Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[KnixinSix]

An article that discusses the merits of Cleveland trading or keeping him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/does-it-make-sense-for-the-cavaliers-to-trade-collin-sexton-terry-pluto.html%3foutputType=amp

I personally think with a top 3 pick and team construction they will lean to trade him.

I have heard from some that Sexton is actually the great potential fit for what Thibs likes at the point: attack the rim, run the pick and roll and keep pressure on the defense.

So is this the type of player with our teams construction that would help us take a big jump and/or help us bring in another star? Is he worth a max or is he the type of player that is not dynamic enough to be worth a max?

[mpharris36]

He's CAA so there is a possibility. I wouldn't mind it but it would all depend on the cost.

[Appleshampoo]

This could be the chance to luck into a franchise talent.

[Polk377]

An article that discusses the merits of Cleveland trading or keeping him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/does-it-make-sense-for-the-cavaliers-to-trade-collin-sexton-terry-pluto.html%3foutputType=amp

I personally think with a top 3 pick and team construction they will lean to trade him.

I have heard from some that Sexton is actually the great potential fit for what Thibs likes at the point: attack the rim, run the pick and roll and keep pressure on the defense.

So is this the type of player with our teams construction that would help us take a big jump and/or help us bring in another star? Is he worth a max or is he the type of player that is not dynamic enough to be worth a max?

I brought this up in the trades and transactions thread. I think it would be worth it if the price was one of the 1sts, 32nd pick, Knox and future 2nd. I think he would be a good fit and like you said someone that fits the style of a Thibs guard.

What would his max be? I assume it is in the $18-20 mil range a year coming off his rookie deal and not being eligible for the supermax. That's not terrible.

[mpharris36]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

[thebuzzardman]

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[DaGawd]

This kid is already averaging 24 ppg in his 3rd season. This is definitely a chance to luck in to a franchise level point guard

[thebuzzardman]

Sexton, Kevin of Love for Knox, #21 2021 pick

Actually I have no idea what is a fair trade here.

Hmm. 2 more years of Love at approximately 30 million.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/kevin-love-6132/

Maybe not.

[god shammgod]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

he wants a max

[NYF13]

Trae young is 180 pounds and 6 ft 1”
Sexton is 191 pounds and 6 ft 1”

Both play the PG position well. What makes Trae Young great is his natural shooting ability.

If Randle and RJ both improved their 3 pt shooting under this current coaching regime, May be Sexton will get better as a shooter.

If you can use 19, 21 and 32 to get Myles Turner and Colin Sexton then would you do it? Versus using the the picks to move up for a project like Giddy or Bouknight? Versus using them with more picks for 1 of the superstars - Beal/Kat/Dame??

We can speculate and wish as fans but the real negotiations are what makes the difference beteeen a good GM and a bad one.

[DaGawd]

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Shot happy ball dominant PG

Sign me up

He’s 6’2 6’3.. not really short

[3toheadmelo]

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[god shammgod]

i don't know. i understand the concept that you have to trade for these kind of guys before they break out or they're not available, i just don't believe. something about him screams this is a mistake. lol

[mpharris36]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

he wants a max

he's not getting the max even if he wants it but even then. He is still under control for next year at a cheap cost so at least you would have a year to see what he does before you would have to pay him.

[mpharris36]

Short
Bad defender
Shot happy ball dominant PG

Sign me up

He’s 6’2 6’3.. not really short

He has a 6'6 or 6'7 wingspan so he is big enough for a guard. He just needs much better effort on the defensive end.

[Knicksfan1992]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

I think the bolded is a little bit overblown. He's been put in possibly the worst defensive situation for himself considering he's often asked to guard players bigger than him because Garland is even slighter than he is. Also the Cavs haven't had a good defensive infrastructure since LeBron left. Is he good? No... but he has the requisite effort level to be passable IMO and even though he's shorter he has a +6 wingspan which helps make up for some of those deficiencies. I think Thibs would find a way to utilize his strengths on both ends of the floor because he's exactly the type of guard he has always gotten the most out of.

Defense isn't my biggest concern because I think we can find a way around it ultimately. I think unlocking his playmaking is the biggest challenge. He's proven he can score at a almost an elite level, the next level is proving he can leverage that scoring ability into helping the team as a whole. Honestly his situation is kinda similar to Randle's coming into this past year. How can we turn a talented but flawed guy into a winning player?

[mpharris36]

i don't know. i understand the concept that you have to trade for these kind of guys before they break out or they're not available, i just don't believe. something about him screams this is a mistake. lol

smallerish guys always have more risk. But if you look at Sexton's first 3 years to Booker's first 3 years...they are very similar with a slight edge to Sexton for efficiency.

[Appleshampoo]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

he wants a max

22 years old 24 ppg 47% of course he is. There's still this season before his team has to offer it I think?

The coaching staff is mature enough to turn this into a good situation. Almost everybody on the team improved defensively.

Nobody wants Loves contract but if that's the case you ask for Cleveland's 2022 FRP and offer Knox and next to nothing. Could be a steal.

[god shammgod]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

he wants a max

he's not getting the max even if he wants it but even then. He is still under control for next year at a cheap cost so at least you would have a year to see what he does before you would have to pay him.

d'lo got a max. once you trade assets for a guy, you're almost locked into paying them to get something out of your investment. they're not gonna give him away.

[DaGawd]

i don't know. i understand the concept that you have to trade for these kind of guys before they break out or they're not available, i just don't believe. something about him screams this is a mistake. lol

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