Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[3toheadmelo]

One of the reasons I am all for it is cause our options are very limited

We can either overpay for Lonzo/Schroder/Reggie Jackson

Or take a gamble on a 22 year old putting up Devin Booker numbers

It’s a no brainer for me

where's trade randle & tank as option 3 ?

Where’s the “ban sham” option

[mpharris36]

I'd do it for Knox and the Dallas first. That's my final offer.

I would do it for Obi and a 1st...ducks

[moocow007]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

My caveat has always been that Thibs needs to sign off on such a move. If he thinks he can reach Sexton then grab with both fists and run. Nothing about his physicality suggests that he couldn't be a plus defender or at least a piece of a good team defense.

another bonus is that he makes only like 6 MM this year and his cap hold is right at 19 MM in 2 years. So basically the knicks could also fit a max salary guy in before having to pay Sexton/RJ/Randle which be very valuable.

Yes. That's why trading for a guy like LaVine now rather than waiting for him to hit free agency makes sense. You get the benefit of smaller contracts now this offseason to try and stack up.

[mpharris36]

My caveat has always been that Thibs needs to sign off on such a move. If he thinks he can reach Sexton then grab with both fists and run. Nothing about his physicality suggests that he couldn't be a plus defender or at least a piece of a good team defense.

another bonus is that he makes only like 6 MM this year and his cap hold is right at 19 MM in 2 years. So basically the knicks could also fit a max salary guy in before having to pay Sexton/RJ/Randle which be very valuable.

Yes. That's why trading for a guy like LaVine now rather than waiting for him to hit free agency makes sense. You get the benefit of smaller contracts now this offseason to try and stack up.

the problem is that lavine value is probably double or even triple Sextons since Lavine already hit his max potential.

[RHODEY]

i don't know. i understand the concept that you have to trade for these kind of guys before they break out or they're not available, i just don't believe. something about him screams this is a mistake. lol

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Give me this kind of dog competitor on the Knicks all day!

He's a competitor in an Alonzo Trier sort of way. Not very good from a team aspect, but will get his. Can he change ...maybe....

[god shammgod]

I'd do it for Knox and the Dallas first. That's my final offer.

I would do it for Obi and a 1st...ducks

i think the knicks are more likely to trade both 1sts. especially with a year left to decide on randle. what if obi comes back next year looking a lot better. he's splashing more 3s and playing with confidence. then maybe you decide it's better not to move forward with randle. you never know.

[mpharris36]

I'd do it for Knox and the Dallas first. That's my final offer.

I would do it for Obi and a 1st...ducks

i think the knick are more likely to trade both 1sts. especially with a year left to decide on randle. what if obi comes back next year looking a lot better. he's splashing more 3s and playing with confidence. then maybe you decide it's better not to move forward with randle. you never know.

I guess. Then send them 19 and 21 for sexton

I was never the biggest obi fan to begin with in the pre draft process because I think he was a tweener (center on offense forward on defense)..I think we saw the slightest improvement and was like yah obi but that was becuase he was one of the worst players in the NBA earlier in the season.

Also Randle sucking so bad probably made Obi looked better too

[Capn'O]

I'd do it for Knox and the Dallas first. That's my final offer.

I would do it for Obi and a 1st...ducks

i think the knicks are more likely to trade both 1sts. especially with a year left to decide on randle. what if obi comes back next year looking a lot better. he's splashing more 3s and playing with confidence. then maybe you decide it's better not to move forward with randle. you never know.

So Obi and both firsts. Done.

[HerSports85]

Eh, I like Sexton but as a pg I want to build my team around longterm .. not so much. Maybe Rose, Thibs and Bryant can change him. I'd be willing to trade Knox, 2023 dallas FRP and 2021 SRP

[god shammgod]

I would do it for Obi and a 1st...ducks

i think the knick are more likely to trade both 1sts. especially with a year left to decide on randle. what if obi comes back next year looking a lot better. he's splashing more 3s and playing with confidence. then maybe you decide it's better not to move forward with randle. you never know.

I guess. Then send them 19 and 21 for sexton

I was never the biggest obi fan to begin with in the pre draft process because I think he was a tweener (center on offense forward on defense)..I think we saw the slightest improvement and was like yah obi but that was becuase he was one of the worst players in the NBA earlier in the season.

Also Randle sucking so bad probably made Obi looked better too

this group drafted him. they might believe in him enough to want to see more than 1 year. he didn't look scared in the playoffs like a lot of our guys, i'll give him that.

[DaGawd]

I’d be reluctant to trade Obi after how he looked in the playoffs and late in the season. But if push come to shove for Sexton I think I’d have to do it since he’s backing up Randle here and probably will never be given the lion share of minutes he needs to really make an impact

[GONYK]

I would do it for Obi and a 1st...ducks

i think the knicks are more likely to trade both 1sts. especially with a year left to decide on randle. what if obi comes back next year looking a lot better. he's splashing more 3s and playing with confidence. then maybe you decide it's better not to move forward with randle. you never know.

So Obi and both firsts. Done.

Even I would probably do this

[god shammgod]

i'm trying to find a way not to max out sexton and randle. if i have to believe in obi to do so, so be it lol. please work with me. because honestly, does that sound like a championship duo to you ?

[DOT]

He's one of those guys who put up big numbers but haven't been able to translate it into winning yet. And it's not just the Cavs sucking, they have been worse with him on the court every year, while someone like Garland, they were significantly better this year with him on

If you think Thibs can reach him like he did with Randle, it's a good risk, and he would probably be the best "realistic" option for us at PG

It also does come down to the price. I might even consider taking Love on if it meant not giving up firsts for him.

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[mpharris36]

i think the knick are more likely to trade both 1sts. especially with a year left to decide on randle. what if obi comes back next year looking a lot better. he's splashing more 3s and playing with confidence. then maybe you decide it's better not to move forward with randle. you never know.

I guess. Then send them 19 and 21 for sexton

I was never the biggest obi fan to begin with in the pre draft process because I think he was a tweener (center on offense forward on defense)..I think we saw the slightest improvement and was like yah obi but that was becuase he was one of the worst players in the NBA earlier in the season.

Also Randle sucking so bad probably made Obi looked better too

this group drafted him. they might believe in him enough to want to see more than 1 year. he didn't look scared in the playoffs like a lot of our guys, i'll give him that.

They did draft him. I guess I was projecting what I would do.

But they always had to be drafting him with the idea of trading him. They want to get a star here.

[HerSports85]

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[Jeff Van Gully]

i don't know. i understand the concept that you have to trade for these kind of guys before they break out or they're not available, i just don't believe. something about him screams this is a mistake. lol

Watch on YouTube

Give me this kind of dog competitor on the Knicks all day!

i tend to agree that his scoring can be better with more spacing. i look at his skill set in the context of what thibs is orchestrating. on offense he's a pretty good idea.

his defensive flaws you'd have to hope coaches and teammates can help with.

[KnixinSix]

Does he move the needle enough to get a Superstar to come here? Randle, Sexton ,RJ. Would a Superstar think that is enough?

One of the most interesting things about a Sexton move is the Knicks could have room for TWO near maxes in addition to him.

[mpharris36]

i'm trying to find a way not to max out sexton and randle. if i have to believe in obi to do so, so be it lol. please work with me. because honestly, does that sound like a championship duo to you ?

what about in 2022:

Sexton
3/D 2 guard
RJ
KD
Randle

IQ off the bench

after Kyrie goes awall again next year and Harden gets fatter...maybe KD wants out?

[moocow007]

another bonus is that he makes only like 6 MM this year and his cap hold is right at 19 MM in 2 years. So basically the knicks could also fit a max salary guy in before having to pay Sexton/RJ/Randle which be very valuable.

Yes. That's why trading for a guy like LaVine now rather than waiting for him to hit free agency makes sense. You get the benefit of smaller contracts now this offseason to try and stack up.

the problem is that lavine value is probably double or even triple Sextons since Lavine already hit his max potential.

Sure...but really talking about the extra "value" of trading for guys with smaller contracts over a Dame or another supermax cat.