Trade Talk (Part Six)

[Norseman79]

Ok, here's an idea...

Is there anyway we could build a trade around Okogie and Mitchell Robinson?

I have heard from Knicks fans that they love the idea of reuniting Okogie with Thibs.

Robinson seems to be on the outside looking in as far as the Knicks' front-court rotation.

Robinson gives us a rim protector and gives the Knicks a perimeter defender..

Okogie will make $2M more than Robinson next year, but I think the Knicks could absorb that difference, and that would also help us make room to bring Bolmaro over

I love Robinson, but if people were worried about Simmons shooting... Robinson is on par. That said, if all it took was Okoge...hell yes!! But it wouldn't be that cheap

[IceManBK1]

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Anyone we can trade for #5 and 8? Would orl take Culver for even #8? Lol... Culver was #6 and 6>8.

[slick21]

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Anyone we can trade for #5 and 8? Would orl take Culver for even #8? Lol... Culver was #6 and 6>8.

I think we'd be lucky to get salary relief and/or a 2nd rounder for Culver at this point.

[MN7725]

Culver (two years left on rookie deal) for Kevin Knox (one year left on rookie deal)

Knicks get another year of a rookie contract and a player who has shown defensive ability and ball handling, and they at least have success with guys improving their shots with Randle, Barrett, Knox and Frank N

Wolves get more of a combo forward sized player who started hitting shots last year, hopefully can be a role player, better version of Layman essentially

[moonpie]

In the event that CLE somehow ends up with Mobley, how about this 2 for 2 deal?

CLE trades Larry Nance Jr and Cedi Osman
MIN trades Malik Beasley and Jarrett Culver

For the Cavs, they get more balance to their lineup by moving one of Sexton/Garland to the 6th man role and start Malik. Take a flier on Culver and if he doesn't pan out, you can just not pick up his team option and get Cedi's deal off the books. This deal could also be done with Juancho instead of Culver who has that non-guarantee on his last year I believe and if the Cavs want a replacement level PF.

For the Wolves, Nance fits the PF mold we're looking for. Cedi is a decent jack-of-all trades player. Could roll with Jaden at the 3 alongside Nance to make for a pretty formidable defensive duo. Definitely some spacing concerns, but I'm banking on both Ant and Jaden improving their 3 point shot. I think Jaden, in particular, has a bigger offensive ceiling than just a simple 3&D guy as well. Nance has improved his outside jumper the past few years too.

[SO_MONEY]

In the event that CLE somehow ends up with Mobley, how about this 2 for 2 deal?

CLE trades Larry Nance Jr and Cedi Osman
MIN trades Malik Beasley and Jarrett Culver

For the Cavs, they get more balance to their lineup by moving one of Sexton/Garland to the 6th man role and start Malik. Take a flier on Culver and if he doesn't pan out, you can just not pick up his team option and get Cedi's deal off the books. This deal could also be done with Juancho instead of Culver who has that non-guarantee on his last year I believe and if the Cavs want a replacement level PF.

For the Wolves, Nance fits the PF mold we're looking for. Cedi is a decent jack-of-all trades player. Could roll with Jaden at the 3 alongside Nance to make for a pretty formidable defensive duo. Definitely some spacing concerns, but I'm banking on both Ant and Jaden improving their 3 point shot. I think Jaden, in particular, has a bigger offensive ceiling than just a simple 3&D guy as well. Nance has improved his outside jumper the past few years too.

Doesn't excite me much.

[Krapinsky]

In the event that CLE somehow ends up with Mobley, how about this 2 for 2 deal?

CLE trades Larry Nance Jr and Cedi Osman
MIN trades Malik Beasley and Jarrett Culver

For the Cavs, they get more balance to their lineup by moving one of Sexton/Garland to the 6th man role and start Malik. Take a flier on Culver and if he doesn't pan out, you can just not pick up his team option and get Cedi's deal off the books. This deal could also be done with Juancho instead of Culver who has that non-guarantee on his last year I believe and if the Cavs want a replacement level PF.

For the Wolves, Nance fits the PF mold we're looking for. Cedi is a decent jack-of-all trades player. Could roll with Jaden at the 3 alongside Nance to make for a pretty formidable defensive duo. Definitely some spacing concerns, but I'm banking on both Ant and Jaden improving their 3 point shot. I think Jaden, in particular, has a bigger offensive ceiling than just a simple 3&D guy as well. Nance has improved his outside jumper the past few years too.

Nance has some fans on this board, even one super fan in Klomp, but I am not one of them. I'd probably hold on to Beasley and hope to get something sweeter in return.

[Krapinsky]

Here's one:

Beasley for Josh Richardson and Finney-Smith.

I think Finney-Smith would fill a big need for us and I like him more than Nance.

[MN7725]

Here's one:

Beasley for Josh Richardson and Finney-Smith.

I think Finney-Smith would fill a big need for us and I like him more than Nance.

Would think Finney-Smith is untouchable with that contract, he shoots it almost as well as Beasley and is a good defender, which MB is not

Dallas would prefer Beasley instead of Richardson, who has fallen off a cliff since leaving Miami

Kleber I've always thought would be good "PF" fit next to KAT, but doubt the difference between JRich and Beasley would be enough to get Kleber/JRich for something like MB with Juancho or Culver for salary match

[Nick K]

I may be mistaken, it happens, but I believe one of the things Finch had mentioned was the need to get bigger in the front court. When I see some of the names people have thrown around, they don't fill that need. I'm not saying that they aren't solid players, I'm saying that they don't make us bigger in the front court. My guess, "guess", is that they are looking for a 6'10+ guy who can defend multiple positions, rebound, and ideally stick a corner three or run the floor as a slasher/lob option, or at least not be a total liability on offense. Try putting together a list of players that may be attainable that fit that description.

Usman Garuba

Yep. He's my sleeper I'd beg, borrow or steal to get. He's raw but he;s be perfect. Usman Garuba!

[Nick K]

In the event that CLE somehow ends up with Mobley, how about this 2 for 2 deal?

CLE trades Larry Nance Jr and Cedi Osman
MIN trades Malik Beasley and Jarrett Culver

For the Cavs, they get more balance to their lineup by moving one of Sexton/Garland to the 6th man role and start Malik. Take a flier on Culver and if he doesn't pan out, you can just not pick up his team option and get Cedi's deal off the books. This deal could also be done with Juancho instead of Culver who has that non-guarantee on his last year I believe and if the Cavs want a replacement level PF.

For the Wolves, Nance fits the PF mold we're looking for. Cedi is a decent jack-of-all trades player. Could roll with Jaden at the 3 alongside Nance to make for a pretty formidable defensive duo. Definitely some spacing concerns, but I'm banking on both Ant and Jaden improving their 3 point shot. I think Jaden, in particular, has a bigger offensive ceiling than just a simple 3&D guy as well. Nance has improved his outside jumper the past few years too.

It's a creative idea but Nance Jr. just isn't good enough and neither is Cedi. Decent idea though.

[shrink]

I think at 6-foot-7, Larry Nance is the type of PF we were looking for, before the change to Chris Finch. Rosas now seems more comfortable with two bigs, and he wants him to be able to “defend the rim, defend the perimeter, and rebound.”

[Neeva]

Nance does not have that type of value.Finney- smith tries hard but he isn’t very good.

[Neeva]

Here's one:

Beasley for Josh Richardson and Finney-Smith.

I think Finney-Smith would fill a big need for us and I like him more than Nance.

Would think Finney-Smith is untouchable with that contract, he shoots it almost as well as Beasley and is a good defender, which MB is not

Dallas would prefer Beasley instead of Richardson, who has fallen off a cliff since leaving Miami

Kleber I've always thought would be good "PF" fit next to KAT, but doubt the difference between JRich and Beasley would be enough to get Kleber/JRich for something like MB with Juancho or Culver for salary match

You overvalue those dallas guys.. Dallas fans are dying for a second option for their team.

[Norseman79]

I think at 6-foot-7, Larry Nance is the type of PF we were looking for, before the change to Chris Finch. Rosas now seems more comfortable with two bigs, and he wants him to be able to “defend the rim, defend the perimeter, and rebound.”

100% this

[Slim Tubby]

Here's one:

Beasley for Josh Richardson and Finney-Smith.

I think Finney-Smith would fill a big need for us and I like him more than Nance.

Would think Finney-Smith is untouchable with that contract, he shoots it almost as well as Beasley and is a good defender, which MB is not

Dallas would prefer Beasley instead of Richardson, who has fallen off a cliff since leaving Miami

Kleber I've always thought would be good "PF" fit next to KAT, but doubt the difference between JRich and Beasley would be enough to get Kleber/JRich for something like MB with Juancho or Culver for salary match

You overvalue those dallas guys.. Dallas fans are dying for a second option for their team.

What is with you lately? Did you eat Jeddz?


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[shrink]

As much as I hate bringing up Ben Simmons, I had a thought that I felt I need to share.

I see no way that PHI can avoid trading Simmons this summer, for whatever they can get for him. There is a wonderful player inside of Simmons, but I don’t think he can get out of his own head if he stays on the Sixers. After his horrible meltdown in the playoffs, after Embiid threw him under the bus (“the game changed when Simmons threw that pass”), and after Doc Rivers didn’t stick up for him, I doubt he can regain his confidence in PHI.

On top of that, I think the trade board (not necessarily the national media) is vastly over-rating what Simmons will bring back in trade. Ben is 24, but he hasn’t grown his game in years, and I think we have to reconcile ourselves that he will never be even an average shooter. He also has a huge salary - he is owed $140 million over the next four years! A team offering value has to believe that Ben can regain his confidence on their team, and make a franchise-altering bet that he will do it for them.

When I make trades, I don’t just look for good players - I look for opportunities for players to have a substantially better value, so that both teams can win a trade. Right now, there is no place worse for Simmons to be than PHI. I have to admit though, MIN is probably one of the best fits. I have railed on about how Simmons lack of shooting handcuffs Towns and Edwards, making it harder for them to operate at the hoop, and I don’t take that back. However, Simmons becomes truly valuable if he can recover emotionally. Minnesota is maybe his best chance. There is less media pressure, and most fans will embrace him, or any increase in talent. But more importantly, he may benefit from spending the summer with his high school teammate D’Angelo Russell. If we can keep him, we also have a player in Ricky Rubio who is a bit of a “guard whisperer,” and has helped Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, and Ant all make big jumps by helping them on and off the court.

I am not saying I endorse a trade for Simmons. But I think the large change in value between PHi-Simmons and MIN-Simmons could allow both teams to find a price they like.

[TaylorTag]

Would Houston be interested in Culver?

They have a tone of draft capital and are in rebuild mode, so taking a flyer on Culver would seem to make some sense. Culver has Texas roots, and may find it more comfortable playing down there.

Could be a win-win. Wolves save $6M (don't think Houston would need to send anything our way because of their cap space) and might be able to get a 2nd round pick at the same time..

[jpatrick]

If we’re not giving up DLo in the deal, what do you think we could give for Simmons?

Beasley, Rubio, future first? I just don’t think that gets it done. Do we need to throw in McDaniels? Not sure I can endorse that, but I also have an irrational love for McDaniels game and potential.

[shrink]

Would Houston be interested in Culver?

They have a tone of draft capital and are in rebuild mode, so taking a flyer on Culver would seem to make some sense. Culver has Texas roots, and may find it more comfortable playing down there.

Could be a win-win. Wolves save $6M (don't think Houston would need to send anything our way because of their cap space) and might be able to get a 2nd round pick at the same time..

Most people don’t think Culver will bring back any pick, and some even say we would have to pay to get off his contract. I am not so sure.

It may be a situation like, “Except for that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?”, but except for Culver’s shooting, he has a lot of pluses. He is long. He plays a position of need. He is already an okay defender. He is athletic. He’s a hard worker. He is a good kid. He has upside. For a GM comparing Culver to some of the kids he could select with a pick in the draft, Culver might be a better choice, especially if they don’t mind risking a little more salary.

But the key for me to fixing Culver is to fix his head. The kid gets down on himself so quickly, and once he misses a few shots, he rarely recovers. I think this may be that he is just so young, and was unprepared to move away from his home for the first time in his life, and take on the responsibilities and expectations. I think that if I was one of the three Texas teams or OKC, and were much closer to his family in Lubbock, that he would be a nice upside gamble. I endorse a trade to Houston.