2021 Draft Thread

[whatisacenter]

Just stating that I dont think Barnes will be there at 7 tho

highly doubt it and think he actually has a chance to climb into the top 5.

[DAWill1128]

I would be happy with Davion Mitchell at #7 and Corey Kispert at #14. Pick up a great defensive guard and a shooter who is great off ball.

Of course I am just going off the best players I saw that would be available and fit a need. At this point I don’t see any home runs at our draft position, the home run is probably an overseas guy I never watched.

I like Poole, and I think to open up his game letting Davion defend the tougher guard assignment and Kispert to spread the floor and move off ball makes sense.

Moody might be the best actual talent that could fall to #7, haven’t seen enough of him. Is Moody a bit redundant with Poole? Or is that appealing?

[Quazza]

Keon Johnson just set a new max vert jump with 48inches

God dam

[wco81]

Keon Johnson just set a new max vert jump with 48inches

God dam

They listed some of the prospects with the highest verticals measured over the years.

Most of them never became anything. Pat Conaughton, an okay role player, is about it.

[GSWFan1994]

Keon is really impressive in these highlights, no doubt about it

Watch on YouTube

[TB]

He broke the record by ALOT. His athleticism in videos is really impressive but doesn't scream "biggest jumper EVER". Plus his standing reach was suspiciously short (how they gauge the vert numbers). I think its a situation of him being an elite athlete but probably a few inches over-stated due to his wrong or cheated standing reach. Just my guess though.

[SAKURABA216]

After seeing Trae Young dominate the Bucks and realizing that there are quite a few speedy young guards on the rise, I think we could really use a guy like Davion Mitchell to help slow these guys down.

He might be the best 2 way player in this draft:

https://youtu.be/JPfRhWIh784

Has an elite first step that is even quicker than Jalen Green’s:

https://youtu.be/KN1HgUHOQQo


And he’s got the defensive skills to lock-up bigger guards:

https://youtu.be/lgAKvxn7NqY


He even has one of the best nicknames, “Off Night,” which belies how elite his defensive abilities are. I’m convinced now that he is going to be the BPA for us at #7.


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[wco81]

Trae will run pick and roll and get switched to a big. Then do just enough to get past the slower defender and then stop and draw cheap foul to go to the line. So just drafting someone to defend against the fast PGs is kind of a waste. More than likely that small defender will be hunted by big forwards.

He's only played 13 playoffs games but he's already averaging about double the FTAs that Curry has in his entire playoffs career. NBA officiating is protecting him, for some unfathomable reason.

[Onus]

Trae will run pick and roll and get switched to a big. Then do just enough to get past the slower defender and then stop and draw cheap foul to go to the line. So just drafting someone to defend against the fast PGs is kind of a waste. More than likely that small defender will be hunted by big forwards.

He's only played 13 playoffs games but he's already averaging about double the FTAs that Curry has in his entire playoffs career. NBA officiating is protecting him, for some unfathomable reason.

I mean it's going to take a lot to get Mitchell off you. Most of these screens at half court aint cutting it because Mitchell is pretty fast and he actually gets back to the ball handler if he wants to. In any case he's going to speed you up.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Mitchell’s on the ball defense is impressive. Maybe the best lateral quickness I’ve ever seen. And since today’s NBA rules basically don’t allow you to challenge jumpshots, I don’t think his lack of length matters that much.

[Onus]

With Trae and Cam being unstoppable in these conference finals, how can anyone be worried about Davion's height? Trae and Cam aren't nearly the defender that Davion is

[Onus]

I really like JT Thor and Herb Jones and Trey Murphy as late 1st and 2nd rd picks

[SAKURABA216]

Trae will run pick and roll and get switched to a big. Then do just enough to get past the slower defender and then stop and draw cheap foul to go to the line. So just drafting someone to defend against the fast PGs is kind of a waste. More than likely that small defender will be hunted by big forwards.

He's only played 13 playoffs games but he's already averaging about double the FTAs that Curry has in his entire playoffs career. NBA officiating is protecting him, for some unfathomable reason.

Lol that’s a good point. In that case I think Scottie Barnes could be good since he can defend 1-5 and could potentially defend guys like Trae as well as Ben Simmons did without being hunted by bigger players. The problem with Barnes is that he can’t shoot, but it would be interesting to have another playmaking big on the floor with Dray.


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[Scoots1994]

Keon Johnson just set a new max vert jump with 48inches

God dam

They listed some of the prospects with the highest verticals measured over the years.

Most of them never became anything. Pat Conaughton, an okay role player, is about it.

That scrub Michael Jordan had a 48inch vertical.

[Scoots1994]

Mitchell tape from last year is great. The issues are length, age, and not much tape for his age.

I think he'd fit great and he fits the win-now idea.

[wco81]

Keon Johnson just set a new max vert jump with 48inches

God dam

They listed some of the prospects with the highest verticals measured over the years.

Most of them never became anything. Pat Conaughton, an okay role player, is about it.

That scrub Michael Jordan had a 48inch vertical.

Apparently MJ wasn’t measured in the combine because his name wasn’t listed.

I think Pippen also had great hops. But what mad MJ so effective was his ballhandling along with hops to get to the rim whenever he wanted. Then he developed a consistent midrange jumper, along with back to the basket game later in his career.

[Scoots1994]

They listed some of the prospects with the highest verticals measured over the years.

Most of them never became anything. Pat Conaughton, an okay role player, is about it.

That scrub Michael Jordan had a 48inch vertical.

Apparently MJ wasn’t measured in the combine because his name wasn’t listed.

I think Pippen also had great hops. But what mad MJ so effective was his ballhandling along with hops to get to the rim whenever he wanted. Then he developed a consistent midrange jumper, along with back to the basket game later in his career.

He did develop those things ... but what made him great was that he was insanely competitive, the natural athleticism just helped

Total aside, but I often think about that era and how we had Grezky, Jordan, and Jerry Rice at the same time, all insanely driven and all the GOAT.

[FNQ]

Mitchell’s on the ball defense is impressive. Maybe the best lateral quickness I’ve ever seen. And since today’s NBA rules basically don’t allow you to challenge jumpshots, I don’t think his lack of length matters that much.

He's a good player - couldnt disagree more about length FWIW - but I think the issue isn't his skill or potential, I think its fit. Curry's our PG, and Poole's his mini-me. We'd be forced to play Mitchell with one of those 2 pretty much for all of his PT, and that would be 2 players with either severe defensive weaknesses or less ability to disrupt shooters on switches (where length is very important)

[FNQ]

He broke the record by ALOT. His athleticism in videos is really impressive but doesn't scream "biggest jumper EVER". Plus his standing reach was suspiciously short (how they gauge the vert numbers). I think its a situation of him being an elite athlete but probably a few inches over-stated due to his wrong or cheated standing reach. Just my guess though.

Yup I'd wager this as well. Either way its not something I think that carries a lot of weight, I remember vividly about Joe Alexander headbutting the rim. He shot up draft boards because of his vert, but I said then and I say now.. what good is it? Dunk contest fodder?

Keon's status should remain unchanged.. he's a defense first guy that you hope becomes a passable enough offensive player and finds a role as an Artest-like player, but I'm always worried these types become Chris Singleton's or Andre Roberson's.. pure defenders. And you don't want to grab those types in the lottery. Or in the first at all if I'm being honest

[Onus]

Mitchell’s on the ball defense is impressive. Maybe the best lateral quickness I’ve ever seen. And since today’s NBA rules basically don’t allow you to challenge jumpshots, I don’t think his lack of length matters that much.

He's a good player - couldnt disagree more about length FWIW - but I think the issue isn't his skill or potential, I think its fit. Curry's our PG, and Poole's his mini-me. We'd be forced to play Mitchell with one of those 2 pretty much for all of his PT, and that would be 2 players with either severe defensive weaknesses or less ability to disrupt shooters on switches (where length is very important)

I think he could play with either tbh. Neither Curry or Poole are great on ball defenders and Mitchell would pick that role up instantly. He fights over screens and is able to get back to his man, this would really help Wiseman. Closing out to shooters off of rotations would probably be more of an issue but he knows how to play defense and if he can be a pest and not give someone space any daylight that player does see they would feel sped up, so he would still have an affect of closing out just by being a constant presence.

I'm not sure how he'd be able to handle Luka though ...

But really if he's afforded space with a 4 out offense. Mitchell, Curry, Klay, Murphy, Draymond who is going to be able to stay in front of Mitchell while guarding Curry? That lineup will be very tough to guard while being pretty good defensively