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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#121 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:45 pm

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Why GSW w/o Green has better D than with Green?


The on-off numbers don't really reflect what's happening. It's more about who he's getting most of his minutes with. Simmons is in a similar situation. The main issue with Simmons is that he's mentally broken because of his shooting issues. It's made him passive on offense. Green isn't passive, he's looking to find the most efficient offense and realizes it's not usually himself. Simmons is actively avoiding going at defenses.

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This isn't true at all. Dray is extremely passive, he just looks better compared to Simmons whose mentally broken. But Dray is definitely off mentally when it comes to shooting. There are full on games, not just plays where you can see Dray is getting zero respect offensively and he is still only looking for a pass instead of a shot while being completely open. Makes the offense predictable.

If Dray went back to 16/17 season, forget 15/16, this team's offense gets significantly better.


Yes....but Draymond doesn't run the hell away from touching the ball down the stretch because he's terrified that someone will foul him. You can play Draymond down to the final seconds of any game and he's proven to be a super clutch performer over his career.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#122 » by Impuniti » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:53 pm

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The on-off numbers don't really reflect what's happening. It's more about who he's getting most of his minutes with. Simmons is in a similar situation. The main issue with Simmons is that he's mentally broken because of his shooting issues. It's made him passive on offense. Green isn't passive, he's looking to find the most efficient offense and realizes it's not usually himself. Simmons is actively avoiding going at defenses.

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This isn't true at all. Dray is extremely passive, he just looks better compared to Simmons whose mentally broken. But Dray is definitely off mentally when it comes to shooting. There are full on games, not just plays where you can see Dray is getting zero respect offensively and he is still only looking for a pass instead of a shot while being completely open. Makes the offense predictable.

If Dray went back to 16/17 season, forget 15/16, this team's offense gets significantly better.


Yes....but Draymond doesn't run the hell away from touching the ball down the stretch because he's terrified that someone will foul him. You can play Draymond down to the final seconds of any game and he's proven to be a super clutch performer over his career.

I agree, but lets not be delusional and jump all the way at the other end. There is an inbetween, and saying something like Draymond is not passive is definitely on the delusional fandom end. cpower for another example, says you give Dray a shot and he will score it because he's clutch, with people mentioning 2016 ( :lol: ) as an example. Come to reality people, Dray just missed a **** layup in a playin game. Missed easy shots or made passes this season, and it's just better to forget his entire play from the previous season which is a nightmare overall and down the stretch.

Draymond is a bad shooter/scorer, and he has shat the bad when it comes to shooting or being afraid to shoot at the end of games this season. He's afraid because his shot has progressively gotten worse every single season since 15/16 until now.

Saying that, he's a much better player than Simmons, is an actual winner and makes game/clutch winning plays (moreso before than now), isn't a lazy POS, has 7-8m less on his contract in a team that's already capped money-wise, has amazing chemistry with the main two guys off and on the court which matters. Easily a much better choice, and unlike that pathetic loser, he doesn't need to be taken off the court because he can actually shoot FTs.

But when people start about clutch shooting and mixing Draymond with it, you're going to need to miss me with that BS, because you're not living in the current timeline.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#123 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:31 pm

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Impuniti wrote: :lol:

This isn't true at all. Dray is extremely passive, he just looks better compared to Simmons whose mentally broken. But Dray is definitely off mentally when it comes to shooting. There are full on games, not just plays where you can see Dray is getting zero respect offensively and he is still only looking for a pass instead of a shot while being completely open. Makes the offense predictable.

If Dray went back to 16/17 season, forget 15/16, this team's offense gets significantly better.


Yes....but Draymond doesn't run the hell away from touching the ball down the stretch because he's terrified that someone will foul him. You can play Draymond down to the final seconds of any game and he's proven to be a super clutch performer over his career.

I agree, but lets not be delusional and jump all the way at the other end. There is an inbetween, and saying something like Draymond is not passive is definitely on the delusional fandom end. cpower for another example, says you give Dray a shot and he will score it because he's clutch, with people mentioning 2016 ( :lol: ) as an example. Come to reality people, Dray just missed a **** layup in a playin game. Missed easy shots or made passes this season, and it's just better to forget his entire play from the previous season which is a nightmare overall and down the stretch.

Draymond is a bad shooter/scorer, and he has shat the bad when it comes to shooting or being afraid to shoot at the end of games this season. He's afraid because his shot has progressively gotten worse every single season since 15/16 until now.

Saying that, he's a much better player than Simmons, is an actual winner and makes game/clutch winning plays (moreso before than now), isn't a lazy POS, has 7-8m less on his contract in a team that's already capped money-wise, has amazing chemistry with the main two guys off and on the court which matters. Easily a much better choice, and unlike that pathetic loser, he doesn't need to be taken off the court because he can actually shoot FTs.

But when people start about clutch shooting and mixing Draymond with it, you're going to need to miss me with that BS, because you're not living in the current timeline.


I didn't extol Dray's scoring game the extreme praise I heaped on him was just that he isn't passive. He's looking to get the team to score and moving himself and the ball, and when he thinks him shooting is actually the best option he'll shoot or drive to do so. He's not actively afraid. He's a bad scorer and he needs to do better, but Simmons is actually afraid of contact on offense and REALLY doesn't want to shoot.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#124 » by Ilovethebay » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:29 pm

The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#125 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:51 pm

Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:


I don't buy lazy either. It's possible he's not doing all the things the team wants him to do, but that doesn't mean he's lazy. Jimmy Butler called out KAT as lazy and he's put up the stats ... I think it was just that KAT wasn't doing what Butler wanted away from the floor ... like KAT didn't want to show up for Butler's "extra" practice time or whatever.

That said, Simmons offensive game has fallen apart and didn't really improve since he came into the NBA
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Post#126 » by HiRez » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:55 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Yes....but Draymond doesn't run the hell away from touching the ball down the stretch because he's terrified that someone will foul him. You can play Draymond down to the final seconds of any game and he's proven to be a super clutch performer over his career.

But to be fair, sometimes you don't want Draymond to touch the ball at the end of the game because he does some crazy things with it. Much of the time he does the right thing, but you have to admit there's been some real embarrassing WTF final possessions from him.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#127 » by Impuniti » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:19 pm

Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anybody who doesn't show improvement over a 4 year time period from their rookie season is not committed to the game. Simmons is just an incredible physical beast.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#128 » by FNQ » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:26 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anybody who doesn't show improvement over a 4 year time period from their rookie season is not committed to the game. Simmons is just an incredible physical beast.


So is Draymond lazy then? His jumper sure hasnt improved
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#129 » by sonnyhill » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:29 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anybody who doesn't show improvement over a 4 year time period from their rookie season is not committed to the game. Simmons is just an incredible physical beast.


"Simmons is just an incredible physical beast" playing for a franchise which has tried to fit both him, Simmons, and Embiid together when they are not complimentary.

Surround Simmons with Curry, Thompson, Poole, (Wiggins?), Wiseman; players who can shoot the ball, and let him drive-distribute-dunk, then the Simmons narrative changes. Simmons paired with Green as interchangeable 4-5s is better than Green paired with Looney.

Don't be surprised, however, if the Warriors decide to go with its current roster plus the two first rounders and hope for a step forward with Wiseman's development and continued improvement with Wiggins.

BTW, it is a bit unnerving not knowing exactly when/how Thompson will play. Lots of question marks with this topic.

With Simmons, there are lots of question marks, too.

Myers has to hit on both picks and Kerr has to get better at developing young talent or Curry's championship window is over.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#130 » by HiRez » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:34 pm

Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree, the Simmons hate is out of control here, people are talking like he's the worst player ever. I keep seeing things like "lazy", "entitled", "broken", "no heart", I mean come on, it's getting ridiculous.

I think everyone here including supporters will acknowledge he's got some flaws. The question is are they correctable. I think they might be. Look at how down everyone was on Wiggins (and I don't mean just because of the contract). We heard many of the same things about him that we're hearing now about Simmons. Now Wiggins is not only a viable starter but many are hesitant to trade him. That's after only a couple years of rehab here (and his first year doesn't really even count because it was a total s***show) and a change in scenery. The same is possible with Simmons.

Also, "can't shoot". First it's more he doesn't shoot, from distance. Second, he shoots 56% overall for his career, that's pretty good. He shoots significantly better near the rim (0-3 feet) than both Steph and Wiggins (who are both pretty good finishers), and similar from 3-10. After that his % drops off drastically but so do his attempts so it's a very small sample size. And you know what? Operating around the rim and doing it with high efficiency is really important! We need that too. Wiseman is still all over the place and you know for damn sure Draymond is going to blow more layups than he makes.

Having Simmons in there would unlock so many things because he's an elite passer and elite defender. Steph and Klay would have a field day with Simmons operating inside, right now teams can ignore him on the perimeter but they cannot ignore him inside. Especially if it's possible to get Seth Curry in the deal, he would provide all the outside shooting we need and Simmons would provide the interior athleticism, passing, and defense. Dude can guard 1-5 most of the time. Simmons could play at C or PF, or SF in a pinch. Seth Curry would be an elite bench microwave, or start, or form a fearsome small-ball attack playing alongside Steph and Klay. If you can get both Simmons and Seth, there's massive flexibility.

Bottom line is I think it's way to early to declare him a deadbeat, dude has incredible athletic gifts and skill, is still really young, and someone just needs to unlock it...and GS is the best environment to do it. He doesn't have to carry the scoring load here and the team-wide championship mentality isn't going to allow him to dog it (especially if Draymond is staying). He's going to bring it on defense, he's already proven that, and we really need that. Personally, I'm still on the fence about it, but I don't think the Simmons possibility should be dismissed so easily.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#131 » by Impuniti » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:46 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anybody who doesn't show improvement over a 4 year time period from their rookie season is not committed to the game. Simmons is just an incredible physical beast.


So is Draymond lazy then? His jumper sure hasnt improved

Well it did for a while.. then it went downhill. What has Simmons developed since his rookie season? He was an elite defender that could pass well since then. Dray on the other hand became the best defensive player in the league over time.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#132 » by Ilovethebay » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:07 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree, the Simmons hate is out of control here, people are talking like he's the worst player ever. I keep seeing things like "lazy", "entitled", "broken", "no heart", I mean come on, it's getting ridiculous.

I think everyone here including supporters will acknowledge he's got some flaws. The question is are they correctable. I think they might be. Look at how down everyone was on Wiggins (and I don't mean just because of the contract). We heard many of the same things about him that we're hearing now about Simmons. Now Wiggins is not only a viable starter but many are hesitant to trade him. That's after only a couple years of rehab here (and his first year doesn't really even count because it was a total s***show) and a change in scenery. The same is possible with Simmons.

Also, "can't shoot". First it's more he doesn't shoot, from distance. Second, he shoots 56% overall for his career, that's pretty good. He shoots significantly better near the rim (0-3 feet) than both Steph and Wiggins (who are both pretty good finishers), and similar from 3-10. After that his % drops off drastically but so do his attempts so it's a very small sample size. And you know what? Operating around the rim and doing it with high efficiency is really important! We need that too. Wiseman is still all over the place and you know for damn sure Draymond is going to blow more layups than he makes.

Having Simmons in there would unlock so many things because he's an elite passer and elite defender. Steph and Klay would have a field day with Simmons operating inside, right now teams can ignore him on the perimeter but they cannot ignore him inside. Especially if it's possible to get Seth Curry in the deal, he would provide all the outside shooting we need and Simmons would provide the interior athleticism, passing, and defense. Dude can guard 1-5 most of the time. Simmons could play at C or PF, or SF in a pinch. Seth Curry would be an elite bench microwave, or start, or form a fearsome small-ball attack playing alongside Steph and Klay. If you can get both Simmons and Seth, there's massive flexibility.

Bottom line is I think it's way to early to declare him a deadbeat, dude has incredible athletic gifts and skill, is still really young, and someone just needs to unlock it...and GS is the best environment to do it. He doesn't have to carry the scoring load here and the team-wide championship mentality isn't going to allow him to dog it (especially if Draymond is staying). He's going to bring it on defense, he's already proven that, and we really need that. Personally, I'm still on the fence about it, but I don't think the Simmons possibility should be dismissed so easily.

Couldn’t agree more. Him and Seth is a pipe dream though imho. Interesting factoid: Simmons lead the league in 3pt assists. He would be terrible playing with Steph and Klay :lol:
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#133 » by mos_def » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:31 am

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HiRez wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree, the Simmons hate is out of control here, people are talking like he's the worst player ever. I keep seeing things like "lazy", "entitled", "broken", "no heart", I mean come on, it's getting ridiculous.

I think everyone here including supporters will acknowledge he's got some flaws. The question is are they correctable. I think they might be. Look at how down everyone was on Wiggins (and I don't mean just because of the contract). We heard many of the same things about him that we're hearing now about Simmons. Now Wiggins is not only a viable starter but many are hesitant to trade him. That's after only a couple years of rehab here (and his first year doesn't really even count because it was a total s***show) and a change in scenery. The same is possible with Simmons.

Also, "can't shoot". First it's more he doesn't shoot, from distance. Second, he shoots 56% overall for his career, that's pretty good. He shoots significantly better near the rim (0-3 feet) than both Steph and Wiggins (who are both pretty good finishers), and similar from 3-10. After that his % drops off drastically but so do his attempts so it's a very small sample size. And you know what? Operating around the rim and doing it with high efficiency is really important! We need that too. Wiseman is still all over the place and you know for damn sure Draymond is going to blow more layups than he makes.

Having Simmons in there would unlock so many things because he's an elite passer and elite defender. Steph and Klay would have a field day with Simmons operating inside, right now teams can ignore him on the perimeter but they cannot ignore him inside. Especially if it's possible to get Seth Curry in the deal, he would provide all the outside shooting we need and Simmons would provide the interior athleticism, passing, and defense. Dude can guard 1-5 most of the time. Simmons could play at C or PF, or SF in a pinch. Seth Curry would be an elite bench microwave, or start, or form a fearsome small-ball attack playing alongside Steph and Klay. If you can get both Simmons and Seth, there's massive flexibility.

Bottom line is I think it's way to early to declare him a deadbeat, dude has incredible athletic gifts and skill, is still really young, and someone just needs to unlock it...and GS is the best environment to do it. He doesn't have to carry the scoring load here and the team-wide championship mentality isn't going to allow him to dog it (especially if Draymond is staying). He's going to bring it on defense, he's already proven that, and we really need that. Personally, I'm still on the fence about it, but I don't think the Simmons possibility should be dismissed so easily.

Couldn’t agree more. Him and Seth is a pipe dream though imho. Interesting factoid: Simmons lead the league in 3pt assists. He would be terrible playing with Steph and Klay :lol:


It was Seth that requested to be released from the Warriors to get out of his brothers shadow. So you think he wants back to have a family reunion with Steph and Daimon Lee?
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#134 » by HiRez » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:31 am

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Ilovethebay wrote:It was Seth that requested to be released from the Warriors to get out of his brothers shadow. So you think he wants back to have a family reunion with Steph and Daimon Lee?

He might. A lot has changed since then and Seth has proven himself as a legit player away from Steph. He's not a "tag-along" anymore. And mom and dad get to watch both sons in the same game.
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Post#135 » by Upperclass » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:01 am


Simmons is a talented dude. Something clearly happened in Philly to cause him to quit. He's also clearly been coddled quite a bit and doesn't know how to fight through adversity or "try".
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Post#136 » by Impuniti » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:41 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anybody who doesn't show improvement over a 4 year time period from their rookie season is not committed to the game. Simmons is just an incredible physical beast.


"Simmons is just an incredible physical beast" playing for a franchise which has tried to fit both him, Simmons, and Embiid together when they are not complimentary.

Surround Simmons with Curry, Thompson, Poole, (Wiggins?), Wiseman; players who can shoot the ball, and let him drive-distribute-dunk, then the Simmons narrative changes. Simmons paired with Green as interchangeable 4-5s is better than Green paired with Looney.

Don't be surprised, however, if the Warriors decide to go with its current roster plus the two first rounders and hope for a step forward with Wiseman's development and continued improvement with Wiggins.

BTW, it is a bit unnerving not knowing exactly when/how Thompson will play. Lots of question marks with this topic.

With Simmons, there are lots of question marks, too.

Myers has to hit on both picks and Kerr has to get better at developing young talent or Curry's championship window is over.

But Warriors need shooting as well though. We saw that in the play-in when things tightened up that it became a massive issue.

Now maybe simply adding Klay is going to fix all of that, or one of young guards blows up, or they get a vet that improves that issue. I don't know, but it is difficult because starting next season you can rely on Poole, Klay and occasionally Baze, JTA, and Wig depending on the situation.

Simmons is a much better player than Loon obviously, so the 4/5 in theory could work. But is Ben going to fight over rebounds like Loon does? Is he going to set screens a ton like he does? Is he willing to change positions and accept holding the ball a lot less, because he's the number 1 guy holding the ball and that may change in to the #3 guy? Is he still engaged in games if he doesn't hold the ball as much?
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Post#137 » by Impuniti » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:51 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:The whole Simmons is lazy thing is pretty funny. Shows bias. How does a guy yearly make the all defensive teams while being lazy? If Steven A Smith is your go to source then have fun with that :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree, the Simmons hate is out of control here, people are talking like he's the worst player ever. I keep seeing things like "lazy", "entitled", "broken", "no heart", I mean come on, it's getting ridiculous.

I think everyone here including supporters will acknowledge he's got some flaws. The question is are they correctable. I think they might be. Look at how down everyone was on Wiggins (and I don't mean just because of the contract). We heard many of the same things about him that we're hearing now about Simmons. Now Wiggins is not only a viable starter but many are hesitant to trade him. That's after only a couple years of rehab here (and his first year doesn't really even count because it was a total s***show) and a change in scenery. The same is possible with Simmons.

Also, "can't shoot". First it's more he doesn't shoot, from distance. Second, he shoots 56% overall for his career, that's pretty good. He shoots significantly better near the rim (0-3 feet) than both Steph and Wiggins (who are both pretty good finishers), and similar from 3-10. After that his % drops off drastically but so do his attempts so it's a very small sample size. And you know what? Operating around the rim and doing it with high efficiency is really important! We need that too. Wiseman is still all over the place and you know for damn sure Draymond is going to blow more layups than he makes.

Having Simmons in there would unlock so many things because he's an elite passer and elite defender. Steph and Klay would have a field day with Simmons operating inside, right now teams can ignore him on the perimeter but they cannot ignore him inside. Especially if it's possible to get Seth Curry in the deal, he would provide all the outside shooting we need and Simmons would provide the interior athleticism, passing, and defense. Dude can guard 1-5 most of the time. Simmons could play at C or PF, or SF in a pinch. Seth Curry would be an elite bench microwave, or start, or form a fearsome small-ball attack playing alongside Steph and Klay. If you can get both Simmons and Seth, there's massive flexibility.

He's 100% mentally broken, I don't even see how this is an argument unless you want to put your head under the sand. He is legitimately scared of having the ball in the last few minutes of the game and that non-dunk pass in game 7 was the apex of the issue. Doesn't mean it won't get fixed, and that series might be the reality that finally gets him to work on his craft.

For his laziness claim, it's 100% valid. The guy hasn't elevated his game much since he joined the NBA years ago. People who are hard workers with the right mentality improve, even incrementally. His offensive game is the same as it was 4 years ago.

As for Seth, he wants to leave his brother's shadow and I feel like he is one of the few untouchable players for their team. Good contract who is playing out of his mind, makes no sense for them to trade him. :crazy:

Bottom line is I think it's way to early to declare him a deadbeat, dude has incredible athletic gifts and skill, is still really young, and someone just needs to unlock it...and GS is the best environment to do it. He doesn't have to carry the scoring load here and the team-wide championship mentality isn't going to allow him to dog it (especially if Draymond is staying). He's going to bring it on defense, he's already proven that, and we really need that. Personally, I'm still on the fence about it, but I don't think the Simmons possibility should be dismissed so easily.

I don't think anyone is calling him a worthless nobody, the question is is he worth the risk of taking him and replacing him with the team has? That's a big, **** gamble. Also Warriors were top 5 in defense last season, and they're getting Klay, an All-NBA level defender back. Even if he is not 100%, we're assuming he will be good enough to be a great positive on the team that was 5th defensively last season. However with Curry off the court, the team had a record pace worst offense in the NBA in the last half decade. So no, the team isn't desperate for defense. If they can get better defenders, that's great. But they are 100% in desperate need to get a better offense going forward.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#138 » by sonnyhill » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:45 pm

Impuniti wrote:
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Impuniti wrote:Anybody who doesn't show improvement over a 4 year time period from their rookie season is not committed to the game. Simmons is just an incredible physical beast.


"Simmons is just an incredible physical beast" playing for a franchise which has tried to fit both him, Simmons, and Embiid together when they are not complimentary.

Surround Simmons with Curry, Thompson, Poole, (Wiggins?), Wiseman; players who can shoot the ball, and let him drive-distribute-dunk, then the Simmons narrative changes. Simmons paired with Green as interchangeable 4-5s is better than Green paired with Looney.

Don't be surprised, however, if the Warriors decide to go with its current roster plus the two first rounders and hope for a step forward with Wiseman's development and continued improvement with Wiggins.

BTW, it is a bit unnerving not knowing exactly when/how Thompson will play. Lots of question marks with this topic.

With Simmons, there are lots of question marks, too.

Myers has to hit on both picks and Kerr has to get better at developing young talent or Curry's championship window is over.

But Warriors need shooting as well though. We saw that in the play-in when things tightened up that it became a massive issue.

Now maybe simply adding Klay is going to fix all of that, or one of young guards blows up, or they get a vet that improves that issue. I don't know, but it is difficult because starting next season you can rely on Poole, Klay and occasionally Baze, JTA, and Wig depending on the situation.

Simmons is a much better player than Loon obviously, so the 4/5 in theory could work. But is Ben going to fight over rebounds like Loon does? Is he going to set screens a ton like he does? Is he willing to change positions and accept holding the ball a lot less, because he's the number 1 guy holding the ball and that may change in to the #3 guy? Is he still engaged in games if he doesn't hold the ball as much?


Great analysis. And, yes, the team needs shooting, especially player(s) who can also create points off the dribble as well as hit the 3-point shot.

Simmons would flourish at the 5 position with lots of off-the-ball screening and movement. Your question about rebounding, however, is concerning.

Question, could we possibly see Wiseman paired up with both Simmons and Green as the modern (Houston, not Golden State) version of Ralph Sampson, where Wiseman would play on the wing?
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#139 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:09 pm

Don't murder me

Portland:
-Tobias Harris
-James Wiseman
-7th or 14th pick from Warriors
-28th pick from Philly

Philly:
-Damian Lillard
-Draymond Green
-Kevin Looney

Golden State:
-Ben Simmons
-Jusuf Nurkić
-PHI 2023 1st (top 3 protected, unprotected in 2024)
cdubbz wrote:Donte DiVincenzo will outplay Poole this season.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#140 » by sonnyhill » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:18 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Don't murder me

Portland: Tobias Harris
Philly: Damian Lillard/Draymond Green/Kevin Looney
Golden State: Ben Simmons


LOL.

Why would anyone murder you? This is a fan board and we are all speculating (some ideas good; some bad; some mediocre; it is all good and fun).

Philly wins your proposed 3-team trade; yet, the Warriors and Blazers come out well, too.

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