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Post#121 » by sip » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:14 pm

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Catchall wrote:Vrens Bleijenbergh is a young, 6'10" wing from Belgium who is draft-eligible in 2021. He's physically underdeveloped at around 180 lbs right now, but he shows an ability to handle and create shots for himself and others, including creating in pick-and-roll. An interesting prospect, though probably a couple years away from making a significant contribution.



Bleijenberg is reportedly 6'10" / 208 lbs with a 7'2" wingspan. Still only 20 y.o., I think. I'd be on board with him at #30. I think Springer, Murphy and Thor are likely to be gone by then.

FWIW, I would bet the Jazz could swing a deal with Houston for one of their picks in the 20s. Jazz would probably move Azubuike + #30 (or a future 2nd) to move up to #23.
Azubuike according to the jazz was the 2nd player in the entire draft on their board. If true. I find it hard to believe they dump him to move up 7 spots.
It is painful to think that they had him rated 2nd in the draft. The fact that our scouts are that out of touch with reality is disturbing.

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Post#122 » by Catchall » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:09 am

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Bleijenberg is reportedly 6'10" / 208 lbs with a 7'2" wingspan. Still only 20 y.o., I think. I'd be on board with him at #30. I think Springer, Murphy and Thor are likely to be gone by then.

FWIW, I would bet the Jazz could swing a deal with Houston for one of their picks in the 20s. Jazz would probably move Azubuike + #30 (or a future 2nd) to move up to #23.
Azubuike according to the jazz was the 2nd player in the entire draft on their board. If true. I find it hard to believe they dump him to move up 7 spots.
It is painful to think that they had him rated 2nd in the draft. The fact that our scouts are that out of touch with reality is disturbing.

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If I'm Houston, I don't have a big like that on my roster. My only 5s are Christian Wood and Kelly Olynyk, and Olynyk's deal just expired. I'd like a young pick-and-roll guy and paint protector like Dok. I think I'd do that deal. But yeah, the Jazz probably wouldn't.

It's possible the Jazz will end up moving Favors to save money under the LT. He's getting $9M/year to play less than 15 mins.

I really like the idea of drafting an upside pick like Bleijenberg or Boston at #30, but I'm not sure if the Jazz have the stomach for it.
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Post#123 » by Catchall » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:34 am

Catchall wrote:Bones Hyland says he's worked out for the Jazz.
Jazz have reportedly interviewed Miles McBride.
Jazz have also reportedly shown interest in Tyson Etienne, a 6'2" guard from Wichita State, and are trying to schedule a workout.


Jazz have reportedly worked out Sandro Mamukelashvili and are scheduling a workout with AJ Lawson.
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Post#124 » by D Rog » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:51 pm

I find it interesting to see everybody talking about draft picks. Jazz finished #1 regular season and then got bounced. Do you really think they can get a player that will get into the rotation and have a real impact in their first or second year after being drafted #30 by a team that is supposedly a contender?

I love that "Bones Hyland says he worked out for the Jazz" I don't follow much college BBall but I do look at size and stats prior to the draft. Do you really want a guy that has more turnovers (3.1) than assists (2.1)???
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Post#125 » by Catchall » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:27 pm

D Rog wrote:I find it interesting to see everybody talking about draft picks. Jazz finished #1 regular season and then got bounced. Do you really think they can get a player that will get into the rotation and have a real impact in their first or second year after being drafted #30 by a team that is supposedly a contender?

I love that "Bones Hyland says he worked out for the Jazz" I don't follow much college BBall but I do look at size and stats prior to the draft. Do you really want a guy that has more turnovers (3.1) than assists (2.1)???


I think there are guys in this draft available at #30 who could make the rotation and have an impact within 2 years. For one thing, the Jazz could move Favors to save money under the luxury tax and give the backup 5 job to Azubuike, who was picked at #27 last year.

As for this year, guys like Roko Prkacin, Filip Petrusev, Trey Murphy, Ayo Dosunmu, or Isaiah Todd could make the rotation by the end of their rookie season.

A couple of guys who are more project-type players are Vrenz Bleijenberg and Brandon Boston, but they're still worth drafting. The Jazz's primary way to add talent is the draft, whether it's to develop or trade.

Bones Hyland is probably the Immanuel Quickley of this draft. He could come in and play off the bench, I guess, though I'm not that high on him.
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Re: NBA Draft - 2021 Draft Prospects 

Post#126 » by sip » Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:37 pm

Catchall wrote:
sip wrote:
CAE15 wrote:Azubuike according to the jazz was the 2nd player in the entire draft on their board. If true. I find it hard to believe they dump him to move up 7 spots.
It is painful to think that they had him rated 2nd in the draft. The fact that our scouts are that out of touch with reality is disturbing.

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If I'm Houston, I don't have a big like that on my roster. My only 5s are Christian Wood and Kelly Olynyk, and Olynyk's deal just expired. I'd like a young pick-and-roll guy and paint protector like Dok. I think I'd do that deal. But yeah, the Jazz probably wouldn't.

It's possible the Jazz will end up moving Favors to save money under the LT. He's getting $9M/year to play less than 15 mins.

I really like the idea of drafting an upside pick like Bleijenberg or Boston at #30, but I'm not sure if the Jazz have the stomach for it.
Unfortunately the question with Favors is what does he cost to move. I would be really surprised if a team took him as a straight salary dump without sending out an asset with him. Unfortunately it wouldn't shock me to see the 30th pick as that asset. Especially with Lindsey still around. If he was gone then I think it would have happened right now because we have already begun the draft process.

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Re: NBA Draft - 2021 Draft Prospects 

Post#127 » by Catchall » Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:48 pm

sip wrote:
Catchall wrote:
sip wrote:It is painful to think that they had him rated 2nd in the draft. The fact that our scouts are that out of touch with reality is disturbing.

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If I'm Houston, I don't have a big like that on my roster. My only 5s are Christian Wood and Kelly Olynyk, and Olynyk's deal just expired. I'd like a young pick-and-roll guy and paint protector like Dok. I think I'd do that deal. But yeah, the Jazz probably wouldn't.

It's possible the Jazz will end up moving Favors to save money under the LT. He's getting $9M/year to play less than 15 mins.

I really like the idea of drafting an upside pick like Bleijenberg or Boston at #30, but I'm not sure if the Jazz have the stomach for it.
Unfortunately the question with Favors is what does he cost to move. I would be really surprised if a team took him as a straight salary dump without sending out an asset with him. Unfortunately it wouldn't shock me to see the 30th pick as that asset. Especially with Lindsey still around. If he was gone then I think it would have happened right now because we have already begun the draft process.

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The Jazz received a 2RP when they flipped Derrick Favors to NOLA a couple years ago. I'd like to think he still has that value as a rotational big.
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Post#128 » by KqWIN » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:34 pm

Favors was one of the most obviously unplayable “rotation” players in the playoffs and was bad all season long. Don’t think that getting traded for two seconds (which we’re ultimately used to dump salary) two years ago means anything when you consider.
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Post#129 » by babyjax13 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:12 am

D Rog wrote:I find it interesting to see everybody talking about draft picks. Jazz finished #1 regular season and then got bounced. Do you really think they can get a player that will get into the rotation and have a real impact in their first or second year after being drafted #30 by a team that is supposedly a contender?

I love that "Bones Hyland says he worked out for the Jazz" I don't follow much college BBall but I do look at size and stats prior to the draft. Do you really want a guy that has more turnovers (3.1) than assists (2.1)???


This draft is ABSURD, I've never seen a draft that appears so deep beforehand. I assume Utah is looking into buying a second round pick or two if they are working out Sandro, who I really like as a flier.


Also, picks 24-35 in the last several drafts have been pretty good.

2017:
24. Tyler Lydon
25. Anzejs Pasecniks
26. Caleb Swanigan
27. Kyle Kuzma
28. Tony Bradley
29. Derrick White
30. Josh Hart
31. Frank Jackson
32. Davon Reed
33. Wes Iwundu
34. Frank Mason III
35. Ivan Rabb
Stars: 0
Full-time Starters: 1
Spot starts/key bench players: 2
Solid bench players: 2
Hit rate: 42%

2018:
24. Anfernee Simons
25. Mo Wagner
26. Landry Shamet
27. Robert Williams
28. Jacob Evans
29. Dzanen Musa
30. Omari Spellman
31. Elie Okobo
32. Jevon Carter
33. Jalen Brunson
34. Davonte Graham
35. Melvin Frazier
Stars: 0
Full-time Starters: 0 (so far, but Williams, Brunson, and Graham may jump up)
Spot starts/key bench players: 4
Solid bench players: 2
Hit rate: 50%

2019:
24. Ty Jerome
25. Nassir Little
26. Dylan Windler
27. Mfiondu Kabangale
28. Jordan Poole
29. Keldon Johnson
30. Kevin Porter Jr.
31. Nic Claxton
32. KZ Okpala
33. Carsen Edwards
34. Bruno Fernando
35. Didi Louzada
Stars: 0 (but KPJ may move into this group)
Full-time Starters: 2 (but Claxton may move into this group)
Spot starts/key bench players: 2
Solid bench players: 4
Hit rate: 67%

2020:
24. RJ Hampton
25. Immanuel Quickley
26. Payton Prichard
27. Udoka Azubuike
28. Jaden McDaniels
29. Malachi Flynn
30. Desmond Bayne
31. Tyrell Terry
32. Vernon Carey
33. Daniel Oturu
34. Theo Maledon
35. Xavier Tillman
Stars: 0 (but RJ may move into this group)
Full-time Starters: 2
Spot starts/key bench players: 6
Solid bench players: 0
Hit rate: 67%

Total hit rate: 56%

Based on the last few drafts you have a good chance of getting a rotation player out of this section of the draft, and this draft is seemingly much deeper than most of these pre-draft (I actually think last year's was spectacularly deep, I had RJ Hampton as possibly being considered top 3 and he went 24th and that did not feel completely nuts).
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Post#130 » by Catchall » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:52 pm

I still can't believe the Jazz would have the opportunity to draft a talent like Brandon Boston at #30. If you thought Kevin Porter Jr. was a steal, wait til you see what this guy could be. Yeah, he had a bad year. He was 19, his team sucked, and he wasn't ready for what he was asked to do.
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Post#131 » by Catchall » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:57 pm

KqWIN wrote:Favors was one of the most obviously unplayable “rotation” players in the playoffs and was bad all season long. Don’t think that getting traded for two seconds (which we’re ultimately used to dump salary) two years ago means anything when you consider.


He had a good series against the Grizzlies.
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Post#132 » by SoCalJazzFan » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:00 pm

How is Moses Wright, top 5 in the ACC in many statistical categories and ACC player of the year not in the top 60 of the mock drafts I am seeing? Apparently, he showed well in the combined too. Looks underrated and a guy the Jazz could use.

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Post#133 » by SoCalJazzFan » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:06 pm

Joe Wieskamp is another guy who seems to be underrated to me.
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Post#134 » by SoCalJazzFan » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:48 pm

If the Jazz want to buy into the second round, it would seem very doable this draft given that 4 teams have two picks, 3 teams three picks and 1 (New Orleans) four picks in the 2nd round.
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Post#135 » by pickIBL » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:02 pm

D Rog wrote:I find it interesting to see everybody talking about draft picks. Jazz finished #1 regular season and then got bounced. Do you really think they can get a player that will get into the rotation and have a real impact in their first or second year after being drafted #30 by a team that is supposedly a contender?

I love that "Bones Hyland says he worked out for the Jazz" I don't follow much college BBall but I do look at size and stats prior to the draft. Do you really want a guy that has more turnovers (3.1) than assists (2.1)???


Considering stars dont want to play in Utah, I would say the draft is of extra importance. The jazz should be trying to make the best of each draft every year. DL had his moments. But also times when the dps werent ultilized properly.
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Post#136 » by dr0welf » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:13 am

Catchall wrote:
Catchall wrote:Bones Hyland says he's worked out for the Jazz.
Jazz have reportedly interviewed Miles McBride.
Jazz have also reportedly shown interest in Tyson Etienne, a 6'2" guard from Wichita State, and are trying to schedule a workout.


Jazz have reportedly worked out Sandro Mamukelashvili and are scheduling a workout with AJ Lawson.


I like the potential of AJ Lawson: Athletic, long reach. Where you guys seeing AJ projected going?
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Post#137 » by ForeverRDjazz » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:16 am

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D Rog wrote:I find it interesting to see everybody talking about draft picks. Jazz finished #1 regular season and then got bounced. Do you really think they can get a player that will get into the rotation and have a real impact in their first or second year after being drafted #30 by a team that is supposedly a contender?

I love that "Bones Hyland says he worked out for the Jazz" I don't follow much college BBall but I do look at size and stats prior to the draft. Do you really want a guy that has more turnovers (3.1) than assists (2.1)???


Considering stars dont want to play in Utah, I would say the draft is of extra importance. The jazz should be trying to make the best of each draft every year. DL had his moments. But also times when the dps werent ultilized properly.

Sounds like Damian Lillard wants traded and Utah is the top of his list. We need to go get him Asap.
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Post#138 » by D Rog » Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:05 am

ForeverRDjazz wrote:
pickIBL wrote:
D Rog wrote:I find it interesting to see everybody talking about draft picks. Jazz finished #1 regular season and then got bounced. Do you really think they can get a player that will get into the rotation and have a real impact in their first or second year after being drafted #30 by a team that is supposedly a contender?

I love that "Bones Hyland says he worked out for the Jazz" I don't follow much college BBall but I do look at size and stats prior to the draft. Do you really want a guy that has more turnovers (3.1) than assists (2.1)???


Considering stars dont want to play in Utah, I would say the draft is of extra importance. The jazz should be trying to make the best of each draft every year. DL had his moments. But also times when the dps werent ultilized properly.

Sounds like Damian Lillard wants traded and Utah is the top of his list. We need to go get him Asap.


I want Mila Kunis but I am not planning on that. I don't have the looks or the $$$. The don't think the Jazz have the trade capital. Portland is going to want a lot.
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Post#139 » by ForeverRDjazz » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:31 am

D Rog wrote:
ForeverRDjazz wrote:
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Considering stars dont want to play in Utah, I would say the draft is of extra importance. The jazz should be trying to make the best of each draft every year. DL had his moments. But also times when the dps werent ultilized properly.

Sounds like Damian Lillard wants traded and Utah is the top of his list. We need to go get him Asap.


I want Mila Kunis but I am not planning on that. I don't have the looks or the $$$. The don't think the Jazz have the trade capital. Portland is going to want a lot.

Bring 76s who'll need PG if Ben is traded. Trade Ben to Portland and Dame to Utah and Conley to 76ers, Numbers work if Conley would sign and trade. Not sure how that would work.
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Post#140 » by pickIBL » Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:12 am

D Rog wrote:
ForeverRDjazz wrote:
pickIBL wrote:
Considering stars dont want to play in Utah, I would say the draft is of extra importance. The jazz should be trying to make the best of each draft every year. DL had his moments. But also times when the dps werent ultilized properly.

Sounds like Damian Lillard wants traded and Utah is the top of his list. We need to go get him Asap.


I want Mila Kunis but I am not planning on that. I don't have the looks or the $$$. The don't think the Jazz have the trade capital. Portland is going to want a lot.

Maybe 10 years ago :banghead:
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