Hal’s Draft Thread

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Useless thread, pick 45 is 4/5 a bogus pick who will have zero minutes for us. I fully expect it to be thrown in with another deal.

Maybe you should try doing some research and checking out some of the guys who we could possibly take at 45 first before jumping to such negative conclusions.

Maybe check out some footage / scouting reports of some of these guys, most of them will be available at pick 45:

Joe Wieskamp
Moses Wright
Greg Brown
Isaiah Todd
Santi Aldama
Vrenz Bleijenbergh (a real person, not a bad Scrabble hand, lol)
Daiquan Gray
DJ Carton
Nah'Shon Hyland
Herb Jones
Kessler Edwards
Trendon Watford

The NBA's MVP this year was drafted in the 40's. Hall of famer Ginobili was drafted in the 50's. Duncan Robinson was undrafted, so was Bruce Bowen. You never know. This is a very deep draft..

I've seen more of these guys play in person than you've seen on YouTube. Next.

[Hal14]

Useless thread, pick 45 is 4/5 a bogus pick who will have zero minutes for us. I fully expect it to be thrown in with another deal.

Maybe you should try doing some research and checking out some of the guys who we could possibly take at 45 first before jumping to such negative conclusions.

Maybe check out some footage / scouting reports of some of these guys, most of them will be available at pick 45:

Joe Wieskamp
Moses Wright
Greg Brown
Isaiah Todd
Santi Aldama
Vrenz Bleijenbergh (a real person, not a bad Scrabble hand, lol)
Daiquan Gray
DJ Carton
Nah'Shon Hyland
Herb Jones
Kessler Edwards
Trendon Watford

The NBA's MVP this year was drafted in the 40's. Hall of famer Ginobili was drafted in the 50's. Duncan Robinson was undrafted, so was Bruce Bowen. You never know. This is a very deep draft..

I've seen more of these guys play in person than you've seen on YouTube. Next.

Guess you need a new pair of glasses then

Funny that you've apparently seen them all play in person but you've shown literally zero knowledge about any of them in this thread, LOL. You would think if you're such a big shot who's seen them all in person and you're gonna make some big statement like "they'll see zero minutes for us" that perhaps you might provide some type of actual analysis, breakdown of what you've seen from these players that makes you think that. you'd think that this almighty superhuman who has somehow seen these guys play in person during a pandemic when most college arenas aren's allowing fans (wow you must really be a VIP to get into those arenas, lol) would be able to provide some insight into these players rather than just some lame "they won't play a minute for us" statement..

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Maybe you should try doing some research and checking out some of the guys who we could possibly take at 45 first before jumping to such negative conclusions.

Maybe check out some footage / scouting reports of some of these guys, most of them will be available at pick 45:

Joe Wieskamp
Moses Wright
Greg Brown
Isaiah Todd
Santi Aldama
Vrenz Bleijenbergh (a real person, not a bad Scrabble hand, lol)
Daiquan Gray
DJ Carton
Nah'Shon Hyland
Herb Jones
Kessler Edwards
Trendon Watford

The NBA's MVP this year was drafted in the 40's. Hall of famer Ginobili was drafted in the 50's. Duncan Robinson was undrafted, so was Bruce Bowen. You never know. This is a very deep draft..

I've seen more of these guys play in person than you've seen on YouTube. Next.

Guess you need a new pair of glasses then

Funny that you've apparently seen them all play in person but you've shown literally zero knowledge about any of them in this thread, LOL. You would think if you're such a big shot who's seen them all in person and you're gonna make some big statement like "they'll see zero minutes for us" that perhaps you might provide some type of actual analysis, breakdown of what you've seen from these players that makes you think that. you'd think that this almighty superhuman who has somehow seen these guys play in person during a pandemic when most college arenas aren's allowing fans (wow you must really be a VIP to get into those arenas, lol) would be able to provide some insight into these players rather than just some lame "they won't play a minute for us" statement..

No thanks,, I'm not gonna write novels about a measly 45th pick like some people.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Oh, and if you think watching players during a pandemic college season is the only sample people go by, you're a fool. Theres this other body of work called high-school you may want to look into.

[Hal14]

Oh, and if you think watching players during a pandemic college season is the only sample people go by, you're a fool. Theres this other body of work called high-school you may want to look into.

they're not in high school anymore, lol. Their most recent season is most important.

Some of these guys are 22 years old. So you have credibility because you maybe saw 1 of them play when they were 15?

[Hal14]

I've seen more of these guys play in person than you've seen on YouTube. Next.

Guess you need a new pair of glasses then

Funny that you've apparently seen them all play in person but you've shown literally zero knowledge about any of them in this thread, LOL. You would think if you're such a big shot who's seen them all in person and you're gonna make some big statement like "they'll see zero minutes for us" that perhaps you might provide some type of actual analysis, breakdown of what you've seen from these players that makes you think that. you'd think that this almighty superhuman who has somehow seen these guys play in person during a pandemic when most college arenas aren's allowing fans (wow you must really be a VIP to get into those arenas, lol) would be able to provide some insight into these players rather than just some lame "they won't play a minute for us" statement..

No thanks,, I'm not gonna write novels about a measly 45th pick like some people.

Then stay out of the thread.

[return2glory]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10006514-nba-combine-results-2021-friday-scrimmage-highlights-and-top-prospects

3 players I like for us with the 45th pick all had good showings today. Sims, who I've been high on since the tourny and same with Wieskamp. The 3rd person was Grimes, who also had good moments in the tournament.

Wieskamp had 26 and 10 rebounds, while shooting 6-7 from 3s.

Jericho Sims had 18 points and they are raving about his pick and role defense. This is a guy I mentioned a few days about that can guard the 3, 4 and 5 and can stay with guards on pick and rolls. He doesn't have a jumper but he would automatically be our best athlete and defense from day 1. 6'10, with a 7'3 wing span and can gym out of the gym and has great quickness.

I wish one of these 3 were available for us at 45 and we got one of them. Would love to get both Wieskamp and Sims. Both are really good in a deep draft. We need to move on from Semi, Waters, Edwards, and Grant. I hope Carsen can catch on with another team where he is a better fit. In Boston, we tried to turn a 5'11 guy into a SG and paired him up with a 5'10 Waters. Hopefully those days are over.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Oh, and if you think watching players during a pandemic college season is the only sample people go by, you're a fool. Theres this other body of work called high-school you may want to look into.

they're not in high school anymore, lol. Their most recent season is most important.

Some of these guys are 22 years old. So you have credibility because you maybe saw 1 of them play when they were 15?

Yes some of them are 22, some are 18, I've seen the older kids quite a bit, and the younger ones certainly less because of the pandemic. I'm happy to discuss the 2022 draft, that's what I'm personally working on currently.

Also, you are a sad, sad, little man. It will be tough for you when Yam barely plays any minutes, I am looking forward to seeing what you have to say about it. Get a life.

[return2glory]

Oh, and if you think watching players during a pandemic college season is the only sample people go by, you're a fool. Theres this other body of work called high-school you may want to look into.

Come on LBF, you are too good of a poster to act like someone like the poster than left a year ago and recently came back and got banned. He added nothing to this forum and put the form down and insulted people.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Oh, and if you think watching players during a pandemic college season is the only sample people go by, you're a fool. Theres this other body of work called high-school you may want to look into.

Come on LBF, you are too good of a poster to act like someone like the poster than left a year ago and recently came back and got banned. He added nothing to this forum and put the form down and insulted people.

Well said. I'm not sure who you're referencing, but I shouldn't let someone like Hal rile me up.

[GoGreen]

This feels like a draft that doesn't have a clear cut #1 but could have some solid roleplayers and starters here and there.

[return2glory]

For a second rounder I think best value is in a scorer or a shooter.

I would love to get:

Max Abmas
Nah'shon Hyland
Mathew Hurt
johnny Juzang
DJ Steward
Quentin Grimes

Unless someone drops and they try to trade up.

How about Kessler Edwards? Good size (6'8" and 7' wingspan). 38% 3pt avg, and 88% FT avg.

Watch on YouTube

Edwards is good. I think he will go before 45.

As far as Juzang, I think he will be a late 1st round, early 2nd round.

[return2glory]

This feels like a draft that doesn't have a clear cut #1 but could have some solid roleplayers and starters here and there.

I think Cade is the clear cut # 1. But this is a loaded draft. I agree there are going to be a lot of solid role players, even in the 2nd round. It's a deep draft. I should be one of those drafts where some guys in the 2nd round will end up being better than some players that are selected in the top 15.

[Hal14]

you are a sad, sad, little man. Get a life.

Imagine saying that to a stranger on the internet...on a Friday night, lol

[Hal14]

This feels like a draft that doesn't have a clear cut #1 but could have some solid roleplayers and starters here and there.

I think Cade is the clear cut # 1. But this is a loaded draft. I agree there are going to be a lot of solid role players, even in the 2nd round. It's a deep draft. I should be one of those drafts where some guys in the 2nd round will end up being better than some players that are selected in the top 15.

Exactly.

It's funny. The guys we were analyzing before when we had the 16th pick (Garuba, Prkacin, Kai Jones, Springer, Ziaire Williams, Isaiah Jackson, etc.) and now we are finding out that there's not that much difference between a guy like Springer (top 16 pick) and DJ Carton or Nah'Shon Hyland (in the 45 range), and not much difference between Prkacin (possibly top 16 pick) and Aldama (in the 45 range), and not much difference between Garuba (top 16) and someone like Moses Wright or Raiquan Gray (45 range), and not much difference between someone like Korey Kispert (top 16 pick) and Joe Wieskamp (45 range), oh and not much difference between someone like jalen Johnson, Ziaire Williams (top 16 guys) and Herbert Jones (45 range)..

[winsomme2]

Useless thread, pick 45 is 4/5 a bogus pick who will have zero minutes for us. I fully expect it to be thrown in with another deal.

Second round picks are a very cost effective way to add talent to a roster. I think they are super valuable.

All you have to do is look at this current playoff run to see the value. I would love to have a Terrance Mann, Dillon Brooks, Shake Milton, Bruce Brown, Xavier Tillman. These are the exact types of players who help solidify a roster.

Plus, most draft experts are calling this one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. I wish we had gotten ourselves up into the 30s but there definitely are going to be interesting prospects available at 45.

[ParticleMan]

second round picks very rarely contribute much in their first couple of years. if they were ready to contribute sooner they wouldn't be second rounders. guys who are 2nd rounders who end up being valuable usually bounced around a bunch first. that's the problem with drafting 2nd rounders, you do all the development work and then they leave and turn into solid players in their 7th year or whatever. not useful for us.

[Curmudgeon]

The kid from Pepperdine looks like a keeper to me. He can follow in the footsteps of Dennis Johnson, who was the 46th pick in the 1974 draft.

[playa-hater]

New addition

possibly the highest level shooter remaining with enough size defensive versatility IMO.

Agreed. We continue to see eye to eye in this thread.

I am really liking Wieskamp. The dude can flat out shoot. 46% from 3 playing in a good league, the Big 10, at age 21 - and he can score at the rim too, through contact. Seems to really play his a&& off. I actually like the fact that he's a junior and 21. Means he's more developed and less raw than these 18/19 year old kids since this celtics team wants to win now and have guys ready to play today rather than having all these kids who are development projects, while at the same time still has a bigger window to keep developing/improving than these 22 year old seniors.

Like you, I also have Roko and Thor up there, but being realistic it seems highly unlikely they will still be there at 45. I like you're optimism though!

I'm checking our Herb Jones for the first time now and really liking what I see. Dude was SEC Player of the Year and SEC Defensive Player of the Year - how is he not ranked higher? 2 biggest things standing out to me in this video:

1) Really smooth. The way he plays, the decisions he makes on the court, seems very smooth/natural/effortless.
2) Very much a swiss army knife type guy, love his all-around game. Dude can handle the ball, he can rebound, he can block shots, shoot from 3, he's got a mid range game, he can finish at the rim, plays good D and makes good passes. Dude has got to be one of the better all around players in this draft. Has size and athleticism too. Only downside I'm seeing is good not great shooter (35% from 3 and that's as a 22 year old senior so unlikely to improve much on that) and since he's 22 there's less room for development but still he could keep improve for his first couple years in the NBA and again, we're trying to win now so we want a more ready-product rather than a development project who is raw anyways.

Watch on YouTube

will be checking out Herb Jones tonight.

[playa-hater]

In the "way too early category" from the other thread - "If Rob Williams is traded", does come true, it opens up the potential for Boston to nab some of the many RD2 Big-men that may be still around at 45.

"heads spinning"