Alperen Şengün

[Mirotic12]

(Part 3)

Alperen Sengun

He played in Turkey's league, was the MVP, and he was deserving of it, so not like the Avdjia and Vezenkov examples. However, he played in a crappy team, despite that some claim otherwise. It's a crap level team for the standards of Europe. And the Turkish League is an OK league for European standards. It's certainly in the upper tier of domestic leagues in Europe, but nonetheless, overall it's also far below the level of EuroLeague, and it's also below the level of the secondary European leagues, like the EuroCup and FIBA Champions League.

Sengun's team, Besiktas, actually played in the 4th tier European league, the FIBA Europe Cup. That's 3 league levels below the EuroLeague. And that league is absolute trash. And his team didn't even do jack at that 4th European level. They were eliminated at the first group stage of the competition. Sengun had great numbers in that league, but it's the 4th level European league. It's a lower level than the Turkish League is. It's miles below the level of the EuroLeague. So it's much different than Doncic's situation was in Real Madrid.

Let's look at how Sengun played in the Turkish League playoffs against Efes. Efes won the EuroLeague championship. Sengun's team got swept by Efes 3 games to 0. The scores of the three games were Efes 96 - Besiktas 77, Efes 104 - Besiktas 86, and Efes 96 - Besiktas 66. So all three games were blowouts.

In that series, Sengun performed like this:

Game 1:

Efes 96 - Besiktas 77 (19 point loss)

6 points
3 rebounds
2 assists
0 steals
0 blocks

Game 2:

Efes 104 - Besiktas 86 (18 point loss)

15 points
2 rebounds
2 assists
0 steals
1 block

Game 3:

Efes 96 - Besiktas 66 (30 point loss)

23 points
7 rebounds
5 assists
0 steals
0 blocks

So in the Turkish League playoffs against Efes, Sengun's team was swept 3-0 and blown out in every game, losing by an average point margin of 22.3 points per game. In the series, Sengun's numbers were:

14.7 points per game
4.0 rebounds per game
3.0 assists per game
0.0 steals per game
0.3 blocks per game

So basically, a huge drop in production, and his team being blown out in three straight games. It's against an elite EuroLeague team, and it's a small sample size, but that gives an indication of his actual current level as a player.

To give a comparison, Mam Jaiteh is a French center that was also playing in a crap team in the Turkish League this season. Here were Mam Jaiteh's numbers in the Turkish League this year:

16.7 points per game
10.8 rebounds per game
2.1 assists per game
0.7 steals per game
0.9 blocks per game

Mam Jaiteh - as a comparison example (production wise):

Mam Jaiteh is 26, so that's why you are not hearing about him in the US sports media. His team didn't play in a European league this season. But Jaiteh has played in European leagues before.

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=002581&seasoncode=E2013

4.6 points
3.7 rebounds
0.3 assists
0.4 steals
0.4 blocks

Jaiteh had great production in the Turkish League this season, but previously, he didn't do jack squat in the EuroLeague.

This was Jaiteh's production the last time he played in the EuroCup (2nd level European league):

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=002581&seasoncode=U2018

4.3 points
4.8 rebounds
1.5 assists
0.3 steals
0.3 blocks

Jaiteh didn't do jack squat in a secondary level European league either. But his numbers jumped way up while he was playing in a crap Turkish League team this season. To be clear, I'm not comparing Jaieth and Sengun as players. Sengun is very skilled and talented and I'm not talking about it in that way. I'm just trying to make it clear as to what level of player Sengun was actually at in a true European sense this season, instead of the nonsense BS you will see in US sports media.

If you read some of those US sports media draft articles, they make it sound like Sengun was the best player in Europe, like he was playing in the best league in Europe, and like he was dominating this, and dominating that, and blah, blah, blah - just a complete total bunch of stupid hype gimmicks for NBA marketing.

You have to have actual objective analysis in its proper context, with a proper base to compare to, and with an actual understanding of what it really means. Not some of this nonsense you will see in some draft articles like, "Sengun was totally dominating against grown men in a premier European league". That's amateurish analysis at best, and it's possibly even in the realm of being clownish analysis.

The reality is that Sengun was extremely good by European standards, for his age. In an overall sense, of course not. If he was playing in the EuroLeague, he would have been a role player. Of course being a role player in the EuroLeague at age 18, and being a big man on top it, since they usually develop slower, is very good. It's very difficult to do that at that age, especially for a center.

But regardless, he would have been a role player in EuroLeague. So people should really just ignore all that "dominating and destroying the best competition in Europe" nonsense in US sports media. That kind of silly "analysis" is enough for me to know right away that they have very limited knowledge or understanding of anything about European basketball.

[Yallbecrazy]

(Part 3)

Alperen Sengun

He played in Turkey's league, was the MVP, and he was deserving of it, so not like the Avdjia and Vezenkov examples. However, he played in a crappy team, despite that some claim otherwise. It's a crap level team for the standards of Europe. And the Turkish League is an OK league for European standards. It's certainly in the upper tier of domestic leagues in Europe, but nonetheless, overall it's also far below the level of EuroLeague, and it's also below the level of the secondary European leagues, like the EuroCup and FIBA Champions League.

Sengun's team, Besiktas, actually played in the 4th tier European league, the FIBA Europe Cup. That's 3 league levels below the EuroLeague. And that league is absolute trash. And his team didn't even do jack at that 4th European level. They were eliminated at the first group stage of the competition. Sengun had great numbers in that league, but it's the 4th level European league. It's a lower level than the Turkish League is. It's miles below the level of the EuroLeague. So it's much different than Doncic's situation was in Real Madrid.

Let's look at how Sengun played in the Turkish League playoffs against Efes. Efes won the EuroLeague championship. Sengun's team got swept by Efes 3 games to 0. The scores of the three games were Efes 96 - Besiktas 77, Efes 104 - Besiktas 86, and Efes 96 - Besiktas 66. So all three games were blowouts.

In that series, Sengun performed like this:

Game 1:

Efes 96 - Besiktas 77 (19 point loss)

6 points
3 rebounds
2 assists
0 steals
0 blocks

Game 2:

Efes 104 - Besiktas 86 (18 point loss)

15 points
2 rebounds
2 assists
0 steals
1 block

Game 3:

Efes 96 - Besiktas 66 (30 point loss)

23 points
7 rebounds
5 assists
0 steals
0 blocks

So in the Turkish League playoffs against Efes, Sengun's team was swept 3-0 and blown out in every game, losing by an average point margin of 22.3 points per game. In the series, Sengun's numbers were:

14.7 points per game
4.0 rebounds per game
3.0 assists per game
0.0 steals per game
0.3 blocks per game

So basically, a huge drop in production, and his team being blown out in three straight games. It's against an elite EuroLeague team, and it's a small sample size, but that gives an indication of his actual current level as a player.

To give a comparison, Mam Jaiteh is a French center that was also playing in a crap team in the Turkish League this season. Here were Mam Jaiteh's numbers in the Turkish League this year:

16.7 points per game
10.8 rebounds per game
2.1 assists per game
0.7 steals per game
0.9 blocks per game

Mam Jaiteh - as a comparison example (production wise):

Mam Jaiteh is 26, so that's why you are not hearing about him in the US sports media. His team didn't play in a European league this season. But Jaiteh has played in European leagues before.

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=002581&seasoncode=E2013

4.6 points
3.7 rebounds
0.3 assists
0.4 steals
0.4 blocks

Jaiteh had great production in the Turkish League this season, but previously, he didn't do jack squat in the EuroLeague.

This was Jaiteh's production the last time he played in the EuroCup (2nd level European league):

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=002581&seasoncode=U2018

4.3 points
4.8 rebounds
1.5 assists
0.3 steals
0.3 blocks

Jaiteh didn't do jack squat in a secondary level European league either. But his numbers jumped way up while he was playing in a crap Turkish League team this season. To be clear, I'm not comparing Jaieth and Sengun as players. Sengun is very skilled and talented and I'm not talking about it in that way. I'm just trying to make it clear as to what level of player Sengun was actually at in a true European sense this season, instead of the nonsense BS you will see in US sports media.

If you read some of those US sports media draft articles, they make it sound like Sengun was the best player in Europe, like he was playing in the best league in Europe, and like he was dominating this, and dominating that, and blah, blah, blah - just a complete total bunch of stupid hype gimmicks for NBA marketing.

You have to have actual objective analysis in its proper context, with a proper base to compare to, and with an actual understanding of what it really means. Not some of this nonsense you will see in some draft articles like, "Sengun was totally dominating against grown men in a premier European league". That's amateurish analysis at best, and it's possibly even in the realm of being clownish analysis.

The reality is that Sengun was extremely good by European standards, for his age. In an overall sense, of course not. If he was playing in the EuroLeague, he would have been a role player. Of course being a role player in the EuroLeague at age 18, and being a big man on top it, since they usually develop slower, is very good. It's very difficult to do that at that age, especially for a center.

But regardless, he would have been a role player in EuroLeague. So people should really just ignore all that "dominating and destroying the best competition in Europe" nonsense in US sports media. That kind of silly "analysis" is enough for me to know right away that they have very limited knowledge or understanding of anything about European basketball.

I have seen conflicting box scores, in the final game I saw a box score where he had two blocks.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/175107/alperen-sengun/games Will show all his games, he did do well in the regular season against Galatasaray which is the #2 team in Turkey this year and one of the top teams in Europe.

Unfortunately I don't see turnovers on that site listed above, but found them on others when looking at the playoff box scores.

It's really hard to gather too much from playoff games when you have one clear best player on a weak team vs a really good team. I didn't watch the games so it may have been in game 1 they double teamed him all the time, but in the other games they let him go 1 on 1 vs their giant 7'3 former NBA centre Tibor Pleiss.

[nolang1]

Why is Sengun the only player this board talks about. Seemingly all the threads for the top 10 prospects are pages back.

It's mostly the same thing with Pokusevski last year where they're the European players who had their stock rise the most over the year and because most people didn't watch any of them until after the college season was done, there's more 'new' stuff to discuss about them closer to the draft. Plus that just begs the dumb "Euro man of mystery" type of arguments where their detractors will say their height is fake news while everyone else says that European teams generally list their players' barefoot height and are certainly no more likely to gas up a player's height than a college team. And then because it's a European prospect you have the usual suspects just going off on tangents and getting in arguments about random obscure Euroleague stuff.

[Mirotic12]

I have seen conflicting box scores, in the final game I saw a box score where he had two blocks.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/175107/alperen-sengun/games Will show all his games, he did do well in the regular season against Galatasaray which is the #2 team in Turkey this year and one of the top teams in Europe.

Unfortunately I don't see turnovers on that site listed above, but found them on others when looking at the playoff box scores.

It's really hard to gather too much from playoff games when you have one clear best player on a weak team vs a really good team. I didn't watch the games so it may have been in game 1 they double teamed him all the time, but in the other games they let him go 1 on 1 vs their giant 7'3 former NBA centre Tibor Pleiss.

Galatasaray isn't the 2nd best team in the Turkish League. They were actually one of the worst Turkish teams this season.

Efes didn't double team Sengun in any of the games.

Tibor Pleiss is Efes' 3rd string center.

I used the box scores from eurobasket.com - like proballers.com they are usually fairly reliable, but both sites do sometimes have errors and/or omissions in their stats. The Turkish League's official website is better to use for accuracy. I just don't like using the Turkish League's website, because it's not that easy to navigate.

Here is the Turkish League's official site:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021

Here are the box scores of the playoff games between Efes and Sengun's team (Besiktas):

Game 1:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3559/istatistik#average-stats

Game 2:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3561/istatistik#average-stats

Game 3:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3563/istatistik

The Turkish League also has an English version website, which is easier to navigate. But it's also less detailed than the main site. It doesn't list and rank the stats in an official manner. Like how it divides the stats from regular season and playoffs, like NBA style, when in official European stats they count them both together, like NCAA style.

http://www.tblstat.net/

It has all of Sengun's game logs listed at the link below. But it doesn't list blocks, and the site's box scores don't list them either.

http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=3076&s=2021

But the main official site shows 0 blocks for game 3 of the playoff series.

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3563/istatistik

[Yallbecrazy]

I have seen conflicting box scores, in the final game I saw a box score where he had two blocks.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/175107/alperen-sengun/games Will show all his games, he did do well in the regular season against Galatasaray which is the #2 team in Turkey this year and one of the top teams in Europe.

Unfortunately I don't see turnovers on that site listed above, but found them on others when looking at the playoff box scores.

It's really hard to gather too much from playoff games when you have one clear best player on a weak team vs a really good team. I didn't watch the games so it may have been in game 1 they double teamed him all the time, but in the other games they let him go 1 on 1 vs their giant 7'3 former NBA centre Tibor Pleiss.

Galatasaray isn't the 2nd best team in the Turkish League. They were actually one of the worst Turkish teams this season.

Efes didn't double team Sengun in any of the games.

Tibor Pleiss is Efes' 3rd string center.

I used the box scores from eurobasket.com - like proballers.com they are usually fairly reliable, but both sites do sometimes have errors and/or omissions in their stats. The Turkish League's official website is better to use for accuracy. I just don't like using the Turkish League's website, because it's not that easy to navigate.

Here is the Turkish League's official site:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021

Here are the box scores of the playoff games between Efes and Sengun's team (Besiktas):

Game 1:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3559/istatistik#average-stats

Game 2:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3561/istatistik#average-stats

Game 3:

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3563/istatistik

The Turkish League also has an English version website, which is easier to navigate. But it's also less detailed than the main site. It doesn't list and rank the stats in an official manner. Like how it divides the stats from regular season and playoffs, like NBA style, when in official European stats they count them both together, like NCAA style.

http://www.tblstat.net/

It has all of Sengun's game logs listed at the link below. But it doesn't list blocks, and the site's box scores don't list them either.

http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=3076&s=2021

But the main official site shows 0 blocks for game 3 of the playoff series.

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/mac-detay/1EA3563/istatistik

Oops I confuse Gala and Fener all the time.

Anadolu actually beat Fener by more than they did vs Besiktas

[Mirotic12]

Oops I confuse Gala and Fener all the time.

Anadolu actually beat Fener by more than they did vs Besiktas

Fener had several rotation players out with injuries. They only had 5 players out of their normal 10-11 man rotation. You have to put in proper context. Half of their team was missing in those games. So that shouldn't be used as a way to compare to how Besiktas performed against Efes, at a similar level to Fener.

[Charm]

I appreciate all the discussion trying to put Sengun's production in context in Europe. But I really think it's much simpler than that. Just two questions:

Q: If he'd played in the NCAA instead, would he have won the Wooden Award?

A: Yes. Even if you translate his numbers straight-up (e.g. win shares), he's on par with Garza. If he'd played a typical NCAA schedule he'd be comfortably ahead.

Q: Given that, where should he be drafted?

A: Freshman Wooden Award winners should always be drafted #1.

[Mirotic12]

I appreciate all the discussion trying to put Sengun's production in context in Europe. But I really think it's much simpler than that. Just two questions:

Q: If he'd played in the NCAA instead, would he have won the Wooden Award?

A: Yes. Even if you translate his numbers straight-up (e.g. win shares), he's on par with Garza. If he'd played a typical NCAA schedule he'd be comfortably ahead.

Q: Given that, where should he be drafted?

A: Freshman Wooden Award winners should always be drafted #1.

For a college baseline to compare, let's use Zach Auguste........he's in the peak time of his career now, and he was Panathinaikos' 3rd string center in EuroLeague this season. The same Zach Auguste was one of the best centers in the NCAA, while playing in a major conference. And Auguste has actually improved a lot as a player since he was in college. For example, he's quite a bit better now than he was when he first came to Europe.

Sengun would have been a role player in a good EuroLeague team this past season, but I am 100% positive that he's a much better center than Zach Auguste is. Zach Auguste was pretty good in the Turkish League when he played there, but not close to as good as Sengun.

So Zach Auguste was one of the best centers in the NCAA. He's now quite a bit better of a player than he was in college. At the peak time of his career, he wasn't nearly as good in the Turkish League as Sengun was at 18.

[Charm]

I appreciate all the discussion trying to put Sengun's production in context in Europe. But I really think it's much simpler than that. Just two questions:

Q: If he'd played in the NCAA instead, would he have won the Wooden Award?

A: Yes. Even if you translate his numbers straight-up (e.g. win shares), he's on par with Garza. If he'd played a typical NCAA schedule he'd be comfortably ahead.

Q: Given that, where should he be drafted?

A: Freshman Wooden Award winners should always be drafted #1.

For a college baseline to compare, let's use Zach Auguste........he's in the peak time of his career now, and he was Panathinaikos' 3rd string center in EuroLeague this season. The same Zach Auguste was one of the best centers in the NCAA, while playing in a major conference. And Auguste has actually improved a lot as a player since he was in college. For example, he's quite a bit better now than he was when he first came to Europe.

Sengun would have been a role player in a good EuroLeague team this past season, but I am 100% positive that he's a much better center than Zach Auguste is. Zach Auguste was pretty good in the Turkish League when he played there, but not close to as good as Sengun.

So Zach Auguste was one of the best centers in the NCAA. He's now quite a bit better of a player than he was in college. At the peak time of his career, he wasn't nearly as good in the Turkish League as Sengun was at 18.

Just to bring things closer together, consider Wiltjer and Atkins, who're both right in their primes and were (arguably) the best offensive big and best defensive big in the NCAA by the time they graduated. Both have improved further since then. Sengun outproduced Wiltjer on offense and Atkins on defense in the same season at age 18. How crazy is that?

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Zach August was horrible in the Euroleague and because he came with the ticket of being drafted by the Lakers and playing well in the SL I mean he doesn't have the level to play there I didn't know that he was still in Pao I didn't watch him play lol

To be clear about the leagues and those Mvp's. Vezenkov I don't know how he won the Greek Mvp but when he sign with Barcelona I watch Barcelona a lot and he undid in the Euroleague and Acb level. He looked with some potential sometimes as a scorer and strech four but he was a liability in a lot of aspects doesn't have the phisicality level to play at that level and the talent/confidence until he ended in the last player of the rotation and ended transfered.

Advidja well the Israel league I know two teams because they have the same name Maccabi and Maccabi Haifa lol I think Maccabi was playing in the Adriatic League because of how bad level of the Israeli league was. I tough that this league was disappeared. When he played in the Euroleague he doesn't have a game that I remember good when I watched him the only he does was sometimes good effort plays on defense and didn't play almost in a lot of games 10 or 15 minutes

The Turkish league I think because I didn't watched a game lol has a little bit more level and is more competitive. Galatasaray isn't close to what he was an Euroleague team because of the money someone put and probably they broked Darussafaka was the same and I don't know how they ended. Fener and Efes it's the same those two yes are a top two teams in Europe at the best level with a rotation of the best European players and former Nba players. Besides that the level of the league probably is poor without any team that can compete in the best leagues. Probably could be similiar to the Greek League if this kid was the Mvp he play versus a lot of random turkish teams that they couldn't play in the best leagues and he didn't played close to the best level in Europe only versus Efes and Fener

Doncic dominates the Euroleague and the Acb being the leader. That's a totally diferent level that's literally dominate the best league in Europe and the best domestic league in Europe with 8-10 teams that they could be teams of the Euroleague and Eurocup. No one did this at his age the closes ones maybe are Petrovic or Kukoc. Gasol was 21 when he dominates the Acb. Sabonis didn't play in the Euroleague when he was young but he could do something probably similar if he would have played.

The only kids that has impacted at 18-19 years old in the bigger stage in Europe versus the best teams are Doncic and Garuba playing a big role in one of the best teams in Europe. The first one literally dominates in his last season and the second one he let some streches of dominance mostly in the Playoffs of the Euroleague and Acb basically of pure IQ rebound phisicality and defense looking like he was playing at another level versus grown mans but nothing similar to Luka well I think Usman in the only playoffs of the Euroleague he played he dominates more than Luka in the two Playoffs that he played in the Euroleague versus Fener and Pao lol.

[GSWFan1994]

For a college baseline to compare, let's use Zach Auguste........he's in the peak time of his career now, and he was Panathinaikos' 3rd string center in EuroLeague this season. The same Zach Auguste was one of the best centers in the NCAA, while playing in a major conference. And Auguste has actually improved a lot as a player since he was in college. For example, he's quite a bit better now than he was when he first came to Europe.

Sengun would have been a role player in a good EuroLeague team this past season, but I am 100% positive that he's a much better center than Zach Auguste is. Zach Auguste was pretty good in the Turkish League when he played there, but not close to as good as Sengun.

So Zach Auguste was one of the best centers in the NCAA. He's now quite a bit better of a player than he was in college. At the peak time of his career, he wasn't nearly as good in the Turkish League as Sengun was at 18.

Thanks for the write-ups.

Where would you rank Sengun in this year's draft?

[EvanZ]

Here's a full playoff game from a month ago against Efes. He comes off the bench and is going against Sertac. Probably a good one to watch with a critical eye.

Watch on YouTube

[EvanZ]

I appreciate all the discussion trying to put Sengun's production in context in Europe. But I really think it's much simpler than that. Just two questions:

Q: If he'd played in the NCAA instead, would he have won the Wooden Award?

A: Yes. Even if you translate his numbers straight-up (e.g. win shares), he's on par with Garza. If he'd played a typical NCAA schedule he'd be comfortably ahead.

Q: Given that, where should he be drafted?

A: Freshman Wooden Award winners should always be drafted #1.

Talk about begging the question. It's unlikely he would have even been better in college than Mobley.

[Charm]

I appreciate all the discussion trying to put Sengun's production in context in Europe. But I really think it's much simpler than that. Just two questions:

Q: If he'd played in the NCAA instead, would he have won the Wooden Award?

A: Yes. Even if you translate his numbers straight-up (e.g. win shares), he's on par with Garza. If he'd played a typical NCAA schedule he'd be comfortably ahead.

Q: Given that, where should he be drafted?

A: Freshman Wooden Award winners should always be drafted #1.

Talk about begging the question. It's unlikely he would have even been better in college than Mobley.

You think? Why not watch Mobley's game against Gonzaga (a far, far worse team than Efes) with a "critical eye"?

[peZt]

Is he gonna have the same role in the NBA as with Beşiktaş? If yes then his potential will be limited cause he just won't be as effective in the low post with his length and athleticism.
It all depends on if he can get a 3 point shot and play more like a traditional 4. Like Kevin Love. If yes, and I am confident he will, then he has all star potential.

[Charm]

Is he gonna have the same role in the NBA as with Beşiktaş? If yes then his potential will be limited cause he just won't be as effective in the low post with his length and athleticism.
It all depends on if he can get a 3 point shot and play more like a traditional 4. Like Kevin Love. If yes, and I am confident he will, then he has all star potential.

I think this is a mischaracterization of his role with Besiktas. They didn't actually play an old-fashioned post-centric offense...they were the fastest-paced team in the league, and Sengun made a lot of his best plays in transition and on the perimeter. He can certainly punish mismatches in the post, but he's not reliant on post scoring to make an impact.

[Yallbecrazy]

Here's a full playoff game from a month ago against Efes. He comes off the bench and is going against Sertac. Probably a good one to watch with a critical eye.

Watch on YouTube

It's really hard to read into him from this video although that step back corner 3 at 1:21:48 was filthy. He will have an outside shot for sure based on his form.

It appears as though there isn't a defensive 3 second rule in this league as when he touched the ball in the post everyone collapsed and sometimes they had their other big just standing under the basket waiting to help on him. His skill is really incredible for his age, but outside of a couple of teammates the guys he's playing with are just flat out terrible. Hard to scout when he's playing against really good, skilled, athletic opponents and with guys who don't cut well and absolutely cannot make a second pass after he finds them. If his team finished 5th in the league then either he absolutely carried them, or outside of the top 2 or 3 teams; the Turkish league is no better and maybe worse than the ACC. That being said it it is pretty impressive for him to put up the stats he did as a big just based on the style of the game even if the competition he was against is weak.

Conclusion:
Positives: His passing is good, he will be an effective 3 pt shooter, his post moves are great, his defensive BBIQ is really good for his age. I can really see him developing into a super skilled weapon in the league. Very strong as well. If matched against big centres he will be able to pull them away from the basket. He can handle the ball as well.


Negatives: Hard to read into his post ability vs what he will face in the NBA, will those moves work against guys that are bigger and stronger than him? His passing may develop into a weapon in the NBA and is very advanced for his age, but he will have more turnovers than assists as a rookie. Decent athlete, but will be below average in the league.

Upside Comparison: Slightly more athletic Kevin Love with much better defensive IQ or rich man's Domantas Sabonis.

[Charm]

Here's a full playoff game from a month ago against Efes. He comes off the bench and is going against Sertac. Probably a good one to watch with a critical eye.

Watch on YouTube

It's really hard to read into him from this video although that step back corner 3 at 1:21:48 was filthy. He will have an outside shot for sure based on his form.

It appears as though there isn't a defensive 3 second rule in this league as when he touched the ball in the post everyone collapsed and sometimes they had their other big just standing under the basket waiting to help on him. His skill is really incredible for his age, but outside of a couple of teammates the guys he's playing with are just flat out terrible. Hard to scout when he's playing against really good, skilled, athletic opponents and with guys who don't cut well and absolutely cannot make a second pass after he finds them. If his team finished 5th in the league then either he absolutely carried them, or outside of the top 2 or 3 teams; the Turkish league is no better and maybe worse than the ACC. That being said it it is pretty impressive for him to put up the stats he did as a big just based on the style of the game even if the competition he was against is weak.

Conclusion:
Positives: His passing is good, he will be an effective 3 pt shooter, his post moves are great, his defensive BBIQ is really good for his age. I can really see him developing into a super skilled weapon in the league. Very strong as well. If matched against big centres he will be able to pull them away from the basket. He can handle the ball as well.


Negatives: Hard to read into his post ability vs what he will face in the NBA, will those moves work against guys that are bigger and stronger than him? His passing may develop into a weapon in the NBA and is very advanced for his age, but he will have more turnovers than assists as a rookie. Decent athlete, but will be below average in the league.

Comparison: Kevin Love with much better defensive IQ or Domantas Sabonis with more upside

Besiktas isn’t bad…Efes is just really good. Three of Besiktas’s key rotation players (Berry, Johnson, and Blackmon) played in the NCAA recently, and would be star players on most ACC teams if they were playing in the NCAA now. Hazer and Osmani are at least as good as those three. So even without Sengun, they’d have a very competitive lineup for an NCAA team. The level of competition in Turkey is just much highe.

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Here's a full playoff game from a month ago against Efes. He comes off the bench and is going against Sertac. Probably a good one to watch with a critical eye.

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It's really hard to read into him from this video although that step back corner 3 at 1:21:48 was filthy. He will have an outside shot for sure based on his form.

It appears as though there isn't a defensive 3 second rule in this league as when he touched the ball in the post everyone collapsed and sometimes they had their other big just standing under the basket waiting to help on him. His skill is really incredible for his age, but outside of a couple of teammates the guys he's playing with are just flat out terrible. Hard to scout when he's playing against really good, skilled, athletic opponents and with guys who don't cut well and absolutely cannot make a second pass after he finds them. If his team finished 5th in the league then either he absolutely carried them, or outside of the top 2 or 3 teams; the Turkish league is no better and maybe worse than the ACC. That being said it it is pretty impressive for him to put up the stats he did as a big just based on the style of the game even if the competition he was against is weak.

Conclusion:
Positives: His passing is good, he will be an effective 3 pt shooter, his post moves are great, his defensive BBIQ is really good for his age. I can really see him developing into a super skilled weapon in the league. Very strong as well. If matched against big centres he will be able to pull them away from the basket. He can handle the ball as well.


Negatives: Hard to read into his post ability vs what he will face in the NBA, will those moves work against guys that are bigger and stronger than him? His passing may develop into a weapon in the NBA and is very advanced for his age, but he will have more turnovers than assists as a rookie. Decent athlete, but will be below average in the league.

Comparison: Kevin Love with much better defensive IQ or Domantas Sabonis with more upside

Besiktas isn’t bad…Efes is just really good. Three of Besiktas’s key rotation players (Berry, Johnson, and Blackmon) played in the NCAA recently, and would be star players on most ACC teams if they were playing in the NCAA now. Hazer and Osmani are at least as good as those three. So even without Sengun, they’d have a very competitive lineup for an NCAA team. The level of competition in Turkey is just much highe.

Could be poor coaching then, it seemed as though the defense just packed the paint against him and I couldn't decide what he should do with the ball as no one seemed to be open. When they let their defender guard him 1 on 1 in the post he ate them up with ease.
Also, poor refereeing in this league. They let a lot go, first possession of the game he draws the foul really well and it's not called and he gets T'd up. He had another turnover or two where he was fouled as well.

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It's really hard to read into him from this video although that step back corner 3 at 1:21:48 was filthy. He will have an outside shot for sure based on his form.

It appears as though there isn't a defensive 3 second rule in this league as when he touched the ball in the post everyone collapsed and sometimes they had their other big just standing under the basket waiting to help on him. His skill is really incredible for his age, but outside of a couple of teammates the guys he's playing with are just flat out terrible. Hard to scout when he's playing against really good, skilled, athletic opponents and with guys who don't cut well and absolutely cannot make a second pass after he finds them. If his team finished 5th in the league then either he absolutely carried them, or outside of the top 2 or 3 teams; the Turkish league is no better and maybe worse than the ACC. That being said it it is pretty impressive for him to put up the stats he did as a big just based on the style of the game even if the competition he was against is weak.

Conclusion:
Positives: His passing is good, he will be an effective 3 pt shooter, his post moves are great, his defensive BBIQ is really good for his age. I can really see him developing into a super skilled weapon in the league. Very strong as well. If matched against big centres he will be able to pull them away from the basket. He can handle the ball as well.


Negatives: Hard to read into his post ability vs what he will face in the NBA, will those moves work against guys that are bigger and stronger than him? His passing may develop into a weapon in the NBA and is very advanced for his age, but he will have more turnovers than assists as a rookie. Decent athlete, but will be below average in the league.

Comparison: Kevin Love with much better defensive IQ or Domantas Sabonis with more upside

Besiktas isn’t bad…Efes is just really good. Three of Besiktas’s key rotation players (Berry, Johnson, and Blackmon) played in the NCAA recently, and would be star players on most ACC teams if they were playing in the NCAA now. Hazer and Osmani are at least as good as those three. So even without Sengun, they’d have a very competitive lineup for an NCAA team. The level of competition in Turkey is just much highe.

Could be poor coaching then, it seemed as though the defense just packed the paint against him and I couldn't decide what he should do with the ball as no one seemed to be open. When they let their defender guard him 1 on 1 in the post he ate them up with ease.
Also, poor refereeing in this league. They let a lot go, first possession of the game he draws the foul really well and it's not called and he gets T'd up. He had another turnover or two where he was fouled as well.

Some poor coaching (not sure what he was playing at bringing Sengun off the bench), but also Efes is just loaded with talent. They won Euroleague this year, beating Real Madrid, CSKA Moscow, and Barca, all teams with budgets probably around 50M. These are teams that compete with the NBA for free agents. I imagine Besiktas spends about 1/10 of that. Just a really, really lopsided contest. Besiktas was playing their best basketball of the season going into that series, but they basically ran into a brick wall.