2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[TerrenceClarke]

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[TerrenceClarke]

NBA DraftNet has a pretty good realistic mock for us.

#19) Bones Hyland

#21) Cameron Thomas

#32) Isaiah Jackson

#58) Feron Hunt

My top two fave players at our spots Bones and Cam would be to good to be true. Shot making galore

[Zenzibar]

We need to keep the 32 if we're trading the 19 and 21, it's like having a 3rd first rounder.


And we need to be keeping as much talent as possible, Thibs should not have too much say on the roster, we saw what he did in Minn.

All Thibs is doing with us is coaching at a high level only, forget Minny that's history.

But I agree, moving to, let's say the 12 spot should cost us 2 firsts and we keep 32 for a backup 5 or G-league stash.

I know it’s not the best assets, but I wonder how far up 19, Mavs 2023, and 32 could get us?

In my opinion, that 2023 is going to be another value pick since the high schoolers are also coming into the draft.
Unless, the Bulls come calling for a possible Lavine trade, I'll say that our 2 first rounders will get us close to that San Antonio spot @ 12.

[WargamesX]

All Thibs is doing with us is coaching at a high level only, forget Minny that's history.

But I agree, moving to, let's say the 12 spot should cost us 2 firsts and we keep 32 for a backup 5 or G-league stash.

I know it’s not the best assets, but I wonder how far up 19, Mavs 2023, and 32 could get us?

In my opinion, that 2023 is going to be another value pick since the high schoolers are also coming into the draft.
Unless, the Bulls come calling for a possible Lavine trade, I'll say that our 2 first rounders will get us close to that San Antonio spot @ 12.

That to me would be the ideal trade. Move up to the end of the lottery with our extra assets and try to get a high level guy who they think won’t slip to 19 (Johnson, Bouknight, or Zaire) and then keep pick #21 to take either Butler or Springer.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Sam Vecenie latest mock:

DET - Cade Cunningham

HOU - Evan Mobley

CLE - Jalen Green

TOR - Jalen Suggs

ORL - Jon Kuminga

OKC - Scottie Barnes

GS - James Bouknight

ORL - Josh Giddey

SAC - Keon Johnson

NOP - Franz Wagner

CHA - Moses Moody

SA - Alperen Sengun

IND - Davion Mitchell

GS - Usman Garuba

WAS - Corey Kispert

OKC - Kai Jones

MEM - Ziaire Williams

OKC - Cam Thomas

NYK - Isaiah Jackson

ATL - Sharife Cooper

NYK - Jalen Johnson

LAL - Chris Duarte

HOU - Trey Murphy

HOU - Tre Mann

LAC - Jaden Springer

DEN - Greg Brown

BRK - Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

PHI - Miles McBride

PHX - Day'Ron Sharpe

UTA - Ayo Dosunmu


Second Round

\31. MIL - Jared Butler

\32. NYK - Herb Jones

\33. ORL - Josh Christopher

\34. NO - BJ Boston

\35. OKC - Roko Prkacin

\36. OKC - Josh Primo

\37. DET - Bones Hyland

\38. CHI - Marcus Bagley

\39. SAC - Kessler Edwards

\40. NO - Terrence Shannon

\41. SA - Rokas Jokubaitis

\42. DET - Joel Ayayi

\43. NO - Filip Petrusev

\44. BRK - Aaron Henry

\45. BOS - Austin Reeves

\46. TOR - Luka Garza

\47. TOR - Charles Bassey

\48. ATL - David Johnson

\49. BRK - Sandro Mamukelashvili

\50. PHL - Carlos Alocen

\51. MEM - JT Thor

\52. DET - Isaiah Todd

\53. NO - Joe Wieskamp

\54. IND - David Duke

\55. OKC - Neemias Queta

\56. CHA - Moses Wright

\57. CHA - Daishen Nix

\58. NYK - Matthew Hurt

\59. BRK - RaiQuan Gray

\60. IND - Quentin Grimes

yeah our biggest needs are totally another big and a power forward that pretty much plays the same style as our best player.

[Phish Tank]

Sam Vecenie latest mock:

DET - Cade Cunningham

HOU - Evan Mobley

CLE - Jalen Green

TOR - Jalen Suggs

ORL - Jon Kuminga

OKC - Scottie Barnes

GS - James Bouknight

ORL - Josh Giddey

SAC - Keon Johnson

NOP - Franz Wagner

CHA - Moses Moody

SA - Alperen Sengun

IND - Davion Mitchell

GS - Usman Garuba

WAS - Corey Kispert

OKC - Kai Jones

MEM - Ziaire Williams

OKC - Cam Thomas

NYK - Isaiah Jackson

ATL - Sharife Cooper

NYK - Jalen Johnson

LAL - Chris Duarte

HOU - Trey Murphy

HOU - Tre Mann

LAC - Jaden Springer

DEN - Greg Brown

BRK - Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

PHI - Miles McBride

PHX - Day'Ron Sharpe

UTA - tAyo Dosunmu


Second Round

\31. MIL - Jared Butler

\32. NYK - Herb Jones

\33. ORL - Josh Christopher

\34. NO - BJ Boston

\35. OKC - Roko Prkacin

\36. OKC - Josh Primo

\37. DET - Bones Hyland

\38. CHI - Marcus Bagley

\39. SAC - Kessler Edwards

\40. NO - Terrence Shannon

\41. SA - Rokas Jokubaitis

\42. DET - Joel Ayayi

\43. NO - Filip Petrusev

\44. BRK - Aaron Henry

\45. BOS - Austin Reeves

\46. TOR - Luka Garza

\47. TOR - Charles Bassey

\48. ATL - David Johnson

\49. BRK - Sandro Mamukelashvili

\50. PHL - Carlos Alocen

\51. MEM - JT Thor

\52. DET - Isaiah Todd

\53. NO - Joe Wieskamp

\54. IND - David Duke

\55. OKC - Neemias Queta

\56. CHA - Moses Wright

\57. CHA - Daishen Nix

\58. NYK - Matthew Hurt

\59. BRK - RaiQuan Gray

\60. IND - Quentin Grimes

yeah our biggest needs are totally another big and a power forward that pretty much plays the same style as our best player.

yeah.... I'd go Cooper & Duarte instead. If we were to keep 3 rooks in an unexpected situation, I'd trade up from 32 to draft Ayo.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Sam Vecenie latest mock:

DET - Cade Cunningham

HOU - Evan Mobley

CLE - Jalen Green

TOR - Jalen Suggs

ORL - Jon Kuminga

OKC - Scottie Barnes

GS - James Bouknight

ORL - Josh Giddey

SAC - Keon Johnson

NOP - Franz Wagner

CHA - Moses Moody

SA - Alperen Sengun

IND - Davion Mitchell

GS - Usman Garuba

WAS - Corey Kispert

OKC - Kai Jones

MEM - Ziaire Williams

OKC - Cam Thomas

NYK - Isaiah Jackson

ATL - Sharife Cooper

NYK - Jalen Johnson

LAL - Chris Duarte

HOU - Trey Murphy

HOU - Tre Mann

LAC - Jaden Springer

DEN - Greg Brown

BRK - Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

PHI - Miles McBride

PHX - Day'Ron Sharpe

UTA - tAyo Dosunmu


Second Round

\31. MIL - Jared Butler

\32. NYK - Herb Jones

\33. ORL - Josh Christopher

\34. NO - BJ Boston

\35. OKC - Roko Prkacin

\36. OKC - Josh Primo

\37. DET - Bones Hyland

\38. CHI - Marcus Bagley

\39. SAC - Kessler Edwards

\40. NO - Terrence Shannon

\41. SA - Rokas Jokubaitis

\42. DET - Joel Ayayi

\43. NO - Filip Petrusev

\44. BRK - Aaron Henry

\45. BOS - Austin Reeves

\46. TOR - Luka Garza

\47. TOR - Charles Bassey

\48. ATL - David Johnson

\49. BRK - Sandro Mamukelashvili

\50. PHL - Carlos Alocen

\51. MEM - JT Thor

\52. DET - Isaiah Todd

\53. NO - Joe Wieskamp

\54. IND - David Duke

\55. OKC - Neemias Queta

\56. CHA - Moses Wright

\57. CHA - Daishen Nix

\58. NYK - Matthew Hurt

\59. BRK - RaiQuan Gray

\60. IND - Quentin Grimes

yeah our biggest needs are totally another big and a power forward that pretty much plays the same style as our best player.

yeah.... I'd go Cooper & Duarte instead. If we were to keep 3 rooks in an unexpected situation, I'd trade up from 32 to draft Ayo.

I'd probably do Mann instead of Cooper but this mock doesn't make that much sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be shocked if we went with a big with one of our picks(if we keep them all) cuz I don't think the brain trust wants to pay Mitch but Johnson is a real head scratcher. We barely had minutes for Obi last year and he was Randle's back up. We certainly don't have minutes for another 4. This probably shouldn't annoying me as much as it does cuz it's most likely not going to happen but for subscription based journalism I expect better.

[Zenzibar]

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[mrpoetryNmotion]

How much better is Bouknight than Josh Christopher, really? I haven't watched too many games of them but they appear quite similar and I don't know why you would trade up for Bouknight when Christopher could be had possibly as late as 32.

I certainly understand that Thibs is not going to play all these rookies, and thus perhaps it makes sense to trade up, but if you're not getting into the top 4 (and we're not) it makes no real sense to trade up from a value perspective in my opinion.

My other take is that I'm high on Cooper. For picks 19/21, you're really not expecting these guys to be players, but if I'm taking someone, I want someone with elite skills or deeper perceived potential and Cooper's ability to create open shots would work wonders for our stagnant iso-centric offense. He would just need to work on that outside shot.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Does Bones remind anyone else of Swae Lee?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Someone talk me out of Kai Jones.

I'm thinking of all the recent foreign guys who started playing basketball late and how they've turned out in the NBA and it seems to have a very high success rate. For example, Embiid, Siakam, Giannis and Ayton all started playing basketball around the same age range. They all started between 12-15 years old which is late compared to most American players, I guess it causes them to work harder to close the gap and they're more prone to taking suggestions maybe? Either way, Kai is a phenomenal blank sheet of paper to work with, and in terms of swing for the fences type pick he has to be pretty high up there.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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sounds like we'll get some cooper highlights a little later in the day

[3toheadmelo]

Someone talk me out of Kai Jones.

I'm thinking of all the recent foreign guys who started playing basketball late and how they've turned out in the NBA and it seems to have a very high success rate. For example, Embiid, Siakam, Giannis and Ayton all started playing basketball around the same age range. They all started between 12-15 years old which is late compared to most American players, I guess it causes them to work harder to close the gap and they're more prone to taking suggestions maybe? Either way, Kai is a phenomenal blank sheet of paper to work with, and in terms of swing for the fences type pick he has to be pretty high up there.

Ive brought him up as a replacement for Mitch. I don’t know if the Knicks will want to be patient with Kai though

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Someone talk me out of Kai Jones.

I'm thinking of all the recent foreign guys who started playing basketball late and how they've turned out in the NBA and it seems to have a very high success rate. For example, Embiid, Siakam, Giannis and Ayton all started playing basketball around the same age range. They all started between 12-15 years old which is late compared to most American players, I guess it causes them to work harder to close the gap and they're more prone to taking suggestions maybe? Either way, Kai is a phenomenal blank sheet of paper to work with, and in terms of swing for the fences type pick he has to be pretty high up there.

Ive brought him up as a replacement for Mitch. I don’t know if the Knicks will want to be patient with Kai though

I hate how impatient our front office & coaching staff appear to be, they're like a gambler trying to get it all back in one night. I'm interested in him in the short term as a smallball 5 off the bench, that would give us blinding steam speed in the frontcourt off the bench, and his potential as a switchable defender is sky high.

[Phish Tank]

Someone talk me out of Kai Jones.

I'm thinking of all the recent foreign guys who started playing basketball late and how they've turned out in the NBA and it seems to have a very high success rate. For example, Embiid, Siakam, Giannis and Ayton all started playing basketball around the same age range. They all started between 12-15 years old which is late compared to most American players, I guess it causes them to work harder to close the gap and they're more prone to taking suggestions maybe? Either way, Kai is a phenomenal blank sheet of paper to work with, and in terms of swing for the fences type pick he has to be pretty high up there.

Mitch & Amare started playing basketball pretty late too - I think both around 14 or so.

Hakeem started at 15 and he turned into an all-time great. Duncan too, but they both were excellent athletes in different sports (soccer, swimming)

[3toheadmelo]

Someone talk me out of Kai Jones.

I'm thinking of all the recent foreign guys who started playing basketball late and how they've turned out in the NBA and it seems to have a very high success rate. For example, Embiid, Siakam, Giannis and Ayton all started playing basketball around the same age range. They all started between 12-15 years old which is late compared to most American players, I guess it causes them to work harder to close the gap and they're more prone to taking suggestions maybe? Either way, Kai is a phenomenal blank sheet of paper to work with, and in terms of swing for the fences type pick he has to be pretty high up there.

Ive brought him up as a replacement for Mitch. I don’t know if the Knicks will want to be patient with Kai though

I hate how impatient our front office & coaching staff appear to be, they're like a gambler trying to get it all back in one night. I'm interested in him in the short term as a smallball 5 off the bench, that would give us blinding steam speed in the frontcourt off the bench, and his potential as a switchable defender is sky high.

What’s your thoughts on Bones Hyland

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Ive brought him up as a replacement for Mitch. I don’t know if the Knicks will want to be patient with Kai though

I hate how impatient our front office & coaching staff appear to be, they're like a gambler trying to get it all back in one night. I'm interested in him in the short term as a smallball 5 off the bench, that would give us blinding steam speed in the frontcourt off the bench, and his potential as a switchable defender is sky high.

What’s your thoughts on Bones Hyland

I thought he looked great in the scrimmage, he's not the same level of athlete but the way he's built and how he moves reminds me of Gilbert Arenas. My questions with him are can he get to the rim at the NBA level? I wish he played in a better conference so we could get a better idea of what he looks like going against big wings, but my thought process is that it's less risky to take guards from weak conferences than it would be if he were a big.

If we drafted him, we'd probably have to move IQ, you're not going anywhere with a two small guard backcourt.

[DOT]

yeah our biggest needs are totally another big and a power forward that pretty much plays the same style as our best player.

yeah.... I'd go Cooper & Duarte instead. If we were to keep 3 rooks in an unexpected situation, I'd trade up from 32 to draft Ayo.

I'd probably do Mann instead of Cooper but this mock doesn't make that much sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be shocked if we went with a big with one of our picks(if we keep them all) cuz I don't think the brain trust wants to pay Mitch but Johnson is a real head scratcher. We barely had minutes for Obi last year and he was Randle's back up. We certainly don't have minutes for another 4. This probably shouldn't annoying me as much as it does cuz it's most likely not going to happen but for subscription based journalism I expect better.

I think we definitely get a big with one of our picks, cause we're likely gonna let Noel walk, and we probably don't want to rely on Mitch/Taj for a whole 82 games. I think Isaiah Jackson works as a Noel replacement. Tall, skinny, jumpy, gets a lot of blocks, went to Kentucky, etc

Then I think wing is more of a need than PG, cause you think we're going after a starting PG in free agency, and we're not likely to find a starting caliber guy at 19, so we'd have to run out lineups of Quick/19/Rose, which is too small. Unless we don't plan on bringing Rose back, but I expect we do

God, I just had a nightmare. Imagine we strike out on all the starting caliber guys and think running it back with Elf is a good idea.

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[3toheadmelo]

I hate how impatient our front office & coaching staff appear to be, they're like a gambler trying to get it all back in one night. I'm interested in him in the short term as a smallball 5 off the bench, that would give us blinding steam speed in the frontcourt off the bench, and his potential as a switchable defender is sky high.

What’s your thoughts on Bones Hyland

I thought he looked great in the scrimmage, he's not the same level of athlete but the way he's built and how he moves reminds me of Gilbert Arenas. My questions with him are can he get to the rim at the NBA level? I wish he played in a better conference so we could get a better idea of what he looks like going against big wings, but my thought process is that it's less risky to take guards from weak conferences than it would be if he were a big.

If we drafted him, we'd probably have to move IQ, you're not going anywhere with a two small guard backcourt.

I think he has no problems getting to the rim but he’s not so great at finishing because he’s extremely skinny

Was watching this video to see what went wrong against the good teams like Memphis and West Virgina and he basically missed open 3’s he usually makes and struggled finishing at the rim. He doesn’t look like he’s afraid of contact, just needs to get stronger.

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I think Bones is a starting guard to me and IQ is a 6th man. So I would keep them both

[jvsimonetti0514]

yeah.... I'd go Cooper & Duarte instead. If we were to keep 3 rooks in an unexpected situation, I'd trade up from 32 to draft Ayo.

I'd probably do Mann instead of Cooper but this mock doesn't make that much sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be shocked if we went with a big with one of our picks(if we keep them all) cuz I don't think the brain trust wants to pay Mitch but Johnson is a real head scratcher. We barely had minutes for Obi last year and he was Randle's back up. We certainly don't have minutes for another 4. This probably shouldn't annoying me as much as it does cuz it's most likely not going to happen but for subscription based journalism I expect better.

I think we definitely get a big with one of our picks, cause we're likely gonna let Noel walk, and we probably don't want to rely on Mitch/Taj for a whole 82 games. I think Isaiah Jackson works as a Noel replacement. Tall, skinny, jumpy, gets a lot of blocks, went to Kentucky, etc

Then I think wing is more of a need than PG, cause you think we're going after a starting PG in free agency, and we're not likely to find a starting caliber guy at 19, so we'd have to run out lineups of Quick/19/Rose, which is too small. Unless we don't plan on bringing Rose back, but I expect we do

God, I just had a nightmare. Imagine we strike out on all the starting caliber guys and think running it back with Elf is a good idea.

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You might be right cuz Thibs himself said we were looking at wings. It's kinda tough to ask some rookie guard to come in and take over the starting job unless they're elite out of the gate. Quick wasn't elite but he was clearly much better than Payton and Thibs refused to start him. So even if we did grab Cooper or Butler there's no chance that Thibs would even consider him for that starting job. My guess is we look for a combo guard and a wing to replace Bullocks and Burks. Tre mann and Duarate kinda fit for those same roles.

Kinda expect them to go minimum contract hunting for next season's back up big too. Noel's definitely not coming back here since he's never really had a pay day yet in his career. Still wild that he turned down a chance for generational money like that with Dallas. Maybe if we do keep our first three picks they'll draft a big but there's usually there's a pretty steep learning curve for them. I wonder how much patience Thibs would have for someone like Jackson cuz he's so raw and skinny. Robin Lopez I think could fill the Noel role and not break the bank.