Fake Trade Thread #3

Rays Pompadour · Post #1441 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:11 am

The latest scuttlebutt out of Miami is that the Heat are looking to trade Tyler Herro. I liked Herro over PJ in 2019, so maybe we could just swap those two? Or find a way to do a Monk sign-and-trade? I really don't see a way to make Hayward part of a deal without fiddling with Oladipo.

This kind of scenario probably isn't a fit for Miami, though, since they're aiming high. Herro is likely a package piece for something larger. Riley always seems to find a way. Still, I like Herro as a player and think he'd be a fine fit next to Melo.

Bassman · Post #1442 » by **Bassman** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:18 am

driveandkick wrote:
Soul Rebel wrote:I read that the Warriors are looking for another All-Star piece to add and could package #7 + Wiseman + Wiggins. Not sure if Hayward is the calibre of All-Star they are looking for, but the contracts definitely match up? With 7 +11 we could move into the top-3 and snag Green or Barnes while also landing our missing piece at center with Wiseman, who we really wanted last year.

To walk out of back-to-back drafts with LaMelo, Wiseman and Green would be Mitch Magic, for sure.

Is this fair value for both sides? It seems to favor us more and I would think the Ws are looking for more of a Dame/Tatum level of player.

Thoughts?

I can’t imagine they would do this but that would be an incredible haul.

I wonder if something like Hayward + 11 for Wiseman + 7 + Wiggins is more likely.

I would be shocked if they dealt all that for Hayward while swapping picks. Really? Hayward can help them but is he that important for next season to sacrifice your recent top pick and a higher pick this year? I’d do it in a flash myself.

JMAC3 · Post #1443 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:17 am

I was against Wiseman at 1 or 3 last year, but what about offering 11 straight up for him? I would probably do that in this years draft.

-Ian- · Post #1444 » by **-Ian-** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:06 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I was against Wiseman at 1 or 3 last year, but what about offering 11 straight up for him? I would probably do that in this years draft.

I'd do this but GSW probably won't

Chapelchilla · Post #1445 » by **Chapelchilla** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:14 pm

-Ian- wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I was against Wiseman at 1 or 3 last year, but what about offering 11 straight up for him? I would probably do that in this years draft.

I'd do this but GSW probably won't

PJ plus 11 for Wiseman would actually make sense for both teams

spankymoore7 · Post #1446 » by **spankymoore7** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:23 pm

Zero interest in trading PJ and 11 for Wiseman...much rather keep PJ and take Kai at 11

amcoolio · Post #1447 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:27 pm

Kai is like a less built Wiseman clone already.... no way I trade PJ and 11 for Wiseman

I would think about PJ for Wiseman if we take one of the big forwards at 11

cornchip · Post #1448 » by **cornchip** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:21 pm

Not only would I trade PJ and 11 for Wiseman, I'm not even sure why GSW wants to trade him unless it's for a superstar.

I just think if he stays healthy, he could be a really special player. Not only did his size translate to the NBA well but he has much better shooting touch than I thought he did. I'm not sure what Ayton does that Wiseman won't be able to do.

SWedd523 · Post #1449 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:53 am

There's no way you wouldn't trade PJ and a late lotto for Wiseman. Every team in the league would do that

Bassman · Post #1450 » by **Bassman** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:28 am

SWedd523 wrote:There's no way you wouldn't trade PJ and a late lotto for Wiseman. Every team in the league would do that

No doubt, which is why some of these projections are just not realistic. Wiseman is going nowhere, certainly not for anything suggested here so far.

A lot of NBA fans really have difficulty understanding the true value of their team’s assets. Young lottery picks within their first contract almost never get traded. Wiseman has far too much potential, at a difficult position to fill. Therefore his value is way over common relative comparable players. PJ had a nice rookie year, followed by an inconsistent second year. His relative value is lower as a result…just as Monk’s is low due to all the many issues/factors we’ve seen to date.

This is why our best trade option for a center is likely with a team ready for a change, like Indiana may be with Myles Turner. Turner probably gives us as much as we could realistically hope for in a center…if he is even truly available.

amcoolio · Post #1451 » by **amcoolio** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:50 am

SWedd523 wrote:There's no way you wouldn't trade PJ and a late lotto for Wiseman. Every team in the league would do that

What skills does Wiseman have that you would value more than PJ, even after PJ's disappointing year?

He's not a plus rebounder
He projects to be an average shot blocker
He's too slow to play defense in today's NBA
Seems like he prefers to play on the perimeter

Honestly I would rather go after the far cheaper Mo Bamba, or just sign Holmes, or just draft one of the centers at 11

JMAC3 · Post #1452 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:26 pm

I was listening to the Ringer Podcast and they said Wiseman would at best go 7/8th in this draft after seeing his rookie season. A few said he would go outside top 10 potentially.

That is why I brought it up, no way is he worth PJ and 11 though. Idk why the board is so down on PJ, dude would be playing major minutes on all the teams left in the playoffs.

Probably doesn’t make sense for Warriors just from a team building standpoint though because they already have 7/14. Unless they packaged the picks and the team trading for him would rather just another pick over Wiseman.

SWedd523 · Post #1453 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:12 pm

I'm not down on PJ at all. If anything, I'm one of the few guys who has been a steady supporter of his from the get-go, despite his issues this season.

That said. If the Warriors offer Wiseman for PJ and 11, there is absolutely no way you don't take that and smile.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1454 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:30 pm

I'm currently down on PJ. I'm even more down on Wiseman. I don't do that trade, and I definitely don't smile. By VORP Wiseman is the #50 guy in his draft class. By BPM he's #43. Even WS/48 he's #35.

Maybe he'll turn things around. Wiseman can rebound and has size. But it's looking likely that his small college sample was a mirage and that what he showed in AAU - which wasn't amazing - is more like who he really is.

JMAC3 · Post #1455 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:34 pm

Not sure it is ever good to trade away two lottery assets for a guy who has not proven anything, let alone after he underwhelmed to some degree.

I would probably do 11, but I am not tossing in anything else of value.

Post #1456 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:29 pm

Read on Twitter

Hmmm

Liver_Pooty · Post #1457 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:44 pm

yosemiteben wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmm

That seems like a lot to give up for Siakam

amcoolio · Post #1458 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:48 pm

If Golden State is willing to trade Wiseman after a year, what does that tell you about Wiseman?

Tells me he is a lot closer to Javale Mcgee than Chris Bosh

Rays Pompadour · Post #1459 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:55 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmm

That seems like a lot to give up for Siakam

The Hornets do not swim in these waters. Charlotte has nothing, including Hayward but excluding Ball, that is enticing enough to a contender-level team like Golden State to trade away valuable, young assets.

Post #1460 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm

Rays Pompadour wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmm

That seems like a lot to give up for Siakam

The Hornets do not swim in these waters. Charlotte has nothing, including Hayward but excluding Ball, that is enticing enough to a contender-level team like Golden State to trade away valuable, young assets.

Disagree - throw Wiggins in there and I think something involving Hayward becomes a lot more viable.

Steph, Klay, and Draymond are on the wrong side of 30 and this involves them dumping young assets, they are clearly going win now but those aren't top tier assets they're dangling.