Can the Magic trade-up in the Draft?

[orthoman]

Was wondering what the Forum feels about the Magic using their two picks/current players, to trade-up, to say, the #2 or #3 slot in the draft. Is this possible, likely, or unlikely?

Thanks

[Knightro]

Of course they can. They have three extra first round picks in addition to their own first round picks in the next five drafts.

Candidly, if they were so inclined, there's a crazy enough offer that the Magic could make to move up to the No. 1 overall pick. They have enough ammo.

You really think Detroit thinks Cade Cunningham is so good that would decline 5, 8, the 2023 Bulls pick and multiple unprotected Magic picks?

The question is, where is the point where it becomes not worth it from Orlando's perspective?

[89Magicfan]

We need a star. A franchise player to build around. If they believe he’s in this draft, they need to go get it.

[Knightro]

We need a star. A franchise player to build around. If they believe he’s in this draft, they need to go get it.

Therein lies the problem.

Is Cade Cunningham so good that he's worth 4 or 5 unprotected or barely protected first round picks? Probably not.

If he is, Detroit wouldn't trade him anyway.

[GelbeWand09]

I see no sure fire Franchise player in the top 4, only allstars. I woudnt give up the farm for any of them. I would trade the chi pick but not much more & def. not a unprotected of our own picks.

[HayKee]

We need a star. A franchise player to build around. If they believe he’s in this draft, they need to go get it.

Therein lies the problem.

Is Cade Cunningham so good that he's worth 4 or 5 unprotected or barely protected first round picks? Probably not.

If he is, Detroit wouldn't trade him anyway.

Perfect encapsulation of the problem. If the Pistons are willing to do the deal you really start to question the fundamentals of the player. It's like there being no universe in which the Jags would've traded the #1 pick in 2021 vs the Celtics trading the #1 pick in 2017.

[KillMonger]

i don't see why not....thing is there is so much time to try and work something out if need be....there is also some more information gathering needed to be done as well....the top 5 didn't measure or do any drills, i believe they do these things in private workouts....so there is still some things that can change...someone may do really well in the workouts and interviews and someone may not do so well....nothing is set in stone yet

[89Magicfan]

We need a star. A franchise player to build around. If they believe he’s in this draft, they need to go get it.

Therein lies the problem.

Is Cade Cunningham so good that he's worth 4 or 5 unprotected or barely protected first round picks? Probably not.

If he is, Detroit wouldn't trade him anyway.

Charlotte traded Kobe to LA for Divac.

If there’s a guy Weltman wants, he was mad too, go get him.

[Flannerz]

I'd guess to get Cleveland's pick we'd have to take on Love and his salary?

[UCFJayBird]

Depending on who Houston takes at #2, I could see Cleveland being willing to trade down. Specifically, if Houston takes Mobley, Cleveland may not be as interested in Green and Suggs as they don't necessarily need a guard. So I could see them being open to the #5 & 8.

If i'm the Magic, I'm willing to trade both picks to get Green, but not anyone else, and I probably wouldn't be willing to throw in too much more than the 5/8 picks. maybe a second rounder or a heavily protected future 1st (like Top 10 protected), but that's it.

[thelead]

I think we can and likely should

[ZeusIsLoose]

Depending on who Houston takes at #2, I could see Cleveland being willing to trade down. Specifically, if Houston takes Mobley, Cleveland may not be as interested in Green and Suggs as they don't necessarily need a guard. So I could see them being open to the #5 & 8.

If i'm the Magic, I'm willing to trade both picks to get Green, but not anyone else, and I probably wouldn't be willing to throw in too much more than the 5/8 picks. maybe a second rounder or a heavily protected future 1st (like Top 10 protected), but that's it.

That aint gonna cut it. you're gonna need to throw in the bulls future first in 23 at minimum. The 8th pick is this draft is gonna be meh so gonna need an extra incentive

[ZeusIsLoose]

We need a star. A franchise player to build around. If they believe he’s in this draft, they need to go get it.

Therein lies the problem.

Is Cade Cunningham so good that he's worth 4 or 5 unprotected or barely protected first round picks? Probably not.

If he is, Detroit wouldn't trade him anyway.

Perfect encapsulation of the problem. If the Pistons are willing to do the deal you really start to question the fundamentals of the player. It's like there being no universe in which the Jags would've traded the #1 pick in 2021 vs the Celtics trading the #1 pick in 2017.

This is a dumb take. Sometimes it's all about fit.
That said, i think Green is the real deal over Cade, but i would take him as well.

[The Effect]

Jalen Green is the only guy id trade up for, but i doubt that happens

I think we take Kuminga (or one of the top 4 who falls in the case he goes ahead of us), and then hope he pans out and use our #8 pick to get our go-to scorer

I know Weltman looked down during the draft, but i dont think that means he would sell the farm to move up. I wouldnt be upset if he did (we need an identity more than anything), but he doesnt seem like the type that would. Hes going to stay put, get the guy he feels is BPA and move on

[UCFJayBird]

Depending on who Houston takes at #2, I could see Cleveland being willing to trade down. Specifically, if Houston takes Mobley, Cleveland may not be as interested in Green and Suggs as they don't necessarily need a guard. So I could see them being open to the #5 & 8.

If i'm the Magic, I'm willing to trade both picks to get Green, but not anyone else, and I probably wouldn't be willing to throw in too much more than the 5/8 picks. maybe a second rounder or a heavily protected future 1st (like Top 10 protected), but that's it.

That aint gonna cut it. you're gonna need to throw in the bulls future first in 23 at minimum. The 8th pick is this draft is gonna be meh so gonna need an extra incentive

Then don't do the deal.

Cleveland is set in their backcourt. If Mobley is off the board, the consensus for the next two picks is Green and Suggs, which Cleveland doesn't need. Why wouldn't they be interested in trading down to #5 and getting who they want, while picking up #8 (and maybe a little extra like a 2nd or future protected pick)? That's a great deal for them. Literally no downside.

Now of course if someone else comes asking with a higher price then maybe the Magic have to offer more. But IMO then you get into the area where it doesn't become worth the price from the Magic's perspective.

Trade needs to benefit both teams, this deal does IMO IF it shakes out with Mobley going #2.

[axl_c_cool]

If its 5 and 8 Cleveland 100% takes that if Mobley is gone. I think they take 5 and Ross/filler for 3 and Love. Getting out of that deal to move down a few spaces and pick a player in the range they want is more appealing.

I'm not sure I'd give up 5 and 8 when someone is going to drop out of that top 4.

The bigger question is would we take and buy out Love? That's a lot of money to take probably give away

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[The Effect]

Ill be honest, i dont think its out of the question that cleveland bucks the mock draft and takes kuminga if mobley is gone
Their 2 best players are both very young, highly drafted, guards who fill up the stat sheets and are their leaders.
I can see a situation where they try to move on from Sexton (apparently his attitude doesnt mesh well, but might be BS im not a big cavs guy), but even still Garland is their other PG, and they just drafted a Shooting guard, isaac Okoro last year very high (top 5) whos play got better and better as the year went on and ended up on the ALL-Rookie 2nd team.

I know you dont draft for need, but, over the last 3 years they have drafted
#8 overall - Collin Sexton, SG, averaged 24ppg last season at the age of 22 (younger than projected top 10 pick Mitchell this year)
#5 overall - Darius Garland, PG, averaged 17/6 on 45/40/85 shooting at the age of 21
#5 overall - Isaac Okoro, SG, All-Rookie 2nd team and over the final month (small sample, i know) was averaging 16/4/3

Which guy are you replacing with Green\suggs?
At the same time, if they play okoro at the 3, their depth at 4 is essentially just Larry Nance Jr as Love is definitely done with them and probably would rather retire than go back there
If they Play Okoro at the 2 and bench one of the other guys, then their depth at 3 is cedi osman and Tarueen prince

I think the dream scenerio for them is Mobley, but if hes gone, it wouldnt be out of the question for them to pass on green\suggs in favor of kuminga or maybe even Barnes ( ). Now the big problem becomes if say the thunder talk them into a trade for #6 and multiple future first, and they take Green or suggs and cavs can get one of those forwards at 6

[HayKee]

Therein lies the problem.

Is Cade Cunningham so good that he's worth 4 or 5 unprotected or barely protected first round picks? Probably not.

If he is, Detroit wouldn't trade him anyway.

Perfect encapsulation of the problem. If the Pistons are willing to do the deal you really start to question the fundamentals of the player. It's like there being no universe in which the Jags would've traded the #1 pick in 2021 vs the Celtics trading the #1 pick in 2017.

This is a dumb take. Sometimes it's all about fit.
That said, i think Green is the real deal over Cade, but i would take him as well.

The point is that the draft equity you give up to move up in the draft is high. WTF does "fit" mean? All these lottery teams should be taking BPA regardless of fit. If you're giving up assets to move up in the draft you're trying to grab superstar potential, fit is irrelevant.

I agree with you on Green over Cade though. I wonder how much he's in play for the Pistons at #1.

[drsd]

Was wondering what the Forum feels about the Magic using their two picks/current players, to trade-up, to say, the #2 or #3 slot in the draft. Is this possible, likely, or unlikely?

Thanks

Cleveland probably does not want a guard. Would #5 and #8 be enough for Orlando to trade up to #3? If yes, PBO Weltman makes that trade. Either Green or Mobley would be available at 3, and either player would look great in Magic blue. If Suggs goes #2, then the Magic could make a more modest offer to Toronto. #5 and Anthony for #4 probably gets the job done for Orlando to get whoever is on the board between Mobley and Green.

In conclusion: PBO Weltman was very clear he will field calls to trade up or trade down from 5 (but the phraseology is odd, as it implies he would not be initiating the calls). So I guess it is somewhere between likely and unlikely, to answer your question. The #5 is a very traceable pick.



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[drsd]

Perfect encapsulation of the problem. If the Pistons are willing to do the deal you really start to question the fundamentals of the player. It's like there being no universe in which the Jags would've traded the #1 pick in 2021 vs the Celtics trading the #1 pick in 2017.

This is a dumb take. Sometimes it's all about fit.
That said, i think Green is the real deal over Cade, but i would take him as well.

The point is that the draft equity you give up to move up in the draft is high. WTF does "fit" mean? All these lottery teams should be taking BPA regardless of fit. If you're giving up assets to move up in the draft you're trying to grab superstar potential, fit is irrelevant.

I agree with you on Green over Cade though. I wonder how much he's in play for the Pistons at #1.

Green goes #1, Suggs #2, Mobley #3, and the Magic trade #5 and Anthony to Toronto for #4 to draft Cunningham.
One can dream.