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Adelheid wrote:This draft has tons of pgs and combo guards. Yet here we are, second-guessing on a guy who can put points on the scoreboard but has questionable teamplay and wanting the max...
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Adelheid wrote:This draft has tons of pgs and combo guards. Yet here we are, second-guessing on a guy who can put points on the scoreboard but has questionable teamplay and wanting the max...
So which one of them is going to average 24ppg, let's draft that one, can you tell me which one of the 30+ pgs and combo guards will be the one to do it.
DaGawd wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Adelheid wrote:This draft has tons of pgs and combo guards. Yet here we are, second-guessing on a guy who can put points on the scoreboard but has questionable teamplay and wanting the max...
So which one of them is going to average 24ppg, let's draft that one, can you tell me which one of the 30+ pgs and combo guards will be the one to do it.
It’s kinda crazy to me how many people are against taking a chance on player like Sexton. Comes from that Uber talented 2018 draft and looks the part of a player who will be a future stud in this league. Just got caught up in a messy team building situation in Cleveland. He’s gonna be one they let slip thru the crack and wish they could do over if they do trade him imo
Adelheid wrote:This draft has tons of pgs and combo guards. Yet here we are, second-guessing on a guy who can put points on the scoreboard but has questionable teamplay and wanting the max...
Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles
Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
Marty McFly wrote:Sexton is fine on his own. Especially in comparison to what the Knicks have in the backcourt, but consider the fact that Cleveland ain’t ****. If he was as great as some of you think, he wouldn’t be on the block. Cleveland is a lottery team.
Never mind the issue of possibly Taking on Love’s deal in order to acquire Sexton who also needs to get paid, that in it of itself makes a nonstarter for me. Max money tied up up on 2nd and 3rd options.
Hard pass.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
aggo wrote:First, hes definitely a good fit because he does a lot of stuff that we desperately need in a guard.
But in terms of value, I would much rather give up 4 FRPs + 4 swaps for Lillard than to make a smaller trade for Sexton
Marty McFly wrote:Sexton is fine on his own. Especially in comparison to what the Knicks have in the backcourt, but consider the fact that Cleveland ain’t ****. If he was as great as some of you think, he wouldn’t be on the block. Cleveland is a lottery team.
Never mind the issue of possibly Taking on Love’s deal in order to acquire Sexton who also needs to get paid, that in it of itself makes a nonstarter for me. Max money tied up up on 2nd and 3rd options.
Hard pass.
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I'm fully on the Sexton trade idea. The only reason I would have a little pause with trying to trade for him is cuz there's now SGA rumors floating about. If that's not something we can pull off, give me Sexton. He's an explosive off the dribble scorer and is a guy that plays with an edge and that's something we desperately need. I know he's a little rough around the edges and his teammates don't really like him but the Cavs aren't exactly a great environment for any young player. Their coaches and management have been pretty bad without Lebron around and I have a lot of faith in Thibs and Johnnie Bryant to get the next step out of him. Let's not forget Rose might be the perfect mentor for Sexton. Obviously, Sexton's off the dribble three ball is better than Rose's ever been but they do share a lot of similarities. We need to be realistically about what our management is going to do and it's not tanking. With no true superstars on the market this is the type of deals we should try to make.
cgmw wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I'm fully on the Sexton trade idea. The only reason I would have a little pause with trying to trade for him is cuz there's now SGA rumors floating about. If that's not something we can pull off, give me Sexton. He's an explosive off the dribble scorer and is a guy that plays with an edge and that's something we desperately need. I know he's a little rough around the edges and his teammates don't really like him but the Cavs aren't exactly a great environment for any young player. Their coaches and management have been pretty bad without Lebron around and I have a lot of faith in Thibs and Johnnie Bryant to get the next step out of him. Let's not forget Rose might be the perfect mentor for Sexton. Obviously, Sexton's off the dribble three ball is better than Rose's ever been but they do share a lot of similarities. We need to be realistically about what our management is going to do and it's not tanking. With no true superstars on the market this is the type of deals we should try to make.
There’s also the matter of leverage.
Cleveland is on an immediate clock to make a move before they ends up in a tough position roster-wise, which means they are under pressure to sell Sexton for less.
OKC has all the time in the world and another year to move, which means they will only move SGA for top dollar.
From a strictly game-theory/business 101 POV, Sexton is the smarter target, even if he’s the inferior player…. Unless Leon thinks SGA is the target later when OKC is under more pressure.
If I’m Leon, I sit down with my top scouts and Thibs to vet Sexton. If they like him, I go hard with a trade offer that doesn’t include RJ or Mitch.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Marty McFly wrote:Sexton is fine on his own. Especially in comparison to what the Knicks have in the backcourt, but consider the fact that Cleveland ain’t ****. If he was as great as some of you think, he wouldn’t be on the block. Cleveland is a lottery team.
Never mind the issue of possibly Taking on Love’s deal in order to acquire Sexton who also needs to get paid, that in it of itself makes a nonstarter for me. Max money tied up up on 2nd and 3rd options.
Hard pass.
He and Garland are too small to work as a backcourt together, they're even smaller than Lillard and McCollum. He's not a fit there, that doesn't mean he's not a good young player or wouldn't fit somewhere else. You can't look at one team not wanting a player as a reason not to pursue them.
Guano wrote:Fourni3r forgetting he has Bob cousy handles
Woodsanity wrote:Imagine trusting a team with World B Flat on it without Lebron keeping him in check.
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:cgmw wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I'm fully on the Sexton trade idea. The only reason I would have a little pause with trying to trade for him is cuz there's now SGA rumors floating about. If that's not something we can pull off, give me Sexton. He's an explosive off the dribble scorer and is a guy that plays with an edge and that's something we desperately need. I know he's a little rough around the edges and his teammates don't really like him but the Cavs aren't exactly a great environment for any young player. Their coaches and management have been pretty bad without Lebron around and I have a lot of faith in Thibs and Johnnie Bryant to get the next step out of him. Let's not forget Rose might be the perfect mentor for Sexton. Obviously, Sexton's off the dribble three ball is better than Rose's ever been but they do share a lot of similarities. We need to be realistically about what our management is going to do and it's not tanking. With no true superstars on the market this is the type of deals we should try to make.
There’s also the matter of leverage.
Cleveland is on an immediate clock to make a move before they ends up in a tough position roster-wise, which means they are under pressure to sell Sexton for less.
OKC has all the time in the world and another year to move, which means they will only move SGA for top dollar.
From a strictly game-theory/business 101 POV, Sexton is the smarter target, even if he’s the inferior player…. Unless Leon thinks SGA is the target later when OKC is under more pressure.
If I’m Leon, I sit down with my top scouts and Thibs to vet Sexton. If they like him, I go hard with a trade offer that doesn’t include RJ or Mitch.
I'm really surprised to hear that SGA might be on the market at all. The kid is also a legit star in the making and he had to be benched so help out OKC's tank but your right we really don't have the luxury to sit around and wait. Ideally, I'd much rather see if Lavine is interested in NYC than go after Sexton but we've been burned by hoping a free agent chooses us too many times to want us to sit on our hands for another offseason. It's a good thing we've got a bunch of assets cuz I think we might be able to get both. Let's say it costs us Obi+Knox 21+32 for Sexton. IQ, Mitch, RJ, plus dallas and our 2023 pick and possible whomever we draft this year for the SGA package. There's definitely a lot of options on the table depending on who becomes available.
Marty McFly wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Marty McFly wrote:Sexton is fine on his own. Especially in comparison to what the Knicks have in the backcourt, but consider the fact that Cleveland ain’t ****. If he was as great as some of you think, he wouldn’t be on the block. Cleveland is a lottery team.
Never mind the issue of possibly Taking on Love’s deal in order to acquire Sexton who also needs to get paid, that in it of itself makes a nonstarter for me. Max money tied up up on 2nd and 3rd options.
Hard pass.
He and Garland are too small to work as a backcourt together, they're even smaller than Lillard and McCollum. He's not a fit there, that doesn't mean he's not a good young player or wouldn't fit somewhere else. You can't look at one team not wanting a player as a reason not to pursue them.
you absolutely can if you want to be a realist. the Cavs are straight butt. I don't care what arguments you want to make about fit. Talent always wins out in the NBA. if he was as talented as he is being made to seem, they'd keep him. 6th men are still a thing. as I've said before he's better than what we have sure, he's not good enough to take on Love's contract in order to get him in return.