler that early. Keon I would be content with at 14 if he falls that far but I doubt he can help next year, and he's a project for sure – could go either way with him. Still, I'd think long and hard about him. Johnson, similarly, is great value and I'd be happy to have him earn his minutes and see him either blossom or quitting – the risk is worth the potential reward here. Another guy I would be fine with at 14 is Wagner because he could potentially help us right away and provides some positional flexibility.

There are some others players I like but they'd likely be over-drafted at 14 and I'd try to trade down and pick up an asset if the Warriors FO doesn't like anyone particularly at 14.


would be happy with Wagner at 14 for sure, I just expect him to go a little earlier in the 8-13 range
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#92 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:05 pm

I think Wieskamp moved himself up more than anyone. He could be a really nice 7-8th man shooting specialist w/ enough juice to get by athletically.

The funny thing is, watching his highlights you can tell he is a plus athlete. He has some MASSIVE dunks. Its probably just 'white shooter' bias that had him pegged as a negative athlete. He is twitchy and quick as hell on the court. We will see, but I think he is a late R1 guy.
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#93 » by CP War Hawks » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:05 pm

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He was so average at Florida. Damn shame.


He can't shoot, dribble, or pass. Sounds like a great decathlon athlete tho.
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Post#94 » by EMG518 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:02 pm

Davion Mitchell coming in 6'0" bare foot, saw that coming
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#95 » by DCasey91 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:00 am

Wait Shariffe Cooper at 6”2-6”3? You mean to tell me he’s an inch or abit shorter then Wade?

If that’s the case Trae Young is Andre the Giant lol

I’ll bet the house he ain’t even an old fashioned 6”1” with shoes in.
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Post#96 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:05 am

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Wieskamp is the 1 player that's really surprised me.

Curious what people think of Wieskamp vs Isaiah Livers. Both appear to be similar players. Both 6'7", 21 years or older. Both are big wings who could even play some stretch 4. Both shot over 40% from 3 with some solid perimeter defense. Both very quick, good explosiveness, they really seem to go all out and play hard, some highlight reel dunks.

Who's the better sleeper?
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Post#97 » by Catchall » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:15 am

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always had a feeling Jackson will go a lot higher than people think, we'll see. I have him as a top 14-16 guy right now so it wouldn't shock me at all if he's lotto bound.

I am not so high on Jackson. He can't shoot outside of 15 feet and can't dribble, so he can't play the 4. But at 6'10", 206 lbs he's too small to play center.

I'm just not seeing it - I've got at least 20-25 guys comfortably ahead of him on my big board..


I feel like if Chris Boucher (6-9, 204) can play center, Jackson should be fine. Obviously he's not going to body up Embiid, but most nights that's not going to be his job. I'd love to see him in Golden State or Charlotte.


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Post#98 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:20 am

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Hal14 wrote:I am not so high on Jackson. He can't shoot outside of 15 feet and can't dribble, so he can't play the 4. But at 6'10", 206 lbs he's too small to play center.

I'm just not seeing it - I've got at least 20-25 guys comfortably ahead of him on my big board..


I feel like if Chris Boucher (6-9, 204) can play center, Jackson should be fine. Obviously he's not going to body up Embiid, but most nights that's not going to be his job. I'd love to see him in Golden State or Charlotte.


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Yup that seems like a good comparison for Jackson. Noel has been a good backup center and he started at center a couple of seasons but on really bad teams.

That's be Jackson. Backup center on good teams or starting center on bad teams. I feel like there's at least 20-25 other guys with a higher ceiling..
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Re: 2021 Combine Thread 

Post#99 » by babyjax13 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:29 am

Unless Sharif grew 4" in the last two months there is no way that measurement is accurate.
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