MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[dean456]

The teams in the final 4 are the teams who had the balls to go all in and make moves to improve.

Milwaukee went and got Holiday, Tucker and Portis.
Phoenix went and got CP3 and Crowder
Atlanta went and got Bogdanovic, Gallinari and Lou Williams
Clippers got Ibaka even though he's injured and other smaller additions.

If we can make solid additions after an early exit this season we should be able to have a good bounce back season similar to these teams. We just need to have the balls to make some moves.

The Olympics will be great for Bam and should get him off to a good start next season..
Jimmy should come back hungry and healthy.
Hopefully we won't have to rely on the old legs of Dragic and Iggy so heavily with newer additions.
Hopefully Booker wins a championship and that lights a fire under Herro's ass to make some improvements if he's not traded.

[RexBoyWonder]

1) Dinwiddie is a bit more exciting then Lowry due to age and the chance he has some improving in him still. But if his 3 point shooting doesn't improve we're **** with Jimmy and Bam. He's a 32% career 3 point shooter, We need him to be better.

2) Really wondering what Pistons are going to do. They'll add Cade Cunningham with the #1 Pick, so..Is Jerami Grant cool with being the sidekick for a bad team ran by a Rookie?

If Grant is available, He's probably the best player that might be attainable with our modest assets.

Herro + Precious + future pick? Not sure that's enough..fml.

Just imagine

Dinwiddie
Robinson
Jimmy
Grant
Bam

We'll be back baby

[HEATVols865]

Unfortunately, 6'5" 220lbs Dinwiddle would be playing PF in our system

Starting Center…guarding Embiid while Bam guard Harris to preserve him…that would be a Spo move


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[HEATVols865]

Back to the Heat. They need to send Herro to the summer league. He still needs development. Can't be wasting games experimenting if you are a title contending team.

Herro needs to ...

1. Focus on his shot.
2. Focus on his shot.
3. Focus on his shot.

If he doesn't improve there, he's just wasting everyone's time.

I think he’s focused on his shot plenty…that’s how he got the Chick pregnant


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[CanesHeatFins]

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Does that mean Precious will miss out on summer league again? If so, I'm not a fan of him missing that valuable practice to ride the bench all summer.

[MettaWorldPanda]

After the way Magic Johnson blasted Schroder's performance in the playoffs I doubt Riley has him on the radar. We all know how close Magic and Riley are.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Still trying to figure out the best way for this team to get Kyle Lowry. By all indications he's not taking any sort of discount. In order to get any type of cap space we have to renounce the cap holds of the majority of our free agents. It's doubtful the Raptors have any interest in a S&T with us for Dragic and Iguodala. It's likely they get better offers via S&T from other teams unless we give them Herro which I don't believe is an option for a PG like Lowry at his advanced age. Honestly would rather just keep Dragic at a much more manageable figure considering the age of both. We forget sometimes the special relationship Butler also has with Dragic.

[MettaWorldPanda]

As for Spencer Dinwiddie. I really like him. Just not enamored by his 3 point acumen. We really need a PG who's lights out from three point range in order to compensate for the deficiencies of Bam and Butler. Dragic at least maintains a 3 point range in the high 30's. Nunn also was able to improve his three point percentage up to 38% this year. I don't think we are in a position to downgrade from those numbers. Lowry pushes close to 40%.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I still think the single most impactful realistic move this offseason is going after Kristapas Porzingis as a depressed and disgruntled asset. This is right on par for Riley's wheel house. Of course they are questions about his health and contract but those are the reasons we are even in the discussion of obtaining a 20 and 10 seven foot three point shooting big man. Sure he had a rough playoff series but he's still only 25 and does everything we need a big man to do and then some next to Bam and even Jimmy. Considering how subpar the free agent landscape is and our limited assets. I don't see why we don't try to swing for the fences here and see how things play out.

C Bam Adebayo
PF Kristaps Porzingis
SF Jimmy Butler

That right there within itself is a solid three core. We would still have the chance to match any offer for Robinson and Nunn. We would also have full access to the mid level. We would also maintain bird rights of Oladipo and Ariza to go over the cap. Will probably also attract a vet minimum player or two. Lots of possibilities here. The other avenues to get better seem much more grim or not even realistic. What does one expect to get for a package of someone getting the privilege to overpay Dragic and Iguodala for a year? Mavs on the other hand are probably the one team that would do it considering they have a disgruntled player locked in for big money and many years who does not get along with there mega star they want to keep. They also get a player in Dragic who's very close to there mega superstar and on a one year deal. They also get a playoff tested defensive vet in Iguodala which they covet. They wipe off close to 34 million off the books in the following year and are relived of the long term Porzingis obligation. This deal works for both parties involved for how both teams want to proceed in the foreseeable future.


Lastly. Since in this scenario we have had to trade Dragic to Dallas and without a doubt will not have any money beyond mid level to go after a PG. The easy choice here is to bring back Kendrick Nunn and to sign a rock solid veteran PG to be his backup or vice versa that would fit within the the mid level money criteria. Right now you would have a to give a long hard look at the rejuvenated Derrick Rose. Nunn and Rose would form a pretty fun Chicago bred backcourt.

[twix2500]

Still trying to figure out the best way for this team to get Kyle Lowry. By all indications he's not taking any sort of discount. In order to get any type of cap space we have to renounce the cap holds of the majority of our free agents. It's doubtful the Raptors have any interest in a S&T with us for Dragic and Iguodala. It's likely they get better offers via S&T from other teams unless we give them Herro which I don't believe is an option for a PG like Lowry at his advanced age. Honestly would rather just keep Dragic at a much more manageable figure considering the age of both. We forget sometimes the special relationship Butler also has with Dragic.

I think they be interested in Dragic and Iggy as trade chips.

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[Vertical Limit]

Lol those that want Spoelstra gone… yall either trolling hard or dont know what youve got, and if he ever leaves, the transition is going to be a painful one.

He managed to get this same squad, with jae crowder, to an NBA Finals.

You have no idea how tough a challenge that was.

His main superstar player, Jimmy, is a superstar with limitations.. hes not in Kawhi, Donovan, Lebron, or Currys league. Hes in the third tier of superstars.

Bam is a very limited star as well, needs a lot of refinement. Im not sure if his ceiling has been reached. I hope his time with Team USA will be an impactful one.

Lets talk about the others… putting Dragic aside, we got a bunch of very limited roleplayers. None of them would be a sixth man on any championship caliber team… not even Duncan.

None of them are even average defensive players. NONE. Spoelstra’s scheme hides their lack of defensive ability. Every call he makes defensively, the zone, the traps and blitzes he sets up when teams attempt to pick and roll our asses, thats all on him. And that zone is done because he knows that if it was man on man, we would get smoked.

But some of you all cant seem to comprehend just how limited a roster this is, what Spoelstra has to work with. What Riley has to work with.. God forbid the day he decides that he wants to take a coaching offer and move back to Portland where he went to college, or some other opportunity, and we try to hire some hot shot coach, then you will all then see just how bad our team is. We would be giving 130 points per game.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Still trying to figure out the best way for this team to get Kyle Lowry. By all indications he's not taking any sort of discount. In order to get any type of cap space we have to renounce the cap holds of the majority of our free agents. It's doubtful the Raptors have any interest in a S&T with us for Dragic and Iguodala. It's likely they get better offers via S&T from other teams unless we give them Herro which I don't believe is an option for a PG like Lowry at his advanced age. Honestly would rather just keep Dragic at a much more manageable figure considering the age of both. We forget sometimes the special relationship Butler also has with Dragic.

I think they be interested in Dragic and Iggy as trade chips.

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Dragic and Iggy are large matching contracts for a long term depressed asset like Porzingis. If we get Lowry that means Porzingis heads to Raptors in a 3 team deal. If they are not interested in Porzingis they’ll probably shop Lowry for the best S&T deal that brings in the best assets not the best expiring contracts. Masai has said he’ll be fine opening up the cap space if Lowry walks.

[twix2500]

Still trying to figure out the best way for this team to get Kyle Lowry. By all indications he's not taking any sort of discount. In order to get any type of cap space we have to renounce the cap holds of the majority of our free agents. It's doubtful the Raptors have any interest in a S&T with us for Dragic and Iguodala. It's likely they get better offers via S&T from other teams unless we give them Herro which I don't believe is an option for a PG like Lowry at his advanced age. Honestly would rather just keep Dragic at a much more manageable figure considering the age of both. We forget sometimes the special relationship Butler also has with Dragic.

I think they be interested in Dragic and Iggy as trade chips.

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Dragic and Iggy are large matching contracts for a long term depressed asset like Porzingis. If we get Lowry that means Porzingis heads to Raptors in a 3 team deal. If they are not interested in Porzingis they’ll probably shop Lowry for the best S&T deal that brings in the best assets not the best expiring contracts. Masai has said he’ll be fine opening up the cap space if Lowry walks.

If Porzingis is available then the Heat should go after him first.

Its either Porzingis and Graham or Lowry and Adams

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I think they be interested in Dragic and Iggy as trade chips.

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Dragic and Iggy are large matching contracts for a long term depressed asset like Porzingis. If we get Lowry that means Porzingis heads to Raptors in a 3 team deal. If they are not interested in Porzingis they’ll probably shop Lowry for the best S&T deal that brings in the best assets not the best expiring contracts. Masai has said he’ll be fine opening up the cap space if Lowry walks.

If Porzingis is available then the Heat should go after him first.

Its either Porzingis and Graham or Lowry and Adams

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No way you get Graham or Adams with either of those two. If Dragic and Iggy are to be used in trade that means we are working as a capped out team. Meaning they are needed to trade for Porzingis or a S&T Lowry.

The most we would have to spend from there is the MLE and Bi Annual. We would be able to match Nunn and Robinson if we want and offer over the cap deals with bird rights to Oladipo and Ariza. If we signed Lowry with cap space that means we have basically renounced everyone and have only the 4.7 room exception to sign an extra player.

If we sign Lowry to 23.7 million in cap space that means Nunn and Robinson get matched but little room for much else. It makes all the sense for us to operate as capped team. The very worst case scenario is everyone comes back with the additions of the MLE and bi annual player.

Going for Dinwiddie is pretty much the same scenario as going for Lowry. Going for Porzingis for me is better then Lowry or Dinwiddie. I’ll take my chances matching Nunn and signing Rose to the MLE or splitting that with someone like McConnell and another player.

Brooklyn could be interested in a S&T with Dinwiddie for Dragic and Iguodala. Might have to take on DeAndre Jordan in a deal like that.

[Wiltside]

Yeah, at this point I don't see a way to move the needle for us more than taking on Porzingis. He's the highest upside player that's realistically available, and it probably wouldn't even really cost us that much to get him. Dragic, Igoudala and a pick? We might even be able to keep Achiuwa if we want to.

Of course its a risk. It's a risk to trade for guys with sketchy injury histories. It's a risk to trade for a guy who had a disappointing playoff run. But at the same time, I don't think he was being used properly in Dallas. I watched a lot of their games, and he'd go a long time standing and watching. He's better than that, and he fits incredibly well with a guy we just gave a max extension to.

He's 25, soon to be 26. He should be starting to enter his prime. Of course it's scary taking on 3yrs and $100m if it doesn't work out, but what if it does? At his best, Porzingis is as unique a player as there is in the game. 7'3", 2.3 treys per game on 37%, 85.5% from the line and 47% from the field. 9 boards a night, 20 points a game and blocks shots inside. Low turnover player that doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective, which is perfect when we have Jimmy and Bam who we run majority of our plays through.

Quite often, a players success is determined by fit. It's a heavily underrated aspect of how a guy is viewed. The fit in Dallas hasn't worked, much like the fit in Philly hasn't worked for Simmons. It's about the roster around them, how they're used offensively, and how engaged they are as a result. You can tell that being an afterthought on offense effects Porzingis mentally - and I don't think he'd have that problem here.

He's good enough to be a clear 2nd option for us on offense, which actually alleviates pressure on Bam to be that guy. He can focus on all the other things that make him special without having to be the next Garnett.

Sign Dinwiddie, trade for Porzingis.

Dinwiddie / Oladipo on prove it deal / Project PG (probably Vincent...ugh...(
Robinson / Herro / Strus
Butler / Ariza / Okpala
Adebayo / Achiuwa
Porzingis / Dedmon

That's a BIG lineup. 6'5" PG and a 7'3" C. Sufficient spacing around Bam and Jimmy. Good amount of playmaking, can also throw some versatile lineups, go small when required etc.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yeah, at this point I don't see a way to move the needle for us more than taking on Porzingis. He's the highest upside player that's realistically available, and it probably wouldn't even really cost us that much to get him. Dragic, Igoudala and a pick? We might even be able to keep Achiuwa if we want to.

Of course its a risk. It's a risk to trade for guys with sketchy injury histories. It's a risk to trade for a guy who had a disappointing playoff run. But at the same time, I don't think he was being used properly in Dallas. I watched a lot of their games, and he'd go a long time standing and watching. He's better than that, and he fits incredibly well with a guy we just gave a max extension to.

He's 25, soon to be 26. He should be starting to enter his prime. Of course it's scary taking on 3yrs and $100m if it doesn't work out, but what if it does? At his best, Porzingis is as unique a player as there is in the game. 7'3", 2.3 treys per game on 37%, 85.5% from the line and 47% from the field. 9 boards a night, 20 points a game and blocks shots inside. Low turnover player that doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective, which is perfect when we have Jimmy and Bam who we run majority of our plays through.

Quite often, a players success is determined by fit. It's a heavily underrated aspect of how a guy is viewed. The fit in Dallas hasn't worked, much like the fit in Philly hasn't worked for Simmons. It's about the roster around them, how they're used offensively, and how engaged they are as a result. You can tell that being an afterthought on offense effects Porzingis mentally - and I don't think he'd have that problem here.

He's good enough to be a clear 2nd option for us on offense, which actually alleviates pressure on Bam to be that guy. He can focus on all the other things that make him special without having to be the next Garnett.

Sign Dinwiddie, trade for Porzingis.

Dinwiddie / Oladipo on prove it deal / Project PG (probably Vincent...ugh...(
Robinson / Herro / Strus
Butler / Ariza / Okpala
Adebayo / Achiuwa
Porzingis / Dedmon

That's a BIG lineup. 6'5" PG and a 7'3" C. Sufficient spacing around Bam and Jimmy. Good amount of playmaking, can also throw some versatile lineups, go small when required etc.

If you trade for Porzingis you can’t sign Dinwiddie. You sign Dinwiddie into space that means the team renounced the trade pieces of Dragic and Iguodala. Dinwiddie is not taking mid level. Think more along the lines of Derrick Rose and McConnell. You have to match Nunn and bring him back. I did mention a S&T scenario with Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Jordan. Would much rather have Porzingis above all the other scenarios.

[Wiltside]

Yeah, at this point I don't see a way to move the needle for us more than taking on Porzingis. He's the highest upside player that's realistically available, and it probably wouldn't even really cost us that much to get him. Dragic, Igoudala and a pick? We might even be able to keep Achiuwa if we want to.

Of course its a risk. It's a risk to trade for guys with sketchy injury histories. It's a risk to trade for a guy who had a disappointing playoff run. But at the same time, I don't think he was being used properly in Dallas. I watched a lot of their games, and he'd go a long time standing and watching. He's better than that, and he fits incredibly well with a guy we just gave a max extension to.

He's 25, soon to be 26. He should be starting to enter his prime. Of course it's scary taking on 3yrs and $100m if it doesn't work out, but what if it does? At his best, Porzingis is as unique a player as there is in the game. 7'3", 2.3 treys per game on 37%, 85.5% from the line and 47% from the field. 9 boards a night, 20 points a game and blocks shots inside. Low turnover player that doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective, which is perfect when we have Jimmy and Bam who we run majority of our plays through.

Quite often, a players success is determined by fit. It's a heavily underrated aspect of how a guy is viewed. The fit in Dallas hasn't worked, much like the fit in Philly hasn't worked for Simmons. It's about the roster around them, how they're used offensively, and how engaged they are as a result. You can tell that being an afterthought on offense effects Porzingis mentally - and I don't think he'd have that problem here.

He's good enough to be a clear 2nd option for us on offense, which actually alleviates pressure on Bam to be that guy. He can focus on all the other things that make him special without having to be the next Garnett.

Sign Dinwiddie, trade for Porzingis.

Dinwiddie / Oladipo on prove it deal / Project PG (probably Vincent...ugh...(
Robinson / Herro / Strus
Butler / Ariza / Okpala
Adebayo / Achiuwa
Porzingis / Dedmon

That's a BIG lineup. 6'5" PG and a 7'3" C. Sufficient spacing around Bam and Jimmy. Good amount of playmaking, can also throw some versatile lineups, go small when required etc.

If you trade for Porzingis you can’t sign Dinwiddie. You sign Dinwiddie into space that means the team renounced the trade pieces of Dragic and Iguodala. Dinwiddie is not taking mid level. Think more along the lines of Derrick Rose and McConnell. You have to match Nunn and bring him back. I did mention a S&T scenario with Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Jordan. Would much rather have Porzingis above all the other scenarios.

After I wrote that post I kinda realised I had overspent - the logic remains the same though.

OK, in that scenario, retain Nunn and Oladipo - provided the price is right. If Nunn gets $15m offers, we have to let him go IMO. I'd rather add a savvy vet PG that can knock down a triple for cheap than keep Nunn at that kinda price.

I'd be looking at Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne, Patty Mills or TJ McConnell (doesn't provide spacing but I'd love him off the bench).

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yeah, at this point I don't see a way to move the needle for us more than taking on Porzingis. He's the highest upside player that's realistically available, and it probably wouldn't even really cost us that much to get him. Dragic, Igoudala and a pick? We might even be able to keep Achiuwa if we want to.

Of course its a risk. It's a risk to trade for guys with sketchy injury histories. It's a risk to trade for a guy who had a disappointing playoff run. But at the same time, I don't think he was being used properly in Dallas. I watched a lot of their games, and he'd go a long time standing and watching. He's better than that, and he fits incredibly well with a guy we just gave a max extension to.

He's 25, soon to be 26. He should be starting to enter his prime. Of course it's scary taking on 3yrs and $100m if it doesn't work out, but what if it does? At his best, Porzingis is as unique a player as there is in the game. 7'3", 2.3 treys per game on 37%, 85.5% from the line and 47% from the field. 9 boards a night, 20 points a game and blocks shots inside. Low turnover player that doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective, which is perfect when we have Jimmy and Bam who we run majority of our plays through.

Quite often, a players success is determined by fit. It's a heavily underrated aspect of how a guy is viewed. The fit in Dallas hasn't worked, much like the fit in Philly hasn't worked for Simmons. It's about the roster around them, how they're used offensively, and how engaged they are as a result. You can tell that being an afterthought on offense effects Porzingis mentally - and I don't think he'd have that problem here.

He's good enough to be a clear 2nd option for us on offense, which actually alleviates pressure on Bam to be that guy. He can focus on all the other things that make him special without having to be the next Garnett.

Sign Dinwiddie, trade for Porzingis.

Dinwiddie / Oladipo on prove it deal / Project PG (probably Vincent...ugh...(
Robinson / Herro / Strus
Butler / Ariza / Okpala
Adebayo / Achiuwa
Porzingis / Dedmon

That's a BIG lineup. 6'5" PG and a 7'3" C. Sufficient spacing around Bam and Jimmy. Good amount of playmaking, can also throw some versatile lineups, go small when required etc.

If you trade for Porzingis you can’t sign Dinwiddie. You sign Dinwiddie into space that means the team renounced the trade pieces of Dragic and Iguodala. Dinwiddie is not taking mid level. Think more along the lines of Derrick Rose and McConnell. You have to match Nunn and bring him back. I did mention a S&T scenario with Brooklyn for Dinwiddie and Jordan. Would much rather have Porzingis above all the other scenarios.

After I wrote that post I kinda realised I had overspent - the logic remains the same though.

OK, in that scenario, retain Nunn and Oladipo - provided the price is right. If Nunn gets $15m offers, we have to let him go IMO. I'd rather add a savvy vet PG that can knock down a triple for cheap than keep Nunn at that kinda price.

I'd be looking at Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne, Patty Mills or TJ McConnell (doesn't provide spacing but I'd love him off the bench).

I don’t see anyone going crazy for Nunn. Robinson on the other hand will command 15-20. I don’t see many starting spots for Nunn around the league. Maybe he gets 12-15. With that being said we can go over cap to sign him and we should at that point.

With the MLE we can go shopping for the names you mentioned but we’ll need two solid PG’s regardless especially if we have to let Robinson walk and wait on the health of Oladipo. Lowry, Dinwiddie,Ball, Graham, Conley, Rose, will most likely all be targeted before anyone circles to Nunn.

Chicago may be in heavy on Nunn but will also be looking at Dinwiddie and if they are restricted free agent shopping Ball is probably on top of there list. I don’t see Nunn as a fit with the Knicks. Most teams will give Nunn the MLE in a heartbeat but that’s an easy match for us.

[Wiltside]

Spo is going to coach the USA Select Team in the warm up to the Olympics. A good opportunity for him, and it certainly doesn't hurt that he will be around the USA and USA Select guys...sneaky recruit pls Spo...

[oreon]

Dragic and Iggy are large matching contracts for a long term depressed asset like Porzingis. If we get Lowry that means Porzingis heads to Raptors in a 3 team deal. If they are not interested in Porzingis they’ll probably shop Lowry for the best S&T deal that brings in the best assets not the best expiring contracts. Masai has said he’ll be fine opening up the cap space if Lowry walks.

If Porzingis is available then the Heat should go after him first.

Its either Porzingis and Graham or Lowry and Adams

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No way you get Graham or Adams with either of those two. If Dragic and Iggy are to be used in trade that means we are working as a capped out team. Meaning they are needed to trade for Porzingis or a S&T Lowry.

The most we would have to spend from there is the MLE and Bi Annual. We would be able to match Nunn and Robinson if we want and offer over the cap deals with bird rights to Oladipo and Ariza. If we signed Lowry with cap space that means we have basically renounced everyone and have only the 4.7 room exception to sign an extra player.

If we sign Lowry to 23.7 million in cap space that means Nunn and Robinson get matched but little room for much else. It makes all the sense for us to operate as capped team. The very worst case scenario is everyone comes back with the additions of the MLE and bi annual player.

Going for Dinwiddie is pretty much the same scenario as going for Lowry. Going for Porzingis for me is better then Lowry or Dinwiddie. I’ll take my chances matching Nunn and signing Rose to the MLE or splitting that with someone like McConnell and another player.

Brooklyn could be interested in a S&T with Dinwiddie for Dragic and Iguodala. Might have to take on DeAndre Jordan in a deal like that.

The Heat need to accept short of trading for a disgruntled star there isn't a move out there that will be put is in the top tier of contenders. The best move would to pursue moves that are not going to hurt our flexibility. I'd go after Lowry, on a two year. I don't really care about the number. Then use you midlevel to get a 4 or a 5.
The go into the season and hope Bam, Herro and Precious improve and that there's is a disgruntled star that wants a trade. And by disgruntled star I mean not KP, he's a damaged goods. I'd bet one of Lavine, Beal and Dame will be traded some time next season. You hope they ask for a trade specifically to the Heat.