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God Squad wrote:ROballer wrote:I'd bet serious money Cleveland screws it up and breaks up the immortal 4.
Detroit is taking Cade.
Houston is taking Green.
Cleveland has Jarrett Allen and Sexton/Garland on their team so they'll pass on either Mobley/Suggs based on need even though they shouldn't.
Personally think/hope they go for Kuminga.
yoyoboy wrote:God Squad wrote:ROballer wrote:I'd bet serious money Cleveland screws it up and breaks up the immortal 4.
Detroit is taking Cade.
Houston is taking Green.
Cleveland has Jarrett Allen and Sexton/Garland on their team so they'll pass on either Mobley/Suggs based on need even though they shouldn't.
Personally think/hope they go for Kuminga.
If we do that, move the team to Seattle honestly because I’m done.
clyde21 wrote:yoyoboy wrote:God Squad wrote:Personally think/hope they go for Kuminga.
If we do that, move the team to Seattle honestly because I’m done.
who do you want?
yoyoboy wrote:clyde21 wrote:yoyoboy wrote:If we do that, move the team to Seattle honestly because I’m done.
who do you want?
Mobley makes the most sense assuming Cade goes 1 and Green goes 2. If Mobley is off the board, I want Suggs. And then at that point you would have to trade Sexton unfortunately.
yoyoboy wrote:clyde21 wrote:yoyoboy wrote:If we do that, move the team to Seattle honestly because I’m done.
who do you want?
Mobley makes the most sense assuming Cade goes 1 and Green goes 2. If Mobley is off the board, I want Suggs. And then at that point you would have to trade Sexton unfortunately.
God Squad wrote:I have no clue what the Cavs do personally. I'm just looking at their current roster construction and they've drafted three guards arguably in Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Then they also seem to really like Jarret Allen, so I'm having a hard time figuring out their direction. I just figured at least Kuminga fills a need and offers legit size and a prospect at the 3-4.
clyde21 wrote:Mobley would be the BPA that's for sure but what about Jarrett Allen?
yoyoboy wrote:God Squad wrote:I have no clue what the Cavs do personally. I'm just looking at their current roster construction and they've drafted three guards arguably in Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Then they also seem to really like Jarret Allen, so I'm having a hard time figuring out their direction. I just figured at least Kuminga fills a need and offers legit size and a prospect at the 3-4.clyde21 wrote:Mobley would be the BPA that's for sure but what about Jarrett Allen?
Allen isn’t remotely good enough to dictate who we pick in this draft and potentially pass up on a better prospect. I’m gonna be very frustrated if we end up giving him that $25 mil/year contract he wants. $15 mil/year or below is fair for a guy who just catches lobs and provides average defense.
Okoro is a bust and I’m not really thinking with him in mind either. Just way too small to be the kind of project on offense that he is. Basically an undersized defensive specialist who likely won’t even be that elite at that one trait.
We’re in a position where we just need to draft the best guy available and figure out the rest later. Drafting for fit made us pass on Lillard and Oladipo because we already had Kyrie and Dion. If we end up having to trade Sexton, then you gotta do what you gotta do, but you can’t pass up on Green or Suggs to take a guy like Kuminga. I’m gonna be physically ill if I have to watch a guy who’s 2 years away from being 2 years away on offense playing on a team that already ranked 28th in the league on offense. It’s not like we have a great developmental team either.
Let Allen walk for anything more than $15 mil/year. Take Mobley if he’s available. Suggs if he’s not.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Jarrett Allen will easily get more than 15/year in the FA. I see him getting offers in the 18/21 range, maybe even a single team wildly overpaying, that always happens.
As for Mobley, it's pretty simple IMO: you draft him and play him at PF, along with Allen (if you resign him).
Okoro seems like a bust. Very underwhelming, and mainly, small for the position. Over time I think they will move him to SG, moving one of Sexton/Garland, which isn't an ideal backcourt anyway.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Jarrett Allen will easily get more than 15/year in the FA. I see him getting offers in the 18/21 range, maybe even a single team wildly overpaying, that always happens.
As for Mobley, it's pretty simple IMO: you draft him and play him at PF, along with Allen (if you resign him).
Okoro seems like a bust. Very underwhelming, and mainly, small for the position. Over time I think they will move him to SG, moving one of Sexton/Garland, which isn't an ideal backcourt anyway.
Okoro had a pretty decent rookie year, IMO. I see him filling a similar role to Mikal Bridges whose rookie year looked like this
8p/3r/2a/1.6s 56%TS, -1.6BPM in 29 minutes
vs.
10p/3r/2a/1s 51% TS, -5BPM in 32 minutes
Bridges' rookie year was obviously better, but I think Okoro will be able to improve his efficiency on offense to be average and that he'll be a tough defender. I was very high on him before the draft, probably too high, but I still like him. Also, his last two months were a lot better than the rest of the season: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okorois01/splits/2021
yoyoboy wrote:babyjax13 wrote:GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Jarrett Allen will easily get more than 15/year in the FA. I see him getting offers in the 18/21 range, maybe even a single team wildly overpaying, that always happens.
As for Mobley, it's pretty simple IMO: you draft him and play him at PF, along with Allen (if you resign him).
Okoro seems like a bust. Very underwhelming, and mainly, small for the position. Over time I think they will move him to SG, moving one of Sexton/Garland, which isn't an ideal backcourt anyway.
Okoro had a pretty decent rookie year, IMO. I see him filling a similar role to Mikal Bridges whose rookie year looked like this
8p/3r/2a/1.6s 56%TS, -1.6BPM in 29 minutes
vs.
10p/3r/2a/1s 51% TS, -5BPM in 32 minutes
Bridges' rookie year was obviously better, but I think Okoro will be able to improve his efficiency on offense to be average and that he'll be a tough defender. I was very high on him before the draft, probably too high, but I still like him. Also, his last two months were a lot better than the rest of the season: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okorois01/splits/2021
Okoro is just too small to be a wing and he lacks the on-ball skills and shooting to be a SG. I think if you're gonna select a dude who's a project on offense, he better be 6'8+ with elite athleticism. Okoro looks about 6'4 without shoes and he's not a crazy athlete. I'm hoping eventually he can turn into a Royce O'Neale-type player for us. Definitely not someone I'd consider a core piece in our future.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Roger Murdock wrote:Jarrett Allen is Ok if he’s the 6th best player on your team. He was the biggest disappointment on the Cavs. He’s soft as hell and gets overwhelmed physically and really down on himself. Bad body language in that you can tell he gets discouraged and loses confidence in himself quickly when playing against physicality.
Even if we didn’t take Mobley I’d be okay letting him walk if he got offered a lot. I’m hoping we resign him at $15/year or less and not sure he’s worth more.
Good finisher inside and hustles and sets screens but he’s just a rim runner.
If Green goes #2 I’d love to S&T Allen and take Mobley.
If Mobley goes #2 I’d love to trade Sexton and take Green.
This pick offers so much flexibility to us.
*INGRAM*ALLSTARSEASON* Wemby is HIM
Chuck Everett wrote:Yeah, but if Okoro is Royce as a ceiling... to be selected at #5 is just... a shame.
PhilBlackson wrote:Just wondering for obvious reasons (being a Rap fan), is there any sense at all yet what your team might be favoring or even what your fanbase favors?? Yoyoboy, stillwater, feel free to jump in...
Obviously not likely to be fully accurate but listening to a sports talk show out here a reporter here claimed that they'd heard rumblings that CLE management both wasn't fully sold on Sexton and were still high on Allen, so not to rule out that you guys take Suggs. It wasn't actually said in the hopes of Mobley falling but the host just made the assumption Suggs would be the Raptors pick because he thought Green and Mobley are the presumptive next 2 picks to which the reporter pointed that out. What's the sense you have??
yoyoboy wrote:And recently it seems all the bigs drafted high lately either bust or take forever to develop - Isaac, JJJ, Wiseman, Hayes, Bagley, Bamba, WCJ - aside from Ayton.
yoyoboy wrote:PhilBlackson wrote:Just wondering for obvious reasons (being a Rap fan), is there any sense at all yet what your team might be favoring or even what your fanbase favors?? Yoyoboy, stillwater, feel free to jump in...
Obviously not likely to be fully accurate but listening to a sports talk show out here a reporter here claimed that they'd heard rumblings that CLE management both wasn't fully sold on Sexton and were still high on Allen, so not to rule out that you guys take Suggs. It wasn't actually said in the hopes of Mobley falling but the host just made the assumption Suggs would be the Raptors pick because he thought Green and Mobley are the presumptive next 2 picks to which the reporter pointed that out. What's the sense you have??
Jalen Green is the exact kind of player I'd expect Gilbert to have a hard on for, and with Sexton in trade talks, it seems even more likely. But I think if I had to bet on Houston taking a player it's Green just because they need someone who's flashy and box office in the post-Harden era. And recently it seems all the bigs drafted high lately either bust or take forever to develop - Isaac, JJJ, Wiseman, Hayes, Bagley, Bamba, WCJ - aside from Ayton. So it's pretty hard to sell the fanbase on a 215 pound center who's not going to come in a great scorer and needs years to develop.
But if Houston takes Mobley, I expect us to roll with Green, no question. If they take Green, I'm not completely sure but I'd bet on Mobley. Honestly, Suggs to Toronto seems like it's just meant to happen. Learning from FVV and Lowry would be great for him and he'd fit into the culture well while probably being the prospect most ready to contribute now.
*INGRAM*ALLSTARSEASON* Wemby is HIM