The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread

[THE J0KER]

Hey guys, Celtics fan here, coming in peace.

I was just looking over your trade ideas because I was thinking about something similar as some being talked about here. I doubt Boston will trade Smart because he is one of former coach and now GM Brad Stevens favorites, so I could be wrong, but don't see that happening, and with the plan to resign Evan Fouriner I don't think there is a need for Barton. Boston is also pretty high on Nesmith, so I don't see them giving up on him after a pretty decent first year.

With that being said, I'm sure something could work out with Tristan Thompson going your way since we have Robert Williams, Al Horford, Moses Brown as our rotation and Grant Williams as a small ball five with Luke Kornet as a 3 and D at 7'2 maybe coming back and Tackop Fall as a 2 way also. So we are full up on big's, but could use Green as a back up PF, along with Jabari Parker to back up Jason Tatum. If Green opts in, which he probably would be wise to do so, what about this ?

Tristan Thompson for JaMychal Green straight swap.
You guys get an enforcer / rebounder on a one year deal behind Joker
We get a back up PF on a one year deal behind Tatum.

The last thing Nuggets need right now is another frontcourt player, while good defensive guard is a priority.

DENVER: Smart
BOSTON: McCollum
PORTLAND: DEN2020, BOS2021, T.Thompson, W.Barton, Bol Bol, A.Nesmith

[THE J0KER]

Rick Carlisle Agrees To Become Head Coach Of Pacers

Rick Carlisle's proven talent to build a powerful well-adjusted team around Euro-star, and maximize that star utility, will benefit Pacers and Domantis Sabonis next 4 years.

Nuggets was not even part of the rumors around RC this summer, which means they not even tried anything.

[skywalker33]

Rick Carlisle Agrees To Become Head Coach Of Pacers

Rick Carlisle's proven talent to build a powerful well-adjusted team around Euro-star, and maximize that star utility, will benefit Pacers and Domantis Sabonis next 4 years.

Nuggets was not even part of the rumors around RC this summer, which means they not even tried anything.

I think highly of Carlisle but no way do the Nuggets replace Malone with him right now, can't see KSE wanting to pay TWO head coaches when Malone is so tight with this team.

[The Rebel]

I am wondering what it is going to take to get Sexton. While he puts up nice stats he is not really good at running an offense but to small to really be a SG and so I think he is going to be a bench scorer on a good team. He would make a nice Murray replacement while we are waiting for Jamal to come back, and then he can be a bench scorer for us long term. If it doesn't work out than you can sign and trade him where he wants to go a year from now.

If Barton opts in than a Green, Barton, and 26th works for Sexton and Nance Jr.

This gets them a couple of good guys to have in the lockerroom and on the court along with a late 1st, while we get a good defensive PF and the scorer we need.


If Barton opts out that we could do Sexton for the 26th & Bol using our TPE.

While on the surface that isn't a great return, this deal will save Cleveland from having to sign Sexton to a big long contract while giving them the ability to re-sign Allen and pick up a full MLE type of guy the next 2 years to build around Garland, the 3rd pick, Okoro, and Allen.


Of course if you trade for Sexton than you have to trade Morris, as you cannot run a 4 PG rotation and someone is bound to be pissed.

Dreaming but maybe we could trade Morris for Rj Hampton and Mo Bamba.

I don't think Cole Anthony is really a PG, and Fultz is looking more like a good backup PG to me, so this gets them the PG they need desperately to build a winning team around WCJ, Isaac, Anthony, this year's 5th, and 8th pick.

Hampton showed he is going to stick in the league for a long time while in Orlando, but he is never going to be a PG. We bring him back and take a flyer on Bamba to see if we can turn him into a useful backup Center.

Combined it would give us
Sexton/ Campazzo/ Howard (Murray)
Dozier/ Hampton
Gordon/
MPJ/ NNaji/ Cancar/
Jokic/ Green/ Bamba

with the full MLE to spend on a backup 2/3.

[The Rebel]

Rick Carlisle Agrees To Become Head Coach Of Pacers

Rick Carlisle's proven talent to build a powerful well-adjusted team around Euro-star, and maximize that star utility, will benefit Pacers and Domantis Sabonis next 4 years.

Nuggets was not even part of the rumors around RC this summer, which means they not even tried anything.

I think highly of Carlisle but no way do the Nuggets replace Malone with him right now, can't see KSE wanting to pay TWO head coaches when Malone is so tight with this team.

Jokic and his brothers have openly talked about how much they like Malone and how much he has helped Nikola.

Murray and Malone are obviously close.

MPJ openly talks about how much he likes Malone helping him become a more complete player.

Other guys have talked about how much they like Malone and feel he has helped them. No team in the league is going to fire a coach that has so much support in the lockerroom especially when his only down year coincided with the worst of our injury issues. The front office knows that Malone is not perfect, but he is more likely to get a long extension this year than he is to get replaced.

[NuggetsWY]

Brooklyn seems dissatisfied with Joe Harris. I don't understand why, since he shoots 40% plus from 3pt range - 47% this year.

I like his game. I think he's fit well in Denver, depending on what we have to give up.

Barton (S&T) + Bol + pick(s)?

[skywalker33]

Brooklyn seems dissatisfied with Joe Harris. I don't understand why, since he shoots 40% plus from 3pt range - 47% this year.

I like his game. I think he's fit well in Denver, depending on what we have to give up.

Barton (S&T) + Bol + pick(s)?

Seems like he could be our Bogdonovic, good shooter off the bench. If BKN is disgruntled with him, not sure I'd add the pick(s) but definitely would do Barton + Bol for him

[TunaFish]

From a Malone Interview:


"We lose Game 4 to Phoenix and one of the neatest things about Nikola Jokic is this:

I'm done with my meeting with you guys, and he's getting ready to come on and he says, 'Hey Coach, before you leave, I'll come downstairs and we'll have a beer together.'"

Michael Malone, cont:

"So we wound up hanging out for like 2 hours after that game, talking about the season, talking about the summer, talking about his horses, talking about everything."

"And what I also say is, I don't know many owners like Josh Kroenke.

Josh Kroenke was there with me, and Nikola, and Josh Kroenke for 2 hours after getting eliminated in the second round."

"And when I went home that night, I said, 'Man, we've got a really unique setup here.

We're all disappointed we lost. No one was happy, especially getting swept on our home court..."

"But to have an owner, and an MVP who are just so down-to-earth and committed to doing whatever it takes to be better, and finding ways to win a championship.

Those 2 hours were so important."

"But I joke with Nikola, 'Hey, I'm coming over soon.' He goes, 'Coach, you can come, but you're not gonna find me.'"

[manchambo]

What would it take to convince you to move MPJ? Anything? I have mixed feelings because he is obviously going to be an all star caliber player, but part of me thinks they would be better off with a more balanced player in the front court—I think lots of people overstate Jokic’s defensive limitations, but it does seem like it will always be tough to play strong playoff defense with the two of them in the front court.

This question was spurred by me reading one of those ridiculous trade proposals that comes up in my feed—MPJ to the Thunder for the 6th and 16th picks and Dort. I think it would be insane for Denver to trade talent for picks right in the middle of it championship window with Jokic. But is there a veteran player that would make sense for MPJ?

[The Rebel]

From a Malone Interview:


"We lose Game 4 to Phoenix and one of the neatest things about Nikola Jokic is this:

I'm done with my meeting with you guys, and he's getting ready to come on and he says, 'Hey Coach, before you leave, I'll come downstairs and we'll have a beer together.'"

Michael Malone, cont:

"So we wound up hanging out for like 2 hours after that game, talking about the season, talking about the summer, talking about his horses, talking about everything."

"And what I also say is, I don't know many owners like Josh Kroenke.

Josh Kroenke was there with me, and Nikola, and Josh Kroenke for 2 hours after getting eliminated in the second round."

"And when I went home that night, I said, 'Man, we've got a really unique setup here.

We're all disappointed we lost. No one was happy, especially getting swept on our home court..."

"But to have an owner, and an MVP who are just so down-to-earth and committed to doing whatever it takes to be better, and finding ways to win a championship.

Those 2 hours were so important."

"But I joke with Nikola, 'Hey, I'm coming over soon.' He goes, 'Coach, you can come, but you're not gonna find me.'"

It is great that Malone has such a great relationship with Jokic, and his relationship with Murray is supposed to be just as good. It helps me think that Jokic is going to be here a long time, but it also worries me that Malone will still be making the same mistakes for the next 10 years here.

[The Rebel]

What would it take to convince you to move MPJ? Anything? I have mixed feelings because he is obviously going to be an all star caliber player, but part of me thinks they would be better off with a more balanced player in the front court—I think lots of people overstate Jokic’s defensive limitations, but it does seem like it will always be tough to play strong playoff defense with the two of them in the front court.

This question was spurred by me reading one of those ridiculous trade proposals that comes up in my feed—MPJ to the Thunder for the 6th and 16th picks and Dort. I think it would be insane for Denver to trade talent for picks right in the middle of it championship window with Jokic. But is there a veteran player that would make sense for MPJ?

I think the problem on defense is more perimeter than it is with either MPJ or Jokic, it comes down to guards fighting through screens. Our defense with Harris or PJ Dozier was top 5, without them it was bottom 10, regardless of who was at forward or Center.

That being said I would trade MPJ for the right deal, but the right deal is not a guy like Dort and picks out of the top 5. While I don't think the defense is a long term problem, I do wonder how great MPJ really is as a fit. His ability to get stripped is the worst I can remember ever seeing out of an NBA player. While Jokic demands a lot of touches, he does not hold the ball a lot, and a 2nd option with him needs to be able to create his own shot. Now with Murray's abilities on his return are unknown it becomes a very important ability that MPJ just does not have.

Early in the season I said I would trade him for Hunter and Reddish from the Hawks, and I would still consider it but would want incentive since both Hawks guys seem pretty injury prone. Trae and MPJ were on the same AAU team, and after the crap that the last generation of stars pulled I would not be surprised if they were already planning on teaming up. They work as an offensive pairing as well.

If you could get Sexton and the 3rd overall pick from Cleveland for MPJ than I think you have to look really hard at that deal.


I am sure there are plenty of other deals, but those 2 are off the top of my head that I would probably do.

[NuggetsWY]

What would it take to convince you to move MPJ? Anything? I have mixed feelings because he is obviously going to be an all star caliber player, but part of me thinks they would be better off with a more balanced player in the front court—I think lots of people overstate Jokic’s defensive limitations, but it does seem like it will always be tough to play strong playoff defense with the two of them in the front court.

This question was spurred by me reading one of those ridiculous trade proposals that comes up in my feed—MPJ to the Thunder for the 6th and 16th picks and Dort. I think it would be insane for Denver to trade talent for picks right in the middle of it championship window with Jokic. But is there a veteran player that would make sense for MPJ?

I think it would take Collins from Atlanta or Harris from Philadelphia or Isaac from Orlando to get my interest.

Collins for Porter would be close to even IMO.
Harris for Porter would probably require a little extra going to Denver - not sure how much more.
Isaac for Porter would probably require at least one mid-level 1st or a high potential young player.

[skywalker33]

If I'm looking at trading MPJ one of the 1st names I'd look into would be Sabonis +. He's a rugged PF who could control the paint, can score and rebound and is still young. Just going into his contract extension but it's not a MAX at least.

[Coeur]

If I'm looking at trading MPJ one of the 1st names I'd look into would be Sabonis +. He's a rugged PF who could control the paint, can score and rebound and is still young. Just going into his contract extension but it's not a MAX at least.

No way I see sabonis as a better player or fit than MpJ


I thought I was the only one left making MpJ trades into this season. By the end though I’m way more hesitant to trade MpJ than before. Would take a huge trade


Definitely not wanting to trade MpJ for a pf. With AG and nnaji, and cancar/Bolbol the depth there’s still a need for another SF. Losing MpJ would would make that SF hole gigantic

[skywalker33]

If I'm looking at trading MPJ one of the 1st names I'd look into would be Sabonis +. He's a rugged PF who could control the paint, can score and rebound and is still young. Just going into his contract extension but it's not a MAX at least.

No way I see sabonis as a better player or fit than MpJ

Perhaps you didn't read correctly, I said Sabonis +, indicating I believe we'd need more in the trade from IND. Also, this was more speculation, not my proposal. However, being that MPJ already IS playing PF, I could see us replacing him with a PF and Sabonis and as I said, he's a rugged, can score/rebound and can play some defense.+

Definitely not wanting to trade MpJ for a pf. With AG and nnaji, and cancar/Bolbol the depth there’s still a need for another SF. Losing MpJ would would make that SF hole gigantic

AG and Cancar both play SF, Nnaji is not ready to start at PF yet, Bol appears to be on the block IMO so it's a feasible idea in my book. That said, I am definitely not ready to trade MPJ anytime soon, just perpetuating conversation.

[Coeur]

Nugs have to want MpJ at SF long term and he is playing there offensively and only has been lacking defensively

The league will get bigger. Nugs want MpJ at his most advantageous spots it won’t be beating him up at pf


Gordon flip flopping with him defensively and covering the better of the two forwards is a huge bonus and part of his added value in Denver. AG is a pf offensively for the Nugs

[skywalker33]

Nugs have to want MpJ at SF long term and he is playing there offensively and only has been lacking defensively

The league will get bigger. Nugs want MpJ at his most advantageous spots it won’t be beating him up at pf


Gordon flip flopping with him defensively and covering the better of the two forwards is a huge bonus and part of his added value in Denver. AG is a pf offensively for the Nugs

You obviously don't watch the Nuggets, MPJ has been playing the PF, and had some success there. AG has been playing the SF and guarding the opposition's most potent offensive player. MPJ has had difficulty guarding the SF, moreso than the PF. At 6'11", he's adjusting to the PF position better and has better than adequate size, probably needs more strength though.

[The Rebel]

What would it take to convince you to move MPJ? Anything? I have mixed feelings because he is obviously going to be an all star caliber player, but part of me thinks they would be better off with a more balanced player in the front court—I think lots of people overstate Jokic’s defensive limitations, but it does seem like it will always be tough to play strong playoff defense with the two of them in the front court.

This question was spurred by me reading one of those ridiculous trade proposals that comes up in my feed—MPJ to the Thunder for the 6th and 16th picks and Dort. I think it would be insane for Denver to trade talent for picks right in the middle of it championship window with Jokic. But is there a veteran player that would make sense for MPJ?

I think it would take Collins from Atlanta or Harris from Philadelphia or Isaac from Orlando to get my interest.

Collins for Porter would be close to even IMO.
Harris for Porter would probably require a little extra going to Denver - not sure how much more.
Isaac for Porter would probably require at least one mid-level 1st or a high potential young player.

I get the appeal of Isaac, I wouldn't trade mpj for him without major incentive though due to the injury issues Isaac has had. I also get Collins, although I think Porter is on a considerably higher talent level and would want incentive to do that deal. The one I cannot figure out is Harris. Maybe it's just me but with Harris on a max deal I would not trade anything for him. To me he is a net negative.

[NuggetsWY]

What would it take to convince you to move MPJ? Anything? I have mixed feelings because he is obviously going to be an all star caliber player, but part of me thinks they would be better off with a more balanced player in the front court—I think lots of people overstate Jokic’s defensive limitations, but it does seem like it will always be tough to play strong playoff defense with the two of them in the front court.

This question was spurred by me reading one of those ridiculous trade proposals that comes up in my feed—MPJ to the Thunder for the 6th and 16th picks and Dort. I think it would be insane for Denver to trade talent for picks right in the middle of it championship window with Jokic. But is there a veteran player that would make sense for MPJ?

I think it would take Collins from Atlanta or Harris from Philadelphia or Isaac from Orlando to get my interest.

Collins for Porter would be close to even IMO.
Harris for Porter would probably require a little extra going to Denver - not sure how much more.
Isaac for Porter would probably require at least one mid-level 1st or a high potential young player.

I get the appeal of Isaac, I wouldn't trade mpj for him without major incentive though due to the injury issues Isaac has had. I also get Collins, although I think Porter is on a considerably higher talent level and would want incentive to do that deal. The one I cannot figure out is Harris. Maybe it's just me but with Harris on a max deal I would not trade anything for him. To me he is a net negative.

I agree that Porter would be my preference of all of those.

Collins would be my number two choice because I think his defense is better. I'd expect a high potential 3&D type or a mid 1st to be included with Collins.

Isaac is probably better than Collins but his injury scares me. So I'd want even more than with Collins. Sure, some are going to say Porter's had injury issues, but that's old news and doesn't actually affect him, so ...

Harris' contract is way too high, but I like him because he plays both ends and would probably be a nice fit alongside Jokic, especially on offense. But with that contract, I don't see how we can trade for him and if there is some miracle that brings him over - it had better include multiple 1sts.

[Richard Miller]

Trade MPJ only if a legit star is coming, and that is certainly not Sabonis.