MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Spoiler:

Reason I'd do a Herro for Sexton trade :

1) Sexton is more "win now" ready. He put up 24 PPG on good efficiency last year on a bad team.

2) I have a lot less defensive concenrs about him. Herro is awful on defense, Sexton is probably a plus defender in our system.

3) Rumblings are Herro lost focus. Sexton looks like a classic Heat player, guy is hard nosed and intense.

4) He's improved considerably every year, I think he'll continue to get better here.

5) Allows us to keep Duncan next to him. Herro can't play next to Duncan IMO.

Herro gave us 17/6/4 as a starter

Only reason he lost his spot is because of Spo's juggling..

I have ZERO doubt he can give you near Sexton's numbers on the Cavs where you just roll the ball out there and go do whatever.

Watch on YouTube

This is the game I saw what Herro looks like when not waiting in the corner for the dribble handoffs to break down

I like Herro, I think he has huge balls. And his game is smooth.

With that said :

1) He's one of the worst defenders I've ever seen in the NBA. After 2 years, he's an extremally bad defender despite having good coaching.

2) He can't get to the line. There's no way to be a great scorer if you don't get to the line. The efficiency goes up, you put pressure on the defense, shooting FT's at high rate is a MUST for every good scorer. It's a extremally important skill for a lead guard, and for whatever reason he doesn't have it.

Basically he's a very bad defender with almost no shot at becoming a really great scorer, his focus in now in question, and physically he'll always be limited.

I'd take Sexton over him, I hate to admit it won't be an hard decision either.

I'm on board with trading Herro for Sexton, however I'm not as down on Herro as others seem to be. Few things:

- Herro is by no means a good defender, particularly not individually, but we still managed a 112.9 DRTG with him on the floor (despite often times playing him with DRob or Gogi/Nunn/Gabe in our disastee 3 guard lineups). Well below our 111.2 DRTG for the season but not too far off the league median of 112.5, and better than our 113.4 with Nunn on the floor

- His .167 FT rate definitely needs work, but I'm not sure our offensive system was ideal for onball creators not not named Butler, Bam or Dragic. Olynyk had a .106 FT rate in Miami last season, well below his career rate of over .250 and the .328 in 2019, then promptly elevated that to .421 in Houston where he was allowed to create offense with the ball in his hands

Again, I would do Herro for Sexton, but a big reason for that is fit if the assumption is that we retain DRob. Using Herro as 6th man is kinda wasting his potential going into year 3, but we don't have a traditional PG so we need a better ballhandler than Herro in the starting lineup if DRob is there. Sexton isn't a pure PG but he can handle primary or secondary ballhandling duties with Butler

[CanesHeatFins]

PG: Sexton
SG: Powell
SF: Butler
PF: Love
Ce: Adebayo






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I'm absolutely in love with that Sexton/Norm Powell backcourt idea. The only thing I'd do is flip Love and that 31m into something else. Love called Butler's work ethic phony, no way he comes here.

[DayofMourning]

Spoiler:

Herro gave us 17/6/4 as a starter

Only reason he lost his spot is because of Spo's juggling..

I have ZERO doubt he can give you near Sexton's numbers on the Cavs where you just roll the ball out there and go do whatever.

Watch on YouTube

This is the game I saw what Herro looks like when not waiting in the corner for the dribble handoffs to break down

I like Herro, I think he has huge balls. And his game is smooth.

With that said :

1) He's one of the worst defenders I've ever seen in the NBA. After 2 years, he's an extremally bad defender despite having good coaching.

2) He can't get to the line. There's no way to be a great scorer if you don't get to the line. The efficiency goes up, you put pressure on the defense, shooting FT's at high rate is a MUST for every good scorer. It's a extremally important skill for a lead guard, and for whatever reason he doesn't have it.

Basically he's a very bad defender with almost no shot at becoming a really great scorer, his focus in now in question, and physically he'll always be limited.

I'd take Sexton over him, I hate to admit it won't be an hard decision either.

I'm on board with trading Herro for Sexton, however I'm not as down on Herro as others seem to be. Few things:

- Herro is by no means a good defender, particularly not individually, but we still managed a 112.9 DRTG with him on the floor (despite often times playing him with DRob or Gogi/Nunn/Gabe in our disastee 3 guard lineups). Well below our 111.2 DRTG for the season but not too far off the league median of 112.5, and better than our 113.4 with Nunn on the floor

- His .167 FT rate definitely needs work, but I'm not sure our offensive system was ideal for onball creators not not named Butler, Bam or Dragic. Olynyk had a .106 FT rate in Miami last season, well below his career rate of over .250 and the .328 in 2019, then promptly elevated that to .421 in Houston where he was allowed to create offense with the ball in his hands

Again, I would do Herro for Sexton, but a big reason for that is fit if the assumption is that we retain DRob. Using Herro as 6th man is kinda wasting his potential going into year 3, but we don't have a traditional PG so we need a better ballhandler than Herro in the starting lineup if DRob is there. Sexton isn't a pure PG but he can handle primary or secondary ballhandling duties with Butler

Nice post BUFML. Good break down on a lot of details that some might overlook.

I'm all down for tons of Sex. He's a cool dude. A bit crazy and I love him for it. He's a decent upgrade over Nunn at an acute pay decrease. I really don't want us to pay Nunn.

I'd dislike losing Herro, but that's the cost. Herro will get better.

[contract]

We actually went from talking about adding Giannis or Harden to talking about trading for Collin Sexton?

If we're going this route then there's no point in keeping Jimmy. We won't be winning anything and Butler will only lose value with every passing season.

[DayofMourning]

Would be interesting to compare Harden and Sexton in their 3rd seasons. Sexton would probably fare pretty well. Especially if you account for Harden playing off of Durant and Westbrook, while Sexton was first option.

[gom]

There is quite a difference in value between Herro and Sexton. I'm not sure Miami has enough resources to trade for Sexton without adding future picks.

We actually went from talking about adding Giannis or Harden to talking about trading for Colin Sexton?

If we're going this route then there's no point in keeping Jimmy. We won't be winning anything and Butler will only lose value with every passing season.

Yes. This is what I believe too. We should try to auction Jimmy and get something for him. It will be better for him too if we can trade him to a real competitive team.

[DayofMourning]

There is quite a difference in value between Herro and Sexton. I'm not sure Miami has enough resources to trade for Sexton without adding future picks.

We actually went from talking about adding Giannis or Harden to talking about trading for Colin Sexton?

If we're going this route then there's no point in keeping Jimmy. We won't be winning anything and Butler will only lose value with every passing season.

Yes. This is what I believe too. We should try to auction Jimmy and get something for him. It will be better for him too if we can trade him to a real competitive team.

Which teams would you be looking at, gom?

[Beenie]

Think Sexton is getting a bit overvalued here.

And I don't think Cleve would do the hypothetical swap for Herro but not for the same reasons that are being proposed.

With Garland already on their roster, bringing in Herro is redundant.

Also, it's entirely possible that Clev drafts a guard which would further motivate them to want to move Sexton for a non guard.

Sexton has a reputation of being immature and difficult to coach. He's also about to get paid.

I personally wouldn't trade Herro for him.

[DayofMourning]

Thought this was an interesting comparison since many would probably drop a deuce if we got DMitch.

DMitch vs CSex

[carnageta]

I don't want Sexton or Donovan.


Gimmie Solomon Hill.

[contract]

We should trade for Ben Simmons. His first 4 years compare favorably to Jason Kidd's first 4 years. Sure-fire hall of famer.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

We should trade for Ben Simmons. His first 4 years compare favorably to Jason Kidd's first 4 years. Sure-fire hall of famer.

It not a bad comparison Kidd was hurt by his inability to shoot and teams played him in the half court similar to how they play Simmons but at least Kidd would still let them the shots fly. Simmons is broken mentally and I wont say with confidence that I think we could break that hold. Also Spo likes to hammer your strengths as a player and not really focus too much on developing a new skill set so it would be a lot of the same problems as Philly imo. But in a buy low situation(which is all we can afford) we should definitely get on the phone just to see.

Simmons should be Giannis lite but

[puppa bear]

We need Riley to swing two high-risk, high-reward, buy-low trades for players in need of a change of scenery or being shipped out by their teams.

My targets, assuming we get decent value:
Sexton
CJ
KP
Simmons

I would take gambles on the following players, if we get extra assets back:
Kemba
Westbrook
Wall
Love - though I’m not sold Jimmy won’t actually kill Love in a closed practice during preseason

Looking at those options, it may be in our best to swing a Secton/Love deal and flip Love for KP.

[3ballbomber]

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[HeatIn5]

Who says no?

Heat get - Kristaps, Sexton, JRich
Cavs get - Herro, Tyrell Terry, Dwight Powell and pick swaps
Mavs get - Love, Dragic, Iguodala


Sexton/Nunn/Vincent
Duncan/Ellington/Strus
Jimmy/JRich
Bam/Precious/KZ
Kristaps/Dedmon

[Dc__20]

Who says no?

Heat get - Kristaps, Sexton, JRich
Cavs get - Herro, Tyrell Terry, Dwight Powell and pick swaps
Mavs get - Love, Dragic, Iguodala


Sexton/Nunn/Vincent
Duncan/Ellington/Strus
Jimmy/JRich
Bam/Precious/KZ
Kristaps/Dedmon

Pretty good

[CanesHeatFins]

Thought this was an interesting comparison since many would probably drop a deuce if we got DMitch.

DMitch vs CSex

That's a great comparison right there. Prob is the same people who overvalued Bustise Kawhi Winslow, are doing the same thing with Tyler Booker Herro. They'd "drop a deuce" for today's version of DMitch and ZLavine, but wouldn't have traded away an inefficient Winslow to get them 4yrs ago. And it's not just the fans, sometimes it seems our management would rather overpay for a 33yo Colin Sexton, than trade for a 22yo Sexton. I will not get my hopes up. We're more likely to chase a trade for John Wall, than we are for a youngin like Sexton.

[puppa bear]

Who says no?

Heat get - Kristaps, Sexton, JRich
Cavs get - Herro, Tyrell Terry, Dwight Powell and pick swaps
Mavs get - Love, Dragic, Iguodala


Sexton/Nunn/Vincent
Duncan/Ellington/Strus
Jimmy/JRich
Bam/Precious/KZ
Kristaps/Dedmon

Cavs do, unless the pick swap is appealing for them.

Here’s where I think the real mess sits:
Cavs have their eye on Simmons,
Sixers have their eye on Lowry, and if the sweetener is enough might move on that for Simmons,
Raptors want a young piece that fits their core (FVV/OG/Pascal) - like Herro,
Heat want whales (or at least names Riley can convince himself is a whale that fits), but lucky the assets to do that without the players being reclamation projects, and
Mavs need to make Luka happy (& ideally move KP).

So I present to you:
CAVS get Simmons
SIXERS get Lowry (S&T)
RAPTORS get Herro/Iggy
HEAT get Sexton/KP
MAVS get Love/Dragic

I know it needs balancing with picks and a few minor assets.

[dean456]

Think Sexton is getting a bit overvalued here.

And I don't think Cleve would do the hypothetical swap for Herro but not for the same reasons that are being proposed.

With Garland already on their roster, bringing in Herro is redundant.

Also, it's entirely possible that Clev drafts a guard which would further motivate them to want to move Sexton for a non guard.

Sexton has a reputation of being immature and difficult to coach. He's also about to get paid.

I personally wouldn't trade Herro for him.

What makes you think that replacing 6'1 Sexton for 6'5 Herro to play next to the 6'1 Garland would be redundant? I'd say Garland and Herro are more complimentary players than Garland and Sexton are. Garland is a more natural fit at PG and Herro at SG. Sexton is a short combo guard but would play PG for just about every team. If Cleveland can get Herro then they wouldn't need to draft a guard. Plus Cleveland just drafted the SG Isaac Okoro last draft so doubt they'd be drafting a 4th young guard to add to their roster.

[RexBoyWonder]

Things I'm sure of :

1) Don't want to pay Nunn
2) Would take Sexton for Herro +
3) Would look to move Precious for a better fitting player on a rookie deal
4) Would rather get a more versatile player then Robinson if he cost more then 14 per. Unless we get a stud scoring PG. If not, S&T Duncan.
5) we need BIG CHANGES
6) We need Bam and Jimmy to start shooting
7) Spo need new assistants