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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#81 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:26 pm

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sonnyhill wrote:On another thread, the discussion had touched upon Wiggins's current level of play and him still not peaking-and-still with upside.

Can "Winning a Wiggins Trade" also include not trading Wiggins, and instead, further developing his game (mid-range, catch-and-shoot, initiate the offense from the small forward position, and play some minutes as a small-stretch 4)?

As we watch the current playoffs (painful not to see the Warriors competing) and the injuries taking its toll on each team, Wiggins's availability and durability make him even more valuable. Also, I highly doubt we would ever hear the words "load management" during the regular season with regards to Wiggins.



I have no problem with that at all. I am not sold on players like Siakam, I see marginal improvement at best. That's not worth adding any significant assets from GSW's side. Especially as Wiggins is more clearly a wing and fills the bigger need for GSW.

Wiggins imho needs to make another incremental step forward, similar as the past season, to be neutral value on that contract. Solidify his 3p% (had the best 3p%, eFG% and TS% of his career), improve a bit on his awareness in a team defense concept off-ball (his on-ball defense is elite), get his FT% up a little... It's far from impossible. I hope he works his b*** off this summer.

Either way, he's a very functional player for GSW. And the trajectory is rather going up than down. There is no pressure to do any deals that aren't clearly bringing back better players.


If you look at Wiggins time with the Warriors he's gotten a partial step better month by month. He was really playing well on both ends down the stretch like he's finally getting comfortable. If he can be consistent this coming year like he was down the stretch he's essentially there.

If you look at other SF players making around that $30M number Hayward, Porter, and Middleton ... I think I would prefer Wiggins already.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#82 » by azwfan » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:49 am

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sonnyhill wrote:On another thread, the discussion had touched upon Wiggins's current level of play and him still not peaking-and-still with upside.

Can "Winning a Wiggins Trade" also include not trading Wiggins, and instead, further developing his game (mid-range, catch-and-shoot, initiate the offense from the small forward position, and play some minutes as a small-stretch 4)?

As we watch the current playoffs (painful not to see the Warriors competing) and the injuries taking its toll on each team, Wiggins's availability and durability make him even more valuable. Also, I highly doubt we would ever hear the words "load management" during the regular season with regards to Wiggins.



I have no problem with that at all. I am not sold on players like Siakam, I see marginal improvement at best. That's not worth adding any significant assets from GSW's side. Especially as Wiggins is more clearly a wing and fills the bigger need for GSW.

Wiggins imho needs to make another incremental step forward, similar as the past season, to be neutral value on that contract. Solidify his 3p% (had the best 3p%, eFG% and TS% of his career), improve a bit on his awareness in a team defense concept off-ball (his on-ball defense is elite), get his FT% up a little... It's far from impossible. I hope he works his b*** off this summer.

Either way, he's a very functional player for GSW. And the trajectory is rather going up than down. There is no pressure to do any deals that aren't clearly bringing back better players.


If you look at Wiggins time with the Warriors he's gotten a partial step better month by month. He was really playing well on both ends down the stretch like he's finally getting comfortable. If he can be consistent this coming year like he was down the stretch he's essentially there.

If you look at other SF players making around that $30M number Hayward, Porter, and Middleton ... I think I would prefer Wiggins already.

I definitely prefer Wiggins to OPJ and Hayward (due to injuries - current and history). But I have Middleton as much better and more reliable than Wiggins.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#83 » by Scoots1994 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:02 am

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Scoots1994 wrote:
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I have no problem with that at all. I am not sold on players like Siakam, I see marginal improvement at best. That's not worth adding any significant assets from GSW's side. Especially as Wiggins is more clearly a wing and fills the bigger need for GSW.

Wiggins imho needs to make another incremental step forward, similar as the past season, to be neutral value on that contract. Solidify his 3p% (had the best 3p%, eFG% and TS% of his career), improve a bit on his awareness in a team defense concept off-ball (his on-ball defense is elite), get his FT% up a little... It's far from impossible. I hope he works his b*** off this summer.

Either way, he's a very functional player for GSW. And the trajectory is rather going up than down. There is no pressure to do any deals that aren't clearly bringing back better players.


If you look at Wiggins time with the Warriors he's gotten a partial step better month by month. He was really playing well on both ends down the stretch like he's finally getting comfortable. If he can be consistent this coming year like he was down the stretch he's essentially there.

If you look at other SF players making around that $30M number Hayward, Porter, and Middleton ... I think I would prefer Wiggins already.

I definitely prefer Wiggins to OPJ and Hayward (due to injuries - current and history). But I have Middleton as much better and more reliable than Wiggins.


I guess, I've just never been a fan of Middleton.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#84 » by Impuniti » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:33 pm

Middleton can get you 35-15-5 with 70% TS in an elimination vs the Nets. Does anyone think he has a chance to do that at all? Wig can be the 4th best guy to a championship team, Middleton can be the 3rd guy or in a bizarro season like this year, maybe even 2nd if they win it all.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#85 » by ahmetmekin » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:42 pm

Impuniti wrote:Middleton can get you 35-15-5 with 70% TS in an elimination vs the Nets. Does anyone think he has a chance to do that at all? Wig can be the 4th best guy to a championship team, Middleton can be the 3rd guy or in a bizarro season like this year, maybe even 2nd if they win it all.

Nope. Middleton is a much better player. I see Wiggins as the 4th/5th best guy. Middleton is 2nd/3rd.
We should either upgrade Wiggins or find a 2nd/3rd best player while keeping Wiggins/Klay/Dray.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#86 » by Impuniti » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:03 pm

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Impuniti wrote:Middleton can get you 35-15-5 with 70% TS in an elimination vs the Nets. Does anyone think he has a chance to do that at all? Wig can be the 4th best guy to a championship team, Middleton can be the 3rd guy or in a bizarro season like this year, maybe even 2nd if they win it all.

Nope. Middleton is a much better player. I see Wiggins as the 4th/5th best guy. Middleton is 2nd/3rd.
We should either upgrade Wiggins or find a 2nd/3rd best player while keeping Wiggins/Klay/Dray.

It was rhetorical, I agree with you. Middleton is a much better player. I still think Warriors can win with Wig in the Barnes role, but it's going to depend if Warriors get some good bench players, a solid center that can get buckets, Klay comes back ok and Draymond stops being an embarrassment in the league when it comes shooting/scoring.

Of all those probabilities, the last one is the one I'm least confident in. :lol:
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#87 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:28 am

Lock the thread. It's a wrap. Warriors get this years pick with #7.
Dlo for Wiggins #7 pick in very deep draft :) :)
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#88 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:10 am

Change this thread to "won a wiggins trade".
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#89 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:46 am

So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#90 » by azwfan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:27 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Lock the thread. It's a wrap. Warriors get this years pick with #7.
Dlo for Wiggins #7 pick in very deep draft :) :)



Net it was basically...

GSW 2026 2nd (to Nets)
GSW 2024 1st (to Memphis)
TOR 2022 2nd (to OKC)

for

Wiggins
Oubre
#7

Too bad Oubre sucked or Bob would've really killed.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#91 » by ClutchUp » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:22 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.


They're capped out with no picks. I'll cut them some slack.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#92 » by FNQ » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:56 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.


Wiggins was really, really bad there. They tried to run an offense through him.. and many are still in denial about his good defense here. Is what it is, if they think they won the deal, awesome, lets keep dealing with them.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#93 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:07 pm

azwfan wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:Lock the thread. It's a wrap. Warriors get this years pick with #7.
Dlo for Wiggins #7 pick in very deep draft :) :)



Net it was basically...

GSW 2026 2nd (to Nets)
GSW 2024 1st (to Memphis)
TOR 2022 2nd (to OKC)

for

Wiggins
Oubre
#7

Too bad Oubre sucked or Bob would've really killed.


Then really will know when we trade a re-signed Oubre. :)
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#94 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:10 pm

ClutchUp wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.


They're capped out with no picks. I'll cut them some slack.


Well...don't be surprised if we have KAT on this team....sending back the 7th, 14th re-signed Oubre, Paschal etc...

Then when Warriors win the chip and KAT is a top center again....it will continue to hurt. lol
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#95 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:49 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:
ClutchUp wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.


They're capped out with no picks. I'll cut them some slack.


Well...don't be surprised if we have KAT on this team....sending back the 7th, 14th re-signed Oubre, Paschal etc...

Then when Warriors win the chip and KAT is a top center again....it will continue to hurt. lol


I still don't get the KAT love. Seems like the epitome of an empty stats player.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#96 » by DonaldSanders » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:08 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:
ClutchUp wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.


They're capped out with no picks. I'll cut them some slack.


Well...don't be surprised if we have KAT on this team....sending back the 7th, 14th re-signed Oubre, Paschal etc...

Then when Warriors win the chip and KAT is a top center again....it will continue to hurt. lol


They aren't trading KAT for our pupu platter, that is straight fantasy. They're fully hooked into some fantasy of Russell/KAT growing together and that they just need to add pieces. TBH they could keep improving and make the playoffs soon... but they'll never go anywhere with this roster. I have a good friend who is a Minny fan for life, he admits they are currently kinda believing Russell can be good (lol).
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#97 » by killmongrel » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:24 pm

Somebody make a new thread called Warriors Won The Wiggins Trade.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#98 » by ClutchUp » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:37 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:
ClutchUp wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:So many wolves fans still thinking they won the trade and would do it again.


They're capped out with no picks. I'll cut them some slack.


Well...don't be surprised if we have KAT on this team....sending back the 7th, 14th re-signed Oubre, Paschal etc...

Then when Warriors win the chip and KAT is a top center again....it will continue to hurt. lol


I wouldn't count on it.
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#99 » by GunnerWRX » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:17 pm

I am not trading Wiggins unless we get a true star back. He has played great defense all season and has become more efficient offensively as the season progressed.

His numbers since March - 20 ppg 5.3 reb 1.1 stl 0.8 blk 15.6 fga 49.0% fg 41.1% 3p and .586 TS%

Those are already great numbers and once Klay returns, the court will be spread even more, and I expect his efficiency to go up slightly as the 3rd option.

He is also just 26, healthy, and played 71 out of 72 possible games. Klay won't be back until December and even when he does, him, Steph and Draymond need to get their rest days.

There really aren't that many SFs who can be an upgrade of Wiggins.

I don't know why folks so want to trade Wiggins for whatever, maybe they don't actually watch the games?
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Re: Winning a Wiggins Trade 

Post#100 » by GSWFan1994 » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:35 am

You know what, if we get Klay back reasonably healthy, and if we start winning more games, Wiggins will get a lot of All-Star consideration.

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