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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#141 » by Upperclass » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:50 pm

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Portland:
-Tobias Harris
-James Wiseman
-7th or 14th pick from Warriors
-28th pick from Philly

Philly:
-Damian Lillard
-Draymond Green
-Kevin Looney

Golden State:
-Ben Simmons
-Jusuf Nurkić
-PHI 2023 1st (top 3 protected, unprotected in 2024)


you must be a philly fan lol
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#142 » by Upperclass » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:50 pm

Imo, offer to Philly will be Wiggins, Pascal, #14, future 1st for Simmons and Shake; though they should realllly push for Maxey or Thybulle too. or Wiggins, Pascal #7 for Simmons/Maxey

Simmons would play small ball center/point Center and they would still need wing and guard help, since you cant expect Klay to come right back and be himself.

Flip Wiseman and Oubre to San Ant for Vassell, Gay and DeRozan if he'll take a smaller deal
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#143 » by and1GS » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:12 pm

I...think I'd have to strongly consider that deal? I think both sides would. I'm really not sold on two non scorers in the lineup for 30+ mpg, but we did make it work with Zaza or Bogut and Draymond (admittedly when Dray was scoring a bit more).
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#144 » by watch1958 » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:03 pm

and1GS wrote:I...think I'd have to strongly consider that deal? I think both sides would. I'm really not sold on two non scorers in the lineup for 30+ mpg, but we did make it work with Zaza or Bogut and Draymond (admittedly when Dray was scoring a bit more).
Also, we did okay with Draymond & Andre playing together. So something based around Wiggins + picks for Simmons would be okay. If not enough for Sixers, fair enough.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#145 » by ILOVEIT » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:56 pm

Upperclass wrote:Imo, offer to Philly will be Wiggins, Pascal, #14, future 1st for Simmons and Shake; though they should realllly push for Maxey or Thybulle too. or Wiggins, Pascal #7 for Simmons/Maxey

Simmons would play small ball center/point Center and they would still need wing and guard help, since you cant expect Klay to come right back and be himself.

Flip Wiseman and Oubre to San Ant for Vassell, Gay and DeRozan if he'll take a smaller deal


Ugh....just can't imagine Draymond and Simmons in the starting rotation. :(
Again....WHY do we have to be content with a front court that gives poor scoring and spacing?

IF we acquire Simmons Draymond has to be the traded piece iMO.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#146 » by ILOVEIT » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:59 pm

Man I would love to get Seth along with Simmons....:)
Draymond, #7, #14, re-signed Oubre for Simmons and Seth?
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#147 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:03 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Man I would love to get Seth along with Simmons....:)
Draymond, #7, #14, re-signed Oubre for Simmons and Seth?


Philly has fallen in love with Seth, I can't see them trading him. Plus, I remember when Seth said he didn't want to play with Steph, don't know if he still feels that way.
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Post#148 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:22 am

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Would you do Andrew Wiggins, the 7th pick, and 14th pick for Ben Simmons?
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#149 » by Ilovethebay » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:29 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:
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Would you do Andrew Wiggins, the 7th pick, and 14th pick for Ben Simmons?


I would. Don’t think Philly would though.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#150 » by mos_def » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:51 am

Yo...I'm so conflicted of trading Wiggins with his progress and defense. Like, klay ain't coming back until December yall. If we trade the picks plus Wiggins, we may be a worse shooting team then before. It's like it's screaming for Jessup to start, which I really don't want until I see him in the Bay

I'm thinking any 3way trade may be helped by Cleveland or Charlotte. Kevin Love pretty much wrote his ticket off team with his antics and Sexton has worn out his welcome with his teammates. I'm not a capologist but my money would be on Cleveland to help, but they aren't taking Wiggins back
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#151 » by Upperclass » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:17 am

cant give up 7 and 14 this year for him.. its too much and they need to take a draft chance on a guard or SF for depth
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#152 » by killmongrel » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:27 am

If the proposed trade is Wiggins and 7 and 14, you take that trade easy. Any scenario where you get to keep an asset like Wiseman, regardless of what you think of him, is a win if you add an all star like Simmons on the team regardless of fit. Like I said in the other thread, if it doesn't work, you can still get a haul for Simmons or trade Draymond for a role player. Or trade Wiseman. GS would have so many options. Simmons doesn't deserve a super star trade package. This would be just short of that.

In this scenario, we get to keep Poole, JTA, Looney, and still have the MLE to get a role player. Yes, it's worth it.

Get an Otto Porter Jr. in free agency and hope he takes the MLE. Sign vet minimum guys like Iguodala, Chriss, etc. Doesn't matter. Hope Jessup works out.

Steph/Klay/OPJ/Draymond/Simmons

Wiseman/Poole/Jessup/Iguodala/JTA/Looney/Chriss/Paschall/Lee
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#153 » by Chupchup » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:41 am

Well if we try to trade for Simmons. We should trade Wiseman for a prospect too. Simmons is more of a 4/5 . If we can play Looney and Dray, we should be ok with Simmons and Dray. Granted the hope is he can get back to at least 60% FT.

Dont think Simmons, Dray, and Wiseman will work.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#154 » by Currygoat » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:02 am

killmongrel wrote:If the proposed trade is Wiggins and 7 and 14, you take that trade easy. Any scenario where you get to keep an asset like Wiseman, regardless of what you think of him, is a win if you add an all star like Simmons on the team regardless of fit. Like I said in the other thread, if it doesn't work, you can still get a haul for Simmons or trade Draymond for a role player. Or trade Wiseman. GS would have so many options. Simmons doesn't deserve a super star trade package. This would be just short of that.

In this scenario, we get to keep Poole, JTA, Looney, and still have the MLE to get a role player. Yes, it's worth it.

Get an Otto Porter Jr. in free agency and hope he takes the MLE. Sign vet minimum guys like Iguodala, Chriss, etc. Doesn't matter. Hope Jessup works out.

Steph/Klay/OPJ/Draymond/Simmons

Wiseman/Poole/Jessup/Iguodala/JTA/Looney/Chriss/Paschall/Lee


Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond. I would rather have Wiggins then Simmons for this team. Only way Simmons fit if you trade Draymond for a stretch 4. Ben and Draymond can’t play together
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#155 » by killmongrel » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:04 am

Currygoat wrote:
killmongrel wrote:If the proposed trade is Wiggins and 7 and 14, you take that trade easy. Any scenario where you get to keep an asset like Wiseman, regardless of what you think of him, is a win if you add an all star like Simmons on the team regardless of fit. Like I said in the other thread, if it doesn't work, you can still get a haul for Simmons or trade Draymond for a role player. Or trade Wiseman. GS would have so many options. Simmons doesn't deserve a super star trade package. This would be just short of that.

In this scenario, we get to keep Poole, JTA, Looney, and still have the MLE to get a role player. Yes, it's worth it.

Get an Otto Porter Jr. in free agency and hope he takes the MLE. Sign vet minimum guys like Iguodala, Chriss, etc. Doesn't matter. Hope Jessup works out.

Steph/Klay/OPJ/Draymond/Simmons

Wiseman/Poole/Jessup/Iguodala/JTA/Looney/Chriss/Paschall/Lee


Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond
Add somebody else then. Or change the lineup. But the idea that the Warriors wouldn't jump at the chance to get Simmons at the cost of only Wiggins and the 7,14th pick is absurd. That's the topic of this thread. I wouldn't trade a super star package for Simmons. But in this scenario we're left with other options if the trade doesn't work out.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#156 » by Currygoat » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:09 am

killmongrel wrote:
Currygoat wrote:
killmongrel wrote:If the proposed trade is Wiggins and 7 and 14, you take that trade easy. Any scenario where you get to keep an asset like Wiseman, regardless of what you think of him, is a win if you add an all star like Simmons on the team regardless of fit. Like I said in the other thread, if it doesn't work, you can still get a haul for Simmons or trade Draymond for a role player. Or trade Wiseman. GS would have so many options. Simmons doesn't deserve a super star trade package. This would be just short of that.

In this scenario, we get to keep Poole, JTA, Looney, and still have the MLE to get a role player. Yes, it's worth it.

Get an Otto Porter Jr. in free agency and hope he takes the MLE. Sign vet minimum guys like Iguodala, Chriss, etc. Doesn't matter. Hope Jessup works out.

Steph/Klay/OPJ/Draymond/Simmons

Wiseman/Poole/Jessup/Iguodala/JTA/Looney/Chriss/Paschall/Lee


Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond
Add somebody else then. Or change the lineup. But the idea that the Warriors wouldn't jump at the chance to get Simmons at the cost of only Wiggins and the 7,14th pick is absurd. That's the topic of this thread. I wouldn't trade a super star package for Simmons. But in this scenario we're left with other options if the trade doesn't work out.

Only way Simmons fits on this team is if you trade Draymond or bring one of the bench. They both do the same thing. We would have no decent SF with this trade
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#157 » by Old_Blue » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:16 am

Currygoat wrote:
killmongrel wrote:
Currygoat wrote:
Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond
Add somebody else then. Or change the lineup. But the idea that the Warriors wouldn't jump at the chance to get Simmons at the cost of only Wiggins and the 7,14th pick is absurd. That's the topic of this thread. I wouldn't trade a super star package for Simmons. But in this scenario we're left with other options if the trade doesn't work out.

Only way Simmons fits on this team is if you trade Draymond or bring one of the bench. They both do the same thing. We would have no decent SF with this trade


I would think a lot of free agent wings might be interested in joining a team with not one but two pass first players in the starting lineup.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#158 » by Currygoat » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:21 am

Old_Blue wrote:
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killmongrel wrote: Add somebody else then. Or change the lineup. But the idea that the Warriors wouldn't jump at the chance to get Simmons at the cost of only Wiggins and the 7,14th pick is absurd. That's the topic of this thread. I wouldn't trade a super star package for Simmons. But in this scenario we're left with other options if the trade doesn't work out.

Only way Simmons fits on this team is if you trade Draymond or bring one of the bench. They both do the same thing. We would have no decent SF with this trade


I would think a lot of free agent wings might be interested in joining a team with not one but two pass first players in the starting lineup.


Please explain how two players that are known to purposely not shoot will fit on the same team? Draymond has the same issue as Simmons where we have to literally beg him to be more aggressive with his shot.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#159 » by killmongrel » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:21 am

Old_Blue wrote:
Currygoat wrote:
killmongrel wrote: Add somebody else then. Or change the lineup. But the idea that the Warriors wouldn't jump at the chance to get Simmons at the cost of only Wiggins and the 7,14th pick is absurd. That's the topic of this thread. I wouldn't trade a super star package for Simmons. But in this scenario we're left with other options if the trade doesn't work out.

Only way Simmons fits on this team is if you trade Draymond or bring one of the bench. They both do the same thing. We would have no decent SF with this trade


I would think a lot of free agent wings might be interested in joining a team with not one but two pass first players in the starting lineup.


Exactly. People here worrying about the fit, when we just brought in an all star at the cost of Wiggins(I do like him though) and 7,14 picks. Worry about the fit later. Warriors still have moves to make after this trade.
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Re: way too early Philly speculation 

Post#160 » by killmongrel » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:22 am

Currygoat wrote:
killmongrel wrote:
Currygoat wrote:
Lol step and Klay would have 0 spacing with that lineup. I wouldn’t even guard Simmons and Draymond
Add somebody else then. Or change the lineup. But the idea that the Warriors wouldn't jump at the chance to get Simmons at the cost of only Wiggins and the 7,14th pick is absurd. That's the topic of this thread. I wouldn't trade a super star package for Simmons. But in this scenario we're left with other options if the trade doesn't work out.

Only way Simmons fits on this team is if you trade Draymond or bring one of the bench. They both do the same thing. We would have no decent SF with this trade


So be it. Like I said, the team would have the opportunity to try it out.

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