Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[dc]

Sexton isn't a guy to build around, but he can be an effective player in the right situation.

Could easily see the guy in the current Reggie Jackson role right now. It'll probably be a contract year when he does it, but you get the point. I could see a lot of Reggie Jackson like games for Sexton down the line, but he's still not a guy you'd want to be giving a significant chunk of your cap space to.

[Nazrmohamed]

An article that discusses the merits of Cleveland trading or keeping him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/does-it-make-sense-for-the-cavaliers-to-trade-collin-sexton-terry-pluto.html%3foutputType=amp

I personally think with a top 3 pick and team construction they will lean to trade him.

I have heard from some that Sexton is actually the great potential fit for what Thibs likes at the point: attack the rim, run the pick and roll and keep pressure on the defense.

So is this the type of player with our teams construction that would help us take a big jump and/or help us bring in another star? Is he worth a max or is he the type of player that is not dynamic enough to be worth a max?

Well seeing as Thibs doesn't actually expect his PGs to pass out of the pick and roll I guess he should do just fine. SMH.

I actually wanted to draft him but that part just pisses me off.


Just a public service announcement. We shouldn't be after players that can fit into our offense cause our offense is trash. We SHOULD be finding players who fit our defense because it's the defense that is our culture. What we SHOULD be looking for from a player on offense is someone who changes the dynamic of how we play offense. One that forces you to change the playback itself.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

An article that discusses the merits of Cleveland trading or keeping him:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/does-it-make-sense-for-the-cavaliers-to-trade-collin-sexton-terry-pluto.html%3foutputType=amp

I personally think with a top 3 pick and team construction they will lean to trade him.

I have heard from some that Sexton is actually the great potential fit for what Thibs likes at the point: attack the rim, run the pick and roll and keep pressure on the defense.

So is this the type of player with our teams construction that would help us take a big jump and/or help us bring in another star? Is he worth a max or is he the type of player that is not dynamic enough to be worth a max?

Well seeing as Thibs doesn't actually expect his PGs to pass out of the pick and roll I guess he should do just fine. SMH.

I actually wanted to draft him but that part just pisses me off.


Just a public service announcement. We shouldn't be after players that can fit into our offense cause our offense is trash. We SHOULD be finding players who fit our defense because it's the defense that is our culture. What we SHOULD be looking for from a player on offense is someone who changes the dynamic of how we play offense. One that forces you to change the playback itself.

We'd need a new coach then, cause Thibs is going to continue to run his garbage offense regardless of who's on the team.

[aggo]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

[booyaka_jones]

I’m convinced this board hates seeing good players in a Knicks uniform

Bro the majority of this board really does hate any young kid that can score effectively/shoot. They’ll go ape over a good defender that can’t shoot though, every time like clockwork. It’s so funny to me honestly lol

[HarthorneWingo]

This isn't a draft, old man.

Yeah, no shyt Sherlock since both are presently NBA players. Besides, as an old man, I'm losing my filter and can say any fcking thing I want AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

Would you rather have Lavine?

LMBO, the joys of getting older

The older I get, the less fcks I give.

[Chanel Bomber]

Since the Knicks aren't ready to contend for a championship with any of the players they have, and since they can't afford to rebuild after their first playoff appearance in 8 years either, the best path to follow might be to target these young players on losing teams who have shown they can produce yet can't translate their production into wins (yet).

Sexton and Lavine could blossom in a better environment, and they still have upside based on their age.

Think of how Booker and Young were considered losers by many. These guys just needed to be coached and have good players around them.

[HarthorneWingo]

Since the Knicks aren't ready to contend for a championship with any of the players they have, and since they can't afford to rebuild after their first playoff appearance in 8 years either, the best path to follow might be to target these young players on losing teams who have shown they can produce yet can't translate their production into wins (yet).

Sexton and Lavine could blossom in a better environment, and they still have upside based on their age.

Think of how Booker and Young were considered losers by many. These guys just needed to be coached and have good players around them.

I never considered Sexton and/or Lavine to be in Booker's league. It just always seemed to me that Booker had the "it" quality about it. I'm not feeling that with the other two guys. But, that said, you can be perfectly right.

[HarthorneWingo]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

What did you hear? I knew there had to be another reason other than "He doesn't fit our timeline" which was obviously BS.

[booyaka_jones]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

What did you hear? I knew there had to be another reason other than "He doesn't fit our timeline" which was obviously BS.

You're mixing up SGA and Sexton rumors

[HarthorneWingo]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

What did you hear? I knew there had to be another reason other than "He doesn't fit our timeline" which was obviously BS.

You're mixing up SGA and Sexton rumors

Now I can see that about Sexton. But why would the Thunder want to put SGA on the market?

[mg]

Sexton is liked by his current teammates. Some of the vets during his rookie season notably JR Smith didn't like rookie Sexton coming in and handed a starting spot.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

He has zero off the court problems, he is selfish but doesn't seem to have any knucklehead type character issues. I think if people looked at him as a 2 in a PG's body a lot of the complaints about his game go out the window. If you're expecting playmaking and setting teammates up at a high level then he's not that guy, but as far as scoring efficiently he's one of the best under 23 players in the league. The problem is he's too small to be a 2, and the Cavs have Garland who is a real PG.

He's worth the risk, with maturity as he gets older & better coaching he could be a quality scorer on a good team. The right coach reaching him and he's a 20-25ppg guy on a good team, another thing is he tries, you can see he actually wants to win when he plays.


I think Kevin Love is probably the teammate that doesn't like him

[Meat]

You guys are funny. Have fun with a treadmill team if you think Sexton is a key piece to being a contender.

Guess you guys didn't learn from Carmelo situation.

is that like that at all? i mean those teams failed because the knicks didnt have guards... this is a guard

[knicksNOTslick]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

He has zero off the court problems, he is selfish but doesn't seem to have any knucklehead type character issues. I think if people looked at him as a 2 in a PG's body a lot of the complaints about his game go out the window. If you're expecting playmaking and setting teammates up at a high level then he's not that guy, but as far as scoring efficiently he's one of the best under 23 players in the league. The problem is he's too small to be a 2, and the Cavs have Garland who is a real PG.

He's worth the risk, with maturity as he gets older & better coaching he could be a quality scorer on a good team. The right coach reaching him and he's a 20-25ppg guy on a good team, another thing is he tries, you can see he actually wants to win when he plays.


I think Kevin Love is probably the teammate that doesn't like him

If he's not a real PG, then why go after him and give up assets we could use to get a real PG. We already have Quickley, who while he may not be in Sexton's level, is pretty good as a scoring guard and we don't give up anything.

I would honestly like to keep Rose and Quickley and look to upgrade the starting PG spot filled by Payton with a real PG who can make our starters better.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Isn’t he a bit of a head case?

Selfish, doesn’t pass, isn’t high iq player? Not liked by teammates?

He has zero off the court problems, he is selfish but doesn't seem to have any knucklehead type character issues. I think if people looked at him as a 2 in a PG's body a lot of the complaints about his game go out the window. If you're expecting playmaking and setting teammates up at a high level then he's not that guy, but as far as scoring efficiently he's one of the best under 23 players in the league. The problem is he's too small to be a 2, and the Cavs have Garland who is a real PG.

He's worth the risk, with maturity as he gets older & better coaching he could be a quality scorer on a good team. The right coach reaching him and he's a 20-25ppg guy on a good team, another thing is he tries, you can see he actually wants to win when he plays.


I think Kevin Love is probably the teammate that doesn't like him

If he's not a real PG, then why go after him and give up assets we could use to get a real PG. We already have Quickley, who while he may not be in Sexton's level, is pretty good as a scoring guard and we don't give up anything.

I would honestly like to keep Rose and Quickley and look to upgrade the starting PG spot filled by Payton with a real PG who can make our starters better.

You get him, and then focus on getting another playmaker at the 2 that can handle playmaking duties as well, which would give us 4 guys who could potentially run some offense between Sexton, SG-Playmaker, RJ and Randle. After what happened with the Hawks we need to think about building a team where there's no place for Trae to hide on defense, he got to take breaks cause Bullock was on the floor and couldn't do anything with the ball.

IQ isn't on the same planet as Sexton as a scorer, not even when Sexton was a old rookie, they aren't comparable. Sexton can get into the lane and finish at the rim, most of IQ's shot profile is from the 3 point line and almost nothing at the rim. There's only a 6 month age gap between them too, so is IQ going to close that gap? Probably not.

[cgmw]

Couple thoughts:

1) Don't underestimate how stupid Dan "Comic Sans" Gilbert is, who very well might over-value Obi Toppin for his "high flying" Dayton Flyer days;

2) The real question is Sexton's trade value around the league, but it can't hurt that Leon was his agent;

3) The most important issue would be the cap flexibility we'd retain after extending both Randle & Sexton. Assuming RJ sticks around and Mitch develops, would Leon still have the room to maneuver to add another star FA in 2022?

As far as I can see, Sexton is currently the best player available on the market and he fills a position of need on a realistic timeframe for our development schedule. A core foursome of Randle, Sexton, RJ, and Mitch would be solid AF.

[Adelheid]

This draft has tons of pgs and combo guards. Yet here we are, second-guessing on a guy who can put points on the scoreboard but has questionable teamplay and wanting the max...

[cgmw]

This draft has tons of pgs and combo guards. Yet here we are, second-guessing on a guy who can put points on the scoreboard but has questionable teamplay and wanting the max...

All due respect, what realm of reality are you in to think the Tom Thibodeau Knicks have patience to develop a mid-lotto PG?

Leon and Wes MUST make a move in the next 12 months before maxing Randle, and I'm sorry but their boss has no intention or patience for waiting another 3 years to develop a mid-lotto PG.

It's all well-and-good for fans to get hype about the draft, but these are the Knicks and nobody has ever cared about building through the draft and they still don't care. If the trade market yields a talent like Sexton, the Knicks will 100% attempt to make it happen.

[KnixtapeH20]

You guys are funny. Have fun with a treadmill team if you think Sexton is a key piece to being a contender.

Guess you guys didn't learn from Carmelo situation.

We failed with Melo bc we gutted our ENTIRE roster for him, STAT got hurt and could never stay healthy and we surrounded Melo with bums like Jared Jeffries.

These two things are not alike my man.