What's Killian's trade value right now?

[blueadams]

Pick's almost certainly going to be Cade. IMHO, he's an attacking PG all the way. IMHO, he'll be at his best w/ 4 guys on the court who can shoot 3's, play D, and cut to the basket. Stewart is one of those guys. Bey is one of those guys. Grant is one of those guys (if he's a long-term part of the core).

Killian is not. And idk if he'll ever be a good enough 3pt shooter and defender to play SG on a Finals contender. His ceiling here, I think, is great backup PG. That's nothing to spit on. I don't think we should trade him for nothing. But if you can get a top-20 pick for him...essentially trade him for a nice young 3&D wing...I'm in.

Board's thoughts?

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Here are the wings projected to go #7-#20 in the 2021 NBA Draft (according to Nbadraft . net).

...For your memory, Killian Hayes shot 19% from 3 in his last international season, Nbadraft . net graded his jumpshot as an 8, and his defense as a 7.

**Player (Projected Draft Spot). Height. Jump Shot Grade (3pt% Last Season). Defense Grade.

-Jalen Johnson (#11). 6-9. 7-shot (44% 3pt). 8-def.
-Corey Kisbert (#13). 6-7. 9-shot (44% 3pt). 7-def.
-Jaden Springer (#20). 6-4. 7-shot (44% 3pt). 9-def.
-Ayo Dosunmu (#17). 6-5. 8-shot (39% 3pt). 8-def.
-Kai Jones (#12). 6-11. 9-shot (38% 3pt). 8-def.
-Nah'Shon Hyland (#19). 6-3. 9-shot (37% 3pt). 8-def.
-Moses Moody (#8). 6-6. 9-shot (36% 3pt). 8-def.
-Franz Wagner (#15). 6-9. 8-shot (34% 3pt). 7-def.
-Josh Christopher (#18). 6-4. 7-shot (31% 3pt). 7-def.
-James Bouknight (#7). 6-5. 8-shot (29% 3pt). 7-def.
-Ziaire Williams (#14). 6-8. 6-shot (29%). 8-def.
-Keon Johnson (#9). 6-5. 7-shot (27% 3pt). 9-def.

[zeebneeb]

After 26 games? After a season he played 7 games, got injured then sat for months, played 19 more? I'd imagine not much value at all.

How about we let the team actually play together and see how it goes first?

[stylesofpunk]

No

We rolling with hayes-cade-bey-grant-stewart

If after the year it don't work out him and Sekou run our 2nd unit(plus if it don't work out we would have another lotto pick) and cap space you don't trade your 19/20 year old PG 1 year after drafting him when he 1. Got injured so it delayed some of his progression and 2. Adjustment to the NBA and 3. The way the season was with the covid stuff

[440BB]

I would think Hayes' value right now is about as low as it will ever be unless he washes out next season. I doubt he's get us anything of value in the draft or trade market.

Better to see how he develops over the summer and next season. He started the season the wrong way, which Casey acknowledges. With the injury, he ended up with very little developmental play in his first season.

[DBC10]

I think we still haven't seen the true potential of this roster yet since with injuries and the Blake mandatory playing time kind of derailed most of what we could get as pure data from an on court off court plus/minus perspective. I want to see at least 200 minutes of Cade/Hayes/Bey/Grant/Stew lineup before we start thinking about shipping a guy off

On paper, it should be good not great, although shooting is a bit of a problem since Stew is maybe ok, Grant isn't a deadeye but he'll make shots, and Bey being the only sharpshooter on there. And we know where Hayes' is at, which he needs to take several tiers of improvement offensively.

[tradez401]

It's so annoying with all the trade Killian comments I've seen from either Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube like damn can we see him play summer league/a full season to see what we really have with him people ain't got no damn patience anymore.

[chrbal]

Board's thoughts?

He played the first 7 games of the season while Rose was trying to prove his trade value, Blake was going through the motions, and they also had a veteran point guard in Wright (who had played for Casey before) that was more reliable then a rookie point guard in his first games in the NBA. He then didn’t play a game from January 4th to April 3rd due to injury. He came back just before we started to blatantly tank. He was also on game management while he tried to get up to speed.

It’s my opinion that Cade is basically a player that you eventually want facilitating the offense regardless of what position he’s at. With Hayes defensive potential at pg, it makes a helluva lot of sense to develop him. I don’t get why a bunch of people think we need to unload Hayes because of fit. But I suspect it’s the same mindset as people who don’t feel Grant is worth keeping because he “doesn’t fit the timeline”. Because every key player should be nearly the same age or something.

It doesn’t really make sense to trade hayes.

[bstein14]

He would not net us a lottery pick so it makes no sense to trade him for anything. Cade can play SG.

[Manocad]

Pick's almost certainly going to be Cade. IMHO, he's an attacking PG all the way. IMHO, he'll be at his best w/ 4 guys on the court who can shoot 3's, play D, and cut to the basket. Stewart is one of those guys. Bey is one of those guys. Grant is one of those guys (if he's a long-term part of the core).

Killian is not. And idk if he'll ever be a good enough 3pt shooter and defender to play SG on a Finals contender. His ceiling here, I think, is great backup PG. That's nothing to spit on. I don't think we should trade him for nothing. But if you can get a top-20 pick for him...essentially trade him for a nice young 3&D wing...I'm in.

Board's thoughts?

That you need Ritalin.

[mike06181]

Teams play 5 guys at a time in the NBA still?

If so if hayes is one of the 5 best he should start. Why cant cade and killian play together?

And if they cant then the french connection coming off the bench would be unreal.

Either way trade talks are idiotic

[joeposh]

Outside of trying to trade him while he was out with his hip injury, I can't imagine a worse time to move him. Need to find out what we have first, and showcase it a bit. No value in moving a young guy on a rookie contract for scraps.

[haulerch]

A travel size bottle of shampoo.

[Pharaoh]

Think there's a rush to make moves for the sake of making moves and a weird want to "win" now despite a roster full of 19-23 year olds.

Hayes & Cade can easily play together for extended minutes, taking pressure off each other on both ends of the floor.



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[blueadams]

After 26 games? After a season he played 7 games, got injured then sat for months, played 19 more? I'd imagine not much value at all.

How about we let the team actually play together and see how it goes first?

1. He was the #7 pick 7 months ago and showed promise on the court this season. He has plenty of value.

2. A franchise Pg just fell into our laps. The makeup of the "team" has changed. We now have a valuable backup who could be exchanged for a valuable starter.

[bstein14]

I also think its fine to have him be a part of the bench rotation this year.

Hayes - Jackson - Jackson - Sekou - Stewart (or Plumlee if Stewart starts) is a really solid bench unit. Diallo also could possibly be in there for one of the Jacksons.

That lineup is fine with me off the bench. Lots of youth an energy and you need someone off the bench handling the ball.

Putting Hayes on the bench isn't a bad thing. He was gifted a starting role last year, but at some point its something you should have to earn it shouldn't be given year after year as that ends up causing chemistry issues if other players are more deserving.

[blueadams]

No

We rolling with hayes-cade-bey-grant-stewart

If after the year it don't work out him and Sekou run our 2nd unit(plus if it don't work out we would have another lotto pick) and cap space you don't trade your 19/20 year old PG 1 year after drafting him when he 1. Got injured so it delayed some of his progression and 2. Adjustment to the NBA and 3. The way the season was with the covid stuff

I don't understand your logic. We have a talented young PG. We're about to have a much more talented young PG. Why not trade our talented young backup PG for a talented young SG (via a draft pick)? It's not like we'd be drafting a 30yr old with no growth potential with a mid-1st rd pick in the 2021 draft. Could be another Bey or Stewart added to the core.

*Also. Pleaea don't mention Sekou as part of our future.

[blueadams]

I would think Hayes' value right now is about as low as it will ever be unless he washes out next season. I doubt he's get us anything of value in the draft or trade market.

Better to see how he develops over the summer and next season. He started the season the wrong way, which Casey acknowledges. With the injury, he ended up with very little developmental play in his first season.

Strongly, strongly disagree. Think we could get a mid-1st for him easy, and turn that into a great young wing who fits better on CADE's team.

[blueadams]

I think we still haven't seen the true potential of this roster yet since with injuries and the Blake mandatory playing time kind of derailed most of what we could get as pure data from an on court off court plus/minus perspective. I want to see at least 200 minutes of Cade/Hayes/Bey/Grant/Stew lineup before we start thinking about shipping a guy off

On paper, it should be good not great, although shooting is a bit of a problem since Stew is maybe ok, Grant isn't a deadeye but he'll make shots, and Bey being the only sharpshooter on there. And we know where Hayes' is at, which he needs to take several tiers of improvement offensively.

What are the odds that Killian becomes a good enough 3pt shooter and defender to be a starting SG on a Finals-caliber team?

What are the odds that a mid-1st rd pick is already a good enough 3pt shooter and defender to eventually be a starting SG on a Finals-caliber team?

I vote #2

[zeebneeb]

After 26 games? After a season he played 7 games, got injured then sat for months, played 19 more? I'd imagine not much value at all.

How about we let the team actually play together and see how it goes first?

1. He was the #7 pick 7 months ago and showed promise on the court this season. He has plenty of value.

2. A franchise Pg just fell into our laps. The makeup of the "team" has changed. We now have a valuable backup who could be exchanged for a valuable starter.

There is nothing wrong with having two playmakers on the floor at the same time. Cade is an excellent shooter so I see zero issue with him playing the two, or switching with Hayes.

You never, ever, under any circumstances trade a lottery pick until you are 100% certain they are not going to reach their potential. We as Piston fans should know this better then anyone as we enjoyed having the #3 pick in the draft become the captain, and floor leader after he was cast away by shortsighted teams and their management, leading the Pistons to a championship, and he was also finals MVP.

Cade, because of his size and length can play 4 positions so there is no need to move Hayes, period.

[Invictus88]

His trade value is: N/A. Not applicable. Because we shouldn't be trading him.