Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[DJ_3_Ball]

Is the fanbase really trying to talk themselves that they're getting Dame?

I don't know if that's happening. I'd bet against it. The odds just say no. Plus, Dame has 3 years left on his contract. He's not a FA. Not sure the Mavs can offer POR anything, but if Dame wants out, he'll get out. If Dame did want to come to DAL to play for J Kidd & he respects Nico, then POR would have the really unenviable task of denying a loyal fan favorite, the best player in franchise history, his chosen destination. I feel like POR would have to figure it out.

What I'm more confident of is this spells good things for the Mavs in FA for the future. Jared Dudley tweeted the Mavs landing Nico Harrison would be huge. Said lots of teams have tried to hire him before. Woj later tweeted the same thing.

Players respect Nico a lot. Star players. J Kidd is very well respected too. Dame is co-signing this hire. Dudley too. I mean, at a certain point we have to stop seeing ghosts under the bed.

How the Dallas Mavericks look to star players around the league:

1) A legit Top 5 player in the league to win a championship with
2) A new GM everyone loves, Nico Harrison
3) Lots of cap space
4) A new head coach who's very popular with star players

Those 4 things right there check a lot of boxes for players. There's no real reason not to come to Dallas. It's just maybe we lose out to places like Miami, LA, BKN, etc. But LA & BKN are already stocked up with no cap space. NYK has space and so does MIA. Right now DAL is in that upper echelon of NBA franchises to compete for the top FAs & disgruntled superstar players.

[Absinthe]

Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Carlisle stay and for Nico to take Nelson’s place. Players might like Kidd, but he’s an awful coach.

[agentofatlas]

Is the fanbase really trying to talk themselves that they're getting Dame?

I don't know if that's happening. I'd bet against it. The odds just say no. Plus, Dame has 3 years left on his contract. He's not a FA. Not sure the Mavs can offer POR anything, but if Dame wants out, he'll get out. If Dame did want to come to DAL to play for J Kidd & he respects Nico, then POR would have the really unenviable task of denying a loyal fan favorite, the best player in franchise history, his chosen destination. I feel like POR would have to figure it out.

What I'm more confident of is this spells good things for the Mavs in FA for the future. Jared Dudley tweeted the Mavs landing Nico Harrison would be huge. Said lots of teams have tried to hire him before. Woj later tweeted the same thing.

Players respect Nico a lot. Star players. J Kidd is very well respected too. Dame is co-signing this hire. Dudley too. I mean, at a certain point we have to stop seeing ghosts under the bed.

How the Dallas Mavericks look to star players around the league:

1) A legit Top 5 player in the league to win a championship with
2) A new GM everyone loves, Nico Harrison
3) Lots of cap space
4) A new head coach who's very popular with star players

Those 4 things right there check a lot of boxes for players. There's no real reason not to come to Dallas. It's just maybe we lose out to places like Miami, LA, BKN, etc. But LA & BKN are already stocked up with no cap space. NYK has space and so does MIA. Right now DAL is in that upper echelon of NBA franchises to compete for the top FAs & disgruntled superstar players.

Well I believe it when it happens. If your right then expect the same off-seasons of trading servicable players for cap space and hoping not strike out in free agency. So basically what we've been doing since after 2011.

[JD45]

Is the fanbase really trying to talk themselves that they're getting Dame?

I don't know if that's happening. I'd bet against it. The odds just say no. Plus, Dame has 3 years left on his contract. He's not a FA. Not sure the Mavs can offer POR anything, but if Dame wants out, he'll get out. If Dame did want to come to DAL to play for J Kidd & he respects Nico, then POR would have the really unenviable task of denying a loyal fan favorite, the best player in franchise history, his chosen destination. I feel like POR would have to figure it out.

What I'm more confident of is this spells good things for the Mavs in FA for the future. Jared Dudley tweeted the Mavs landing Nico Harrison would be huge. Said lots of teams have tried to hire him before. Woj later tweeted the same thing.

Players respect Nico a lot. Star players. J Kidd is very well respected too. Dame is co-signing this hire. Dudley too. I mean, at a certain point we have to stop seeing ghosts under the bed.

How the Dallas Mavericks look to star players around the league:

1) A legit Top 5 player in the league to win a championship with
2) A new GM everyone loves, Nico Harrison
3) Lots of cap space
4) A new head coach who's very popular with star players

Those 4 things right there check a lot of boxes for players. There's no real reason not to come to Dallas. It's just maybe we lose out to places like Miami, LA, BKN, etc. But LA & BKN are already stocked up with no cap space. NYK has space and so does MIA. Right now DAL is in that upper echelon of NBA franchises to compete for the top FAs & disgruntled superstar players.

Looking forward to the DeMar Drozan era.

[DJ_3_Ball]

Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Carlisle stay and for Nico to take Nelson’s place. Players might like Kidd, but he’s an awful coach.

The average fan on this forum is what a White, Republican, age 35-60 with some overseas fans mixed in as well?

For some reason ya'll see Rick Carlisle as a great coach. I know that's his reputation around the league. In fact, a Haralabos tweet circa like 2009 is what first made me aware everyone thought Carlisle was a top 5 NBA coach.

Carlisle has pissed off numerous former Mavs, he has a huge ego, and this is a players league now; not a coach's league. That's the hard truth.

I think it's certainly plausible that having Carlisle as this team's coach has hurt us attracting FAs to Dallas. I'm glad he's gone. And I even agree Kidd is a terrible coach. If a second superstar comes to DAL to join Luka, it won't matter.

If the Mavs did acquire Dame, then you have Luka + Dame (I gotta think KP is moved in that deal to make salaries work), and then you have a third max slot you can offer. Some other star player is coming to fill that void. Someone like John Collins.

Luka + Dame + John Collins = Ringz

[Absinthe]

Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Carlisle stay and for Nico to take Nelson’s place. Players might like Kidd, but he’s an awful coach.

The average fan on this forum is what a White, Republican, age 35-60 with some overseas fans mixed in as well?

For some reason ya'll see Rick Carlisle as a great coach. I know that's his reputation around the league. In fact, a Haralabos tweet circa like 2009 is what first made me aware everyone thought Carlisle was a top 5 NBA coach.

Carlisle has pissed off numerous former Mavs, he has a huge ego, and this is a players league now; not a coach's league. That's the hard truth.

I think it's certainly plausible that having Carlisle as this team's coach has hurt us attracting FAs to Dallas. I'm glad he's gone. And I even agree Kidd is a terrible coach. If a second superstar comes to DAL to join Luka, it won't matter.

If the Mavs did acquire Dame, then you have Luka + Dame (I gotta think KP is moved in that deal to make salaries work), and then you have a third max slot you can offer. Some other star player is coming to fill that void. Someone like John Collins.

Luka + Dame + John Collins = Ringz

I don’t care what the league is now. The league is now composed of gutless cry babies who throw temper tantrums at the first sign of any adversity. And the league has been damaged due to it. Small town teams have no shot to compete when players start banding together and skipping town. It should have never been allowed to happen in the first place. Kidd better hope he surrounds himself with a lot of coaching talent or we’re going to be left with Tyron Lue—a guy who has stood around mouth agape with a confused face and has only been bailed because of the talent that surrounds him. Kidd won’t have that luxury. George and Leonard aren’t walking through that door.

Carlisle might be old fashioned and stubborn but he’s a top five coach. It’s not his fault that Cuban blew up the championship team. It’s not his fault that the front office made stupid trades like the Rondo trade. It’s not his fault that this franchise has whiffed on virtually every free agent worth their weight in salt. It’s not his fault Dirk’s last years were wasted on crappy teams. Carlisle can only coach what is front of him. Put Kidd on last year’s team as the head coach and does Dallas make the playoffs? I’m not so sure.

[Mr B]

Ideally, I would have liked to have seen Carlisle stay and for Nico to take Nelson’s place. Players might like Kidd, but he’s an awful coach.

The average fan on this forum is what a White, Republican, age 35-60 with some overseas fans mixed in as well?

For some reason ya'll see Rick Carlisle as a great coach. I know that's his reputation around the league. In fact, a Haralabos tweet circa like 2009 is what first made me aware everyone thought Carlisle was a top 5 NBA coach.

Carlisle has pissed off numerous former Mavs, he has a huge ego, and this is a players league now; not a coach's league. That's the hard truth.

I think it's certainly plausible that having Carlisle as this team's coach has hurt us attracting FAs to Dallas. I'm glad he's gone. And I even agree Kidd is a terrible coach. If a second superstar comes to DAL to join Luka, it won't matter.

If the Mavs did acquire Dame, then you have Luka + Dame (I gotta think KP is moved in that deal to make salaries work), and then you have a third max slot you can offer. Some other star player is coming to fill that void. Someone like John Collins.

Luka + Dame + John Collins = Ringz

I don’t care what the league is now. The league is now composed of gutless cry babies who throw temper tantrums at the first sign of any adversity. And the league has been damaged due to it. Small town teams have no shot to compete when players start banding together and skipping town. It should have never been allowed to happen in the first place. Kidd better hope he surrounds himself with a lot of coaching talent or we’re going to be left with Tyron Lue—a guy who has stood around mouth agape with a confused face and has only been bailed because of the talent that surrounds him. Kidd won’t have that luxury. George and Leonard aren’t walking through that door.

Carlisle might be old fashioned and stubborn but he’s a top five coach. It’s not his fault that Cuban blew up the championship team. It’s not his fault that the front office made stupid trades like the Rondo trade. It’s not his fault that this franchise has whiffed on virtually every free agent worth their weight in salt. It’s not his fault Dirk’s last years were wasted on crappy teams. Carlisle can only coach what is front of him. Put Kidd on last year’s team as the head coach and does Dallas make the playoffs? I’m not so sure.

No one is denying that Carlisle isn’t a great coach. His problem is that he’s a prick. He would literally go out of his way to be a prick. He’s not a players coach at all. That works for some guys like Dirk and Barea but his style isn’t for everyone. The Mavs have spent the last 13 years with a hardass for HC. It was time to try something else. Now maybe the Pacers are at a point where they need a hardass as a HC. I don’t follow them so I couldn’t tell you. If they are Carlisle will be a great fit. Just FYI he will rub a lot of people
the wrong way.


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[arkuo]

Kidd is no Carlisle when it comes to Xs and Os. But when you have a freewheeling Luka Doncic as a point guard, that makes up for the difference between the Xs and Os IMO.

[Mr B]

Kidd is no Carlisle when it comes to Xs and Os. But when you have a freewheeling Luka Doncic as a point guard, that makes up for the difference between the Xs and Os IMO.

If Nico, Finley, and Dirk can put a good team around Luka it might not matter that Kidd is not as good as Carlisle.


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[agentofatlas]

Kidd is no Carlisle when it comes to Xs and Os. But when you have a freewheeling Luka Doncic as a point guard, that makes up for the difference between the Xs and Os IMO.

That's the best case scenario imo. Just give Luka the ball and get out of the way. Probably a good thing that Luka isn't Giannis personality wise.

The only thing I see Kidd can implement is to get them to run more. But half court sets (outside of bench mins) should be purely on Luka.

[DrWood]

Kidd is no Carlisle when it comes to Xs and Os. But when you have a freewheeling Luka Doncic as a point guard, that makes up for the difference between the Xs and Os IMO.

That's the best case scenario imo. Just give Luka the ball and get out of the way. Probably a good thing that Luka isn't Giannis personality wise.

The only thing I see Kidd can implement is to get them to run more. But half court sets (outside of bench mins) should be purely on Luka.

That's the opposite of what Kidd will bring. Unless he just lets his assistants run things, Dallas's pace will slow down.
the ONLY thing he brings is an environment where misogyny is a goal. So he'll go to strip clubs with his players and model domestic violence.

[arkuo]

I'd leave the PR and imaging for Cuban to fix.

What I like about the move is Kidd being good at underhanded tactics. In this industry you gotta know how to work these things and not be too nice. Donnie and Carlisle have been straight as a ruler for a decade. I feel this Kidd and Harrison hiring knows how to get dirty when needed. You gotta tamper when you needed to talk to back channels for players. You gotta spill your drink if you need an accidental timeout. Complain all you want but these sneaky moves get stuff done in the league so I'll be observing how they get more talent on board.

[arkuo]

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This is interesting. Because we need a second scorer is different as we need another scorer.

And with Cuban saying it as such means he doesnt view THJ or KP as a second scorer. I'd be interested to know if the new regime lets THJ walk. No use paying $15 to $18M for a 3rd or 4th scorer who has bad games every 2 nights.

[arkuo]

If I were to analyze how Kidd, Cuban and Nico would start getting said second scorer to come on board now, my best bet would be Kidd starting with his natural market and inner circle. That would be through his agent Jeff Schwartz and thr Excel Sports Management firm.

Clients include:
John Collins
Kemba Walker
Harrrison Barnes
Kevin Love
Nikola Jokic
CJ McCollum

If the new regime does not see THJ as a second scorer based on what Cuban said, then they can S&T THJ and add future picks for one of those names now.

[arkuo]

Another interesting connection is how Nico Harrison is good friends with Aaron Goodwin. Goodwin used to be Lebron James first agent and he was the one who got him a $90M deal then with Nike. Got him a fat commission after that.

Who else does Aaron Goodwin represent today? Dame Lilard. Yup the connection is there and it's time to collect for favors.

Another thing to note is that Dame's shoe deal with adidas is only up to 2025. That means his camp is looking for suitors. Cuban can give him his NBA max salary, Nico can pull some strings to get him additonal zeroes on top of his NBA salary with a Nike deal.

[agentofatlas]

Kidd is no Carlisle when it comes to Xs and Os. But when you have a freewheeling Luka Doncic as a point guard, that makes up for the difference between the Xs and Os IMO.

That's the best case scenario imo. Just give Luka the ball and get out of the way. Probably a good thing that Luka isn't Giannis personality wise.

The only thing I see Kidd can implement is to get them to run more. But half court sets (outside of bench mins) should be purely on Luka.

That's the opposite of what Kidd will bring. Unless he just lets his assistants run things, Dallas's pace will slow down.
the ONLY thing he brings is an environment where misogyny is a goal. So he'll go to strip clubs with his players and model domestic violence.

Perfect for Luka then. He likes to slow the pace down. Mavs were already one of the slow pace teams in the league.

[HMFFL]

Apparently Cuban doesn't see KP as Doncic's nr2 option anymore, so Mavs are going to look for that type of player in the off season. They already had Curry who could do a lot of dmg even from the bench but they messed it up. I don't know how they will find a "star" just like that without trading KP and at the same time trying to keep THJ.

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I find it interesting that Cuban mentions this even if some GM's view KP as a #2 option. The GM's that do are now questioning themselves.



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[arkuo]

Apparently Cuban doesn't see KP as Doncic's nr2 option anymore, so Mavs are going to look for that type of player in the off season. They already had Curry who could do a lot of dmg even from the bench but they messed it up. I don't know how they will find a "star" just like that without trading KP and at the same time trying to keep THJ.

Read on Twitter

I find it interesting that Cuban mentions this even if some GM's view KP as a #2 option. The GM's that do are now questioning themselves.



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I think they are way past fixing KP's ego. At this point he is a trade chip to match Dame's huge $175M dalary coming back if he requests a trade. Cuban basically hired Dame's people. Hope it pays off.

Unless the Lakers can offer AD for Dame, their best offer is just Kuzma THT and fodder. KP + DFS easily makes the best package out there with $175M coming in. Not a lot of teams can unload that much with young talent to boot. KP is 25. Lillard is 31. But since Luka is ready to win now, I understand the reason to go all in now. Cuban betting all his chips.

[Mavrelous]

I think they are way past fixing KP's ego. At this point he is a trade chip to match Dame's huge $175M dalary coming back if he requests a trade. Cuban basically hired Dame's people. Hope it pays off.

This would be a punch below the waist to Portland and I love it
Ever since swindling the market with broadcast.com, Cuban didn't do anything to justify his shark reputation other than media appearances, if he pulls this off, he restores his reputation.