where do the Cavs land on your crystal ball ?

[jbk1234]

Well I'm just using the projection most had for Sexton. But even if we wanted to use his efficient 24 ppg, pretty sure the going rate is something like 25 mil in the NBA right?

I guess the question is whether he's getting enough FGAs on another, better team to average all that, or whether a different coaching staff might rein him in some.

I mean my thoughts are pretty well known, and I don't want to make it sound like he didn't improve in terms of ball movement and assists because he did, but I'm not convinced the team's offense is more efficient with him leading the team in FGAs by as much as he does.

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I mean that's fine to think that, but I'm just asking what do you think is the going rate for an efficient 25 ppg player. Whether you think him leading the team in FGAs or not doesn't matter. Just a purely analytical, Player X is an efficient 25 ppg player and we'll even add in defensive issues. This would cover guys like Sexton, Lavine, Booker, BI, etc in this scenario as they are just that right now, or at least close enough to the 24/25 ppg cut-off while being efficient.

I think teams are going to pay him based on the role they best envision him in and I don't think that's the role he's occupied on the Cavs. He's not getting 20 FGAs per the game off the bench, or even starting for a good team, especially with him driving to the rim that much. You can't seperate his FGAs from his scoring.

I'm a little skeptical that there's a team that will offer him a max as a RFA. Maybe OKC or the Knicks. But I don't think that will be a good decision and I expect that they'd regret it. Now, if he applies himself on defense, shows substantial improvement, and continues to build on his offensive improvement in terms of assists and playing more within the flow of the offense, I would change my mind. But until that happens, I'm willing to let his agent pitch the argument you're making.

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[Revenged25]

I guess the question is whether he's getting enough FGAs on another, better team to average all that, or whether a different coaching staff might rein him in some.

I mean my thoughts are pretty well known, and I don't want to make it sound like he didn't improve in terms of ball movement and assists because he did, but I'm not convinced the team's offense is more efficient with him leading the team in FGAs by as much as he does.

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I mean that's fine to think that, but I'm just asking what do you think is the going rate for an efficient 25 ppg player. Whether you think him leading the team in FGAs or not doesn't matter. Just a purely analytical, Player X is an efficient 25 ppg player and we'll even add in defensive issues. This would cover guys like Sexton, Lavine, Booker, BI, etc in this scenario as they are just that right now, or at least close enough to the 24/25 ppg cut-off while being efficient.

I think teams are going to pay him based on the role they best envision him in and I don't think that's the role he's occupied on the Cavs. He's not getting 20 FGAs per the game off the bench, or even starting for a good team, especially with him driving to the rim that much. You can't seperate his FGAs from his scoring.

I'm a little skeptical that there's a team that will offer him a max as a RFA. Maybe OKC or the Knicks. But I don't think that will be a good decision and I expect that they'd regret it. Now, if he applies himself on defense, shows substantial improvement, and continues to build on his offensive improvement in terms of assists and playing more within the flow of the offense, I would change my mind. But until that happens, I'm willing to let his agent pitch the argument you're making.

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I'm with you on waiting till this season is over to pay him ourselves, match any RFA offer, or S&T him, but I'm not for trading him before the season unless it makes a lot, a lot, a lot of sense.

[jbk1234]

I mean that's fine to think that, but I'm just asking what do you think is the going rate for an efficient 25 ppg player. Whether you think him leading the team in FGAs or not doesn't matter. Just a purely analytical, Player X is an efficient 25 ppg player and we'll even add in defensive issues. This would cover guys like Sexton, Lavine, Booker, BI, etc in this scenario as they are just that right now, or at least close enough to the 24/25 ppg cut-off while being efficient.

I think teams are going to pay him based on the role they best envision him in and I don't think that's the role he's occupied on the Cavs. He's not getting 20 FGAs per the game off the bench, or even starting for a good team, especially with him driving to the rim that much. You can't seperate his FGAs from his scoring.

I'm a little skeptical that there's a team that will offer him a max as a RFA. Maybe OKC or the Knicks. But I don't think that will be a good decision and I expect that they'd regret it. Now, if he applies himself on defense, shows substantial improvement, and continues to build on his offensive improvement in terms of assists and playing more within the flow of the offense, I would change my mind. But until that happens, I'm willing to let his agent pitch the argument you're making.

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I'm with you on waiting till this season is over to pay him ourselves, match any RFA offer, or S&T him, but I'm not for trading him before the season unless it makes a lot, a lot, a lot of sense.

Yeah, I'm not moving him just to move him.

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[Stillwater]

I went down a Youtube rabbit hole and Im starting to really love the potential of having Green on this roster. Somebody mentioned that while he is thin, hes [b]really long in the arms [/b]and since hes 19--he could still physically grow. If that happens and he does reach 6'7" with a long reach, he could potentially play SF with Okoro at SG or vise versa.

Okoro/Green could hypothetically just be 'position-less' wings each night IF Green does grow a tad more.

I am now also afraid Green is receiving a ton of pre-draft hype and will be taken by the Rockets lol

I am listening to a podcast and the one thing they mentioned was how Green/Mobley could be the high end prospect that makes all of the others 'click' together. Which Im here for.

I wish he would have gotten measured at the combine because old info says he is the same as Okoro or less

Those measurements were from 2019 when he was 17/18 years old. I would have to assume he has grown since then. When you watch him on video it does look like he has some long skinny arms just from a eye test and hes most likely still growing into his body at such a young age. Might not be Brandon Ingram level of long/skinny but Green looks to be in that same mold.

Skinny being the operative word here, because although he may have grown and stuff, the sources were from the G league this season. He has a wingspan similar or shorter than Okoro and hardly anything to get excited about outside of a guard role defensively.
His iso ability is intriguing, don't see him as the BPA though not by enough to make him the obvious choice

[LivingLegend]

I wish he would have gotten measured at the combine because old info says he is the same as Okoro or less

Those measurements were from 2019 when he was 17/18 years old. I would have to assume he has grown since then. When you watch him on video it does look like he has some long skinny arms just from a eye test and hes most likely still growing into his body at such a young age. Might not be Brandon Ingram level of long/skinny but Green looks to be in that same mold.

Skinny being the operative word here, because although he may have grown and stuff, the sources were from the G league this season. He has a wingspan similar or shorter than Okoro and hardly anything to get excited about outside of a guard role defensively.
His iso ability is intriguing, don't see him as the BPA though not by enough to make him the obvious choice

Let me guess, you want to take a guy like Kuminga because he has a broken jumpshot.....

[Stillwater]

Those measurements were from 2019 when he was 17/18 years old. I would have to assume he has grown since then. When you watch him on video it does look like he has some long skinny arms just from a eye test and hes most likely still growing into his body at such a young age. Might not be Brandon Ingram level of long/skinny but Green looks to be in that same mold.

Skinny being the operative word here, because although he may have grown and stuff, the sources were from the G league this season. He has a wingspan similar or shorter than Okoro and hardly anything to get excited about outside of a guard role defensively.
His iso ability is intriguing, don't see him as the BPA though not by enough to make him the obvious choice

Let me guess, you want to take a guy like Kuminga because he has a broken jumpshot.....

wrong reason to pass on him...
He has a broken shot selection and needs coached up his mechanics are good.
He is a physical specimen with Kawhi 2.0 written all over him if developed but its a gamble and easy to look elsewhere if you want instant gratification which they will I am sure as the majority of fans are screaming for the shooters and Altman always cares what the fans think lol

[LivingLegend]

Skinny being the operative word here, because although he may have grown and stuff, the sources were from the G league this season. He has a wingspan similar or shorter than Okoro and hardly anything to get excited about outside of a guard role defensively.
His iso ability is intriguing, don't see him as the BPA though not by enough to make him the obvious choice

Let me guess, you want to take a guy like Kuminga because he has a broken jumpshot.....

wrong reason to pass on him...
He has a broken shot selection and needs coached up his mechanics are good.
He is a physical specimen with Kawhi 2.0 written all over him if developed but its a gamble and easy to look elsewhere if you want instant gratification which they will I am sure as the majority of fans are screaming for the shooters and Altman always cares what the fans think lol

You don't shoot 36% from the floor and 28% from 3 because ' you need coached up'. He can't shoot. We have enough players that can't shoot outlined by our league horrible 3pt shooting percentage and ranking.

If you can't shoot the basketball, I want nothing to do with you. That's my stipulation for anybody whose not a 7ft. Center that joins the Cavs this off season

[JonFromVA]

I think teams are going to pay him based on the role they best envision him in and I don't think that's the role he's occupied on the Cavs. He's not getting 20 FGAs per the game off the bench, or even starting for a good team, especially with him driving to the rim that much. You can't seperate his FGAs from his scoring.

I'm a little skeptical that there's a team that will offer him a max as a RFA. Maybe OKC or the Knicks. But I don't think that will be a good decision and I expect that they'd regret it. Now, if he applies himself on defense, shows substantial improvement, and continues to build on his offensive improvement in terms of assists and playing more within the flow of the offense, I would change my mind. But until that happens, I'm willing to let his agent pitch the argument you're making.

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I'm with you on waiting till this season is over to pay him ourselves, match any RFA offer, or S&T him, but I'm not for trading him before the season unless it makes a lot, a lot, a lot of sense.

Yeah, I'm not moving him just to move him.

We're talking the Cavs here ... we always make the most of any chance to create dysfunction.

If they don't see the two sides reaching an easy agreement on an extension, they might as well trade Collin for the best we can get. Pull that splinter out now, and don't let it turn to gangrene.

It's not how I'd want to do it, but given our track record it may be our best choice.

The key is after the trade and the draft ending up with a balanced starting 5.

[Revenged25]

I'm with you on waiting till this season is over to pay him ourselves, match any RFA offer, or S&T him, but I'm not for trading him before the season unless it makes a lot, a lot, a lot of sense.

Yeah, I'm not moving him just to move him.

We're talking the Cavs here ... we always make the most of any chance to create dysfunction.

If they don't see the two sides reaching an easy agreement on an extension, they might as well trade Collin for the best we can get. Pull that splinter out now, and don't let it turn to gangrene.

It's not how I'd want to do it, but given our track record it may be our best choice.

The key is after the trade and the draft ending up with a balanced starting 5.

Another option in the T&T channel was a Heat trade that had Herro, Achuiwa, and expiring salary matching for Love/Sexton. I'd probably be ok with a trade like that if it was Robinson instead of Herro as Robinson could fit into the rotation at 2-4 with Green/Okoro/Nance pretty easily.

Granted Duncan is going to need to be paid as well but that will likely be in the 15-20 range.

[Stillwater]

Let me guess, you want to take a guy like Kuminga because he has a broken jumpshot.....

wrong reason to pass on him...
He has a broken shot selection and needs coached up his mechanics are good.
He is a physical specimen with Kawhi 2.0 written all over him if developed but its a gamble and easy to look elsewhere if you want instant gratification which they will I am sure as the majority of fans are screaming for the shooters and Altman always cares what the fans think lol

You don't shoot 36% from the floor and 28% from 3 because ' you need coached up'. He can't shoot. We have enough players that can't shoot outlined by our league horrible 3pt shooting percentage and ranking.

If you can't shoot the basketball, I want nothing to do with you. That's my stipulation for anybody whose not a 7ft. Center that joins the Cavs this off season

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

[Revenged25]

wrong reason to pass on him...
He has a broken shot selection and needs coached up his mechanics are good.
He is a physical specimen with Kawhi 2.0 written all over him if developed but its a gamble and easy to look elsewhere if you want instant gratification which they will I am sure as the majority of fans are screaming for the shooters and Altman always cares what the fans think lol

You don't shoot 36% from the floor and 28% from 3 because ' you need coached up'. He can't shoot. We have enough players that can't shoot outlined by our league horrible 3pt shooting percentage and ranking.

If you can't shoot the basketball, I want nothing to do with you. That's my stipulation for anybody whose not a 7ft. Center that joins the Cavs this off season

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Only time trading Sexton + 3 makes sense is if it's in a move to get an Embiid caliber talent and you think they would be able to compete with that player for many years to come.

[Stillwater]

You don't shoot 36% from the floor and 28% from 3 because ' you need coached up'. He can't shoot. We have enough players that can't shoot outlined by our league horrible 3pt shooting percentage and ranking.

If you can't shoot the basketball, I want nothing to do with you. That's my stipulation for anybody whose not a 7ft. Center that joins the Cavs this off season

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Only time trading Sexton + 3 makes sense is if it's in a move to get an Embiid caliber talent and you think they would be able to compete with that player for many years to come.

I am not suggesting they could or want to trade it like that but Is Altman dumb enough to trade for Simmons? I would not be surprised if that is where this is coming from given the Klutch connections to CLE. I agree though in retrospect it is far more likely that Woo and others spreading this rumor are just fishing for stories to surface from outside the org. if not I am so done with this frustration game.

[Revenged25]

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Only time trading Sexton + 3 makes sense is if it's in a move to get an Embiid caliber talent and you think they would be able to compete with that player for many years to come.

I am not suggesting they could or want to trade it like that but Is Altman dumb enough to trade for Simmons? I would not be surprised if that is where this is coming from given the Klutch connections to CLE. I agree though in retrospect it is far more likely that Woo and others spreading this rumor are just fishing for stories to surface from outside the org. if not I am so done with this frustration game.

Well I don't put Simmons in the Embiid category. I put that as top 10 players in the NBA level. Simmons is more 20-30 right now IMO. Now trading #3 OR Sexton in a trade for Simmons, sure, but not both.

[JonFromVA]

wrong reason to pass on him...
He has a broken shot selection and needs coached up his mechanics are good.
He is a physical specimen with Kawhi 2.0 written all over him if developed but its a gamble and easy to look elsewhere if you want instant gratification which they will I am sure as the majority of fans are screaming for the shooters and Altman always cares what the fans think lol

You don't shoot 36% from the floor and 28% from 3 because ' you need coached up'. He can't shoot. We have enough players that can't shoot outlined by our league horrible 3pt shooting percentage and ranking.

If you can't shoot the basketball, I want nothing to do with you. That's my stipulation for anybody whose not a 7ft. Center that joins the Cavs this off season

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Technically speaking there are shortcuts.

You can draft the higher floor players to build your roster then somewhere down the line add high ceiling players that need a lot of development later in the draft where the risks are much lower.

But that's over-complicating things ... Altman could have started his rebuild with a pick like Kuminga, but at this point his job is on the line and he'd be taking a huge career risk to draft him now at 3.

[Stillwater]

You don't shoot 36% from the floor and 28% from 3 because ' you need coached up'. He can't shoot. We have enough players that can't shoot outlined by our league horrible 3pt shooting percentage and ranking.

If you can't shoot the basketball, I want nothing to do with you. That's my stipulation for anybody whose not a 7ft. Center that joins the Cavs this off season

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Technically speaking there are shortcuts.

You can draft the higher floor players to build your roster then somewhere down the line add high ceiling players that need a lot of development later in the draft where the risks are much lower.

But that's over-complicating things ... Altman could have started his rebuild with a pick like Kuminga, but at this point his job is on the line and he'd be taking a huge career risk to draft him now at 3.

Sure, Barnes is the BPA forward over Kuminga if Mobley is gone the way Barnes has showed out at the combine and his ability to make his teammates better and score at the cup with ease ala Greek freak in the making. Has a 12' vertical leap reach and can easily play 1-5 defensively. Does he fix the spacing issue? obviously his lack of shooting says otherwise, but I imagine his polarity as a driver and playmaker easily puts DG and Sexton in position for open shots playing off this beast. Banres for me as to be above Green despite Green being so appealing as a guy who can shoot like some of the best shooters in the NBA can. It really comes down to if Sexton is willing to take a lesser role for the Cavs if in fact they are wanting Green as their first option. If Sexton is into it cool, but as some assume he could expect to get a big offer sheet in RFA and the only way Cavs match after drafting another guard is if he is still in the sl. So trading him is the rumor.
I think they draft Barnes or Mobley and keep Sexland ultimately paying Sexton less than a max and if anything bring Okoro off the bench putting the ball in his hands like at the end of the season...

[Revenged25]

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Technically speaking there are shortcuts.

You can draft the higher floor players to build your roster then somewhere down the line add high ceiling players that need a lot of development later in the draft where the risks are much lower.

But that's over-complicating things ... Altman could have started his rebuild with a pick like Kuminga, but at this point his job is on the line and he'd be taking a huge career risk to draft him now at 3.

Sure, Barnes is the BPA forward over Kuminga if Mobley is gone the way Barnes has showed out at the combine and his ability to make his teammates better and score at the cup with ease ala Greek freak in the making. Has a 12' vertical leap reach and can easily play 1-5 defensively. Does he fix the spacing issue? obviously his lack of shooting says otherwise, but I imagine his polarity as a driver and playmaker easily puts DG and Sexton in position for open shots playing off this beast. Banres for me as to be above Green despite Green being so appealing as a guy who can shoot like some of the best shooters in the NBA can. It really comes down to if Sexton is willing to take a lesser role for the Cavs if in fact they are wanting Green as their first option. If Sexton is into it cool, but as some assume he could expect to get a big offer sheet in RFA and the only way Cavs match after drafting another guard is if he is still in the sl. So trading him is the rumor.
I think they draft Barnes or Mobley and keep Sexland ultimately paying Sexton less than a max and if anything bring Okoro off the bench putting the ball in his hands like at the end of the season...

So how would you feel if the Cavs got Green at #3 and were able to move Sexton for Barnes? Even if it's just purely Sexton for the pick that was Barnes?

[LivingLegend]

You still watching highlight videos as a scouting tool eh smh
everyone who is anyone knows his problem is forcing tough shots and killing his % and that he couldnt care less about having the better % as he does trying to get better at making those same shots by shooting them which is the only way anyone gets better. You can say he can't shoot all you like but it is a lie and the lack of shooting mechanics that you are imagining that prevent anyone from fixing shots dropping and missing the rim are far worse than his problem of needing to tone down on the bad shot selections in games and working on them when noone is keeping score.
He probably wont be the Cavs pick because others are moving up into that range that are farther along. But there is a significant chance they dont even keep the pick if these dfs trade Sexton and 3 for a win now vet at which point I have made it pretty clear I will be done with this org and will gladly walk away from engaging with irrational impatient takes in the middle if a rebuild.
There are no shortcuts and if Kuminga can be Kawhi in 3 yrs he is the pick even if Green can be Lavine as a rookie

Technically speaking there are shortcuts.

You can draft the higher floor players to build your roster then somewhere down the line add high ceiling players that need a lot of development later in the draft where the risks are much lower.

But that's over-complicating things ... Altman could have started his rebuild with a pick like Kuminga, but at this point his job is on the line and he'd be taking a huge career risk to draft him now at 3.

Sure, Barnes is the BPA forward over Kuminga if Mobley is gone the way Barnes has showed out at the combine and his ability to make his teammates better and score at the cup with ease ala Greek freak in the making. Has a 12' vertical leap reach and can easily play 1-5 defensively. Does he fix the spacing issue? obviously his lack of shooting says otherwise, but I imagine his polarity as a driver and playmaker easily puts DG and Sexton in position for open shots playing off this beast. Banres for me as to be above Green despite Green being so appealing as a guy who can shoot like some of the best shooters in the NBA can. It really comes down to if Sexton is willing to take a lesser role for the Cavs if in fact they are wanting Green as their first option. If Sexton is into it cool, but as some assume he could expect to get a big offer sheet in RFA and the only way Cavs match after drafting another guard is if he is still in the sl. So trading him is the rumor.
I think they draft Barnes or Mobley and keep Sexland ultimately paying Sexton less than a max and if anything bring Okoro off the bench putting the ball in his hands like at the end of the season...

Sexton and his agent can think they are going to get whatever they want BUT I have a suspicion that there are not many teams, if any at all, lined up clamoring to pay Collin Sexton big long-term money

I really do feel like the Cavs like Sexton more than the rest of the the league likes Sexton and you would find his value surprisingly low if he hit the open market.

Sexton to me seems like he might have a Reggie Jackson type of career where he's bouncing around because nobody will pay him long-term money.

[Stillwater]

Technically speaking there are shortcuts.

You can draft the higher floor players to build your roster then somewhere down the line add high ceiling players that need a lot of development later in the draft where the risks are much lower.

But that's over-complicating things ... Altman could have started his rebuild with a pick like Kuminga, but at this point his job is on the line and he'd be taking a huge career risk to draft him now at 3.

Sure, Barnes is the BPA forward over Kuminga if Mobley is gone the way Barnes has showed out at the combine and his ability to make his teammates better and score at the cup with ease ala Greek freak in the making. Has a 12' vertical leap reach and can easily play 1-5 defensively. Does he fix the spacing issue? obviously his lack of shooting says otherwise, but I imagine his polarity as a driver and playmaker easily puts DG and Sexton in position for open shots playing off this beast. Banres for me as to be above Green despite Green being so appealing as a guy who can shoot like some of the best shooters in the NBA can. It really comes down to if Sexton is willing to take a lesser role for the Cavs if in fact they are wanting Green as their first option. If Sexton is into it cool, but as some assume he could expect to get a big offer sheet in RFA and the only way Cavs match after drafting another guard is if he is still in the sl. So trading him is the rumor.
I think they draft Barnes or Mobley and keep Sexland ultimately paying Sexton less than a max and if anything bring Okoro off the bench putting the ball in his hands like at the end of the season...

So how would you feel if the Cavs got Green at #3 and were able to move Sexton for Barnes? Even if it's just purely Sexton for the pick that was Barnes?

No. I don't like Green as a Sexton replacement because it carries the same issues defensively of the current back court but adding Green to Sexton and moving DG gives the Cavs a double scoring punch far superior to DG + Green or DG + Sexton ,and if it is DG for the pick that was Barnes fk yes. But he aint worth a top 5 pick.

[JonFromVA]

Technically speaking there are shortcuts.

You can draft the higher floor players to build your roster then somewhere down the line add high ceiling players that need a lot of development later in the draft where the risks are much lower.

But that's over-complicating things ... Altman could have started his rebuild with a pick like Kuminga, but at this point his job is on the line and he'd be taking a huge career risk to draft him now at 3.

Sure, Barnes is the BPA forward over Kuminga if Mobley is gone the way Barnes has showed out at the combine and his ability to make his teammates better and score at the cup with ease ala Greek freak in the making. Has a 12' vertical leap reach and can easily play 1-5 defensively. Does he fix the spacing issue? obviously his lack of shooting says otherwise, but I imagine his polarity as a driver and playmaker easily puts DG and Sexton in position for open shots playing off this beast. Banres for me as to be above Green despite Green being so appealing as a guy who can shoot like some of the best shooters in the NBA can. It really comes down to if Sexton is willing to take a lesser role for the Cavs if in fact they are wanting Green as their first option. If Sexton is into it cool, but as some assume he could expect to get a big offer sheet in RFA and the only way Cavs match after drafting another guard is if he is still in the sl. So trading him is the rumor.
I think they draft Barnes or Mobley and keep Sexland ultimately paying Sexton less than a max and if anything bring Okoro off the bench putting the ball in his hands like at the end of the season...

Sexton and his agent can think they are going to get whatever they want BUT I have a suspicion that there are not many teams, if any at all, lined up clamoring to pay Collin Sexton big long-term money

I really do feel like the Cavs like Sexton more than the rest of the the league likes Sexton and you would find his value surprisingly low if he hit the open market.

Sexton to me seems like he might have a Reggie Jackson type of career where he's bouncing around because nobody will pay him long-term money.

Detroit paid Jackson ... but I'm not sure either team would say they won the deal.

February 19, 2015: As part of a 3-team trade, Reggie Jackson traded by the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Detroit Pistons; the Detroit Pistons traded D.J. Augustin, Kyle Singler and a 2019 2nd round draft pick (Isaiah Roby was later selected) to the Oklahoma City Thunder; the Detroit Pistons traded a 2017 2nd round draft pick (Thomas Bryant was later selected) to the Utah Jazz; the Oklahoma City Thunder traded Grant Jerrett, Kendrick Perkins, Tibor Pleiß and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Josh Okogie was later selected) to the Utah Jazz; and the Utah Jazz traded Enes Kanter and Steve Novak to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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Sure, Barnes is the BPA forward over Kuminga if Mobley is gone the way Barnes has showed out at the combine and his ability to make his teammates better and score at the cup with ease ala Greek freak in the making. Has a 12' vertical leap reach and can easily play 1-5 defensively. Does he fix the spacing issue? obviously his lack of shooting says otherwise, but I imagine his polarity as a driver and playmaker easily puts DG and Sexton in position for open shots playing off this beast. Banres for me as to be above Green despite Green being so appealing as a guy who can shoot like some of the best shooters in the NBA can. It really comes down to if Sexton is willing to take a lesser role for the Cavs if in fact they are wanting Green as their first option. If Sexton is into it cool, but as some assume he could expect to get a big offer sheet in RFA and the only way Cavs match after drafting another guard is if he is still in the sl. So trading him is the rumor.
I think they draft Barnes or Mobley and keep Sexland ultimately paying Sexton less than a max and if anything bring Okoro off the bench putting the ball in his hands like at the end of the season...

So how would you feel if the Cavs got Green at #3 and were able to move Sexton for Barnes? Even if it's just purely Sexton for the pick that was Barnes?

No. I don't like Green as a Sexton replacement because it carries the same issues defensively of the current back court but adding Green to Sexton and moving DG gives the Cavs a double scoring punch far superior to DG + Green or DG + Sexton ,and if it is DG for the pick that was Barnes fk yes. But he aint worth a top 5 pick.

I think Green might be able to pick up the scoring that Sexton had, in 2-3 years, but we'd at least stop hearing about the small backcourt issue. I also agree that Sexton has the most value which is why he might be able to get Barnes. Honestly if we Sexton is the plan going forward the pick should be Suggs as he provides the size and defense while still providing the ability to facilitate and score a little. Just don't know what Garland could fetch in a trade that would help the Cavs balance and improve in time.