2021 Draft Thread

[Scoots1994]

I have 5 names at 7 and 5+ at 14. I am now ready for the draft tomorrow ... plus a month.

[GSWFan1994]

I am starting to see how if Alperen Şengün is available you may just have to take him. I don’t know how he fits but the guys really good at basketball. He just won Turkish League MVP which is the 4th most competitive league in the World behind the NBA, Euroleague, and Spanish Liga ACB. Şengün Averaged 18 ppg 9 rpg in the Turkish League so he really did dominate. On the National team he also played really well. He’s played tougher competition than the NCAA and dominated it, that cannot be understated.

I also saw some statistics that his numbers exceed what Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol were producing at the same age. He’s more dominant than they were.

His game is not the most visually appealing but his results are. He’s not really a true center in the way that Jokic, Nurkic, or Gasol are. His game looks more like how Domantas Sabonis game looked at the same age. Sabonis was skinnier at that time, but he was a big guy with a high offensive motor who likes to bang and bruise under the hoop and was crafty around the paint with a soft touch. It really was not till after some time that Sabonis developed the outside shot which I believe helped him to spread the floor and pass from the high post. Sabonis dominates on offense whether he’s at power forward or center, it’s on defense that he’s a tweener. I see Şengün the same way, kind of a tweener on defense.

Does Şengün make sense in terms of fit? I really don’t know. He probably makes no sense with James and Dray here. Maybe he’s a combo big who comes off the bench and just wrecks opposing teams around the hoop. But I think he might be the bpa after the bigger names who are locks to go early.

Great post.

I shall add that, in my view, Sengun plays like a younger Pau Gasol. He's more nimble and agile than Domantas, I think.

Obviously Gasol is taller, but his playstyle is very similar to Sengun's, IMO.

[GSWFan1994]

The thing I’m worried about with Sengun is his size. While his stats compare favorably with Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol, it’s pretty evident that he’s at least 2-3 inches shorter and probably 20+ pounds lighter than each of them, and it’s their agility and skill, combined with pretty overwhelming size, that makes them transcendent. Take away that overwhelming size, and adjust it to somebody who’s the size of a PF, and I think it won’t work as well.

Do I think he’ll be productive? Absolutely. He clearly has skills. His offense is going to be good. But I don’t think he’ll reach that elite level on offense of the guys you noted, and will likewise struggle some on defense.

I’d absolutely consider (and probably take) him at 14 if he’s still on the board, but at #7 I think he’d be a reach.

Chuck, first of all thanks for all the posts you've been writing, it's always a pleasure reading them.

Regarding Sengun, as I wrote somewhere else here in the forums, I'm thinking that maybe Orlando and/or OKC might pick him.

In that scenario, Barnes and/or Kuminga might fall to us.

Let's see what happens, I really believe he will shot up draft boards in the next few weeks, as more and more teams are getting reliable info on him.

[GSWFan1994]

I have 5 names at 7 and 5+ at 14. I am now ready for the draft tomorrow ... plus a month.

Tell us all your names, baby. Give us some food for thought.

[wupuck]

I am starting to see how if Alperen Şengün is available you may just have to take him. I don’t know how he fits but the guys really good at basketball. He just won Turkish League MVP which is the 4th most competitive league in the World behind the NBA, Euroleague, and Spanish Liga ACB. Şengün Averaged 18 ppg 9 rpg in the Turkish League so he really did dominate. On the National team he also played really well. He’s played tougher competition than the NCAA and dominated it, that cannot be understated.

I also saw some statistics that his numbers exceed what Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol were producing at the same age. He’s more dominant than they were.

His game is not the most visually appealing but his results are. He’s not really a true center in the way that Jokic, Nurkic, or Gasol are. His game looks more like how Domantas Sabonis game looked at the same age. Sabonis was skinnier at that time, but he was a big guy with a high offensive motor who likes to bang and bruise under the hoop and was crafty around the paint with a soft touch. It really was not till after some time that Sabonis developed the outside shot which I believe helped him to spread the floor and pass from the high post. Sabonis dominates on offense whether he’s at power forward or center, it’s on defense that he’s a tweener. I see Şengün the same way, kind of a tweener on defense.

Does Şengün make sense in terms of fit? I really don’t know. He probably makes no sense with James and Dray here. Maybe he’s a combo big who comes off the bench and just wrecks opposing teams around the hoop. But I think he might be the bpa after the bigger names who are locks to go early.

Great post.

I shall add that, in my view, Sengun plays like a younger Pau Gasol. He's more nimble and agile than Domantas, I think.

Obviously Gasol is taller, but his playstyle is very similar to Sengun's, IMO.

I do like what I'm reading from Sengun and I won't be to sad if the Dubs picked either him or what I prefer is if Barnes fell to the dubs because Sengun's coveted by OKC.

A Wiseman/Sengun front court would be interesting if they could figure out how play together - especially if Sengun can develop a 3pt shot.

I get that Sengun is young and realistically not helpful to the Dubs win at this time but unless Barnes falls to them at 7 the only player in this draft I think that can help them now are Mobley, Cunningham, Suggs and Barnes. We know the first 3 aren't falling to the dubs so unless one the top 3 teams would take a 7 & 14 trade for their top pick, first 3 won't happen.

Barring another major injury and/or a trade - this will likely be the Dubs highest picks for the next 2-3 years until Curry and company start falling off. They can't waste it on a Low ceiling player like a Davion Mitchell

[DAWill1128]

I am starting to see how if Alperen Şengün is available you may just have to take him. I don’t know how he fits but the guys really good at basketball. He just won Turkish League MVP which is the 4th most competitive league in the World behind the NBA, Euroleague, and Spanish Liga ACB. Şengün Averaged 18 ppg 9 rpg in the Turkish League so he really did dominate. On the National team he also played really well. He’s played tougher competition than the NCAA and dominated it, that cannot be understated.

I also saw some statistics that his numbers exceed what Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol were producing at the same age. He’s more dominant than they were.

His game is not the most visually appealing but his results are. He’s not really a true center in the way that Jokic, Nurkic, or Gasol are. His game looks more like how Domantas Sabonis game looked at the same age. Sabonis was skinnier at that time, but he was a big guy with a high offensive motor who likes to bang and bruise under the hoop and was crafty around the paint with a soft touch. It really was not till after some time that Sabonis developed the outside shot which I believe helped him to spread the floor and pass from the high post. Sabonis dominates on offense whether he’s at power forward or center, it’s on defense that he’s a tweener. I see Şengün the same way, kind of a tweener on defense.

Does Şengün make sense in terms of fit? I really don’t know. He probably makes no sense with James and Dray here. Maybe he’s a combo big who comes off the bench and just wrecks opposing teams around the hoop. But I think he might be the bpa after the bigger names who are locks to go early.

The thing I’m worried about with Sengun is his size. While his stats compare favorably with Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol, it’s pretty evident that he’s at least 2-3 inches shorter and probably 20+ pounds lighter than each of them, and it’s their agility and skill, combined with pretty overwhelming size, that makes them transcendent. Take away that overwhelming size, and adjust it to somebody who’s the size of a PF, and I think it won’t work as well.

Do I think he’ll be productive? Absolutely. He clearly has skills. His offense is going to be good. But I don’t think he’ll reach that elite level on offense of the guys you noted, and will likewise struggle some on defense.

I’d absolutely consider (and probably take) him at 14 if he’s still on the board, but at #7 I think he’d be a reach.

I do feel the same way. A guy like Jokic and Nurkic are so big that they can get deep positioning on offense and just turn a shoulder and score, they are physically some of the biggest and strongest guys in the NBA. Jokic is such a big heavy guy to move that I believe that allows him to really manipulate defenders trying to get him off his spot. That’s why Sengun is kind of a mystery, doesn’t shoot well enough to be a power forward and is kinda smaller for a center. Maybe he’s just a high motor interior beast of a tweener on offense like Sabonis and Randle are.

[wupuck]

I am starting to see how if Alperen Şengün is available you may just have to take him. I don’t know how he fits but the guys really good at basketball. He just won Turkish League MVP which is the 4th most competitive league in the World behind the NBA, Euroleague, and Spanish Liga ACB. Şengün Averaged 18 ppg 9 rpg in the Turkish League so he really did dominate. On the National team he also played really well. He’s played tougher competition than the NCAA and dominated it, that cannot be understated.

I also saw some statistics that his numbers exceed what Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol were producing at the same age. He’s more dominant than they were.

His game is not the most visually appealing but his results are. He’s not really a true center in the way that Jokic, Nurkic, or Gasol are. His game looks more like how Domantas Sabonis game looked at the same age. Sabonis was skinnier at that time, but he was a big guy with a high offensive motor who likes to bang and bruise under the hoop and was crafty around the paint with a soft touch. It really was not till after some time that Sabonis developed the outside shot which I believe helped him to spread the floor and pass from the high post. Sabonis dominates on offense whether he’s at power forward or center, it’s on defense that he’s a tweener. I see Şengün the same way, kind of a tweener on defense.

Does Şengün make sense in terms of fit? I really don’t know. He probably makes no sense with James and Dray here. Maybe he’s a combo big who comes off the bench and just wrecks opposing teams around the hoop. But I think he might be the bpa after the bigger names who are locks to go early.

The thing I’m worried about with Sengun is his size. While his stats compare favorably with Jokic, Nurkic, and Gasol, it’s pretty evident that he’s at least 2-3 inches shorter and probably 20+ pounds lighter than each of them, and it’s their agility and skill, combined with pretty overwhelming size, that makes them transcendent. Take away that overwhelming size, and adjust it to somebody who’s the size of a PF, and I think it won’t work as well.

Do I think he’ll be productive? Absolutely. He clearly has skills. His offense is going to be good. But I don’t think he’ll reach that elite level on offense of the guys you noted, and will likewise struggle some on defense.

I’d absolutely consider (and probably take) him at 14 if he’s still on the board, but at #7 I think he’d be a reach.

I do feel the same way. A guy like Jokic and Nurkic are so big that they can get deep positioning on offense and just turn a shoulder and score, they are physically some of the biggest and strongest guys in the NBA. Jokic is such a big heavy guy to move that I believe that allows him to really manipulate defenders trying to get him off his spot. That’s why Sengun is kind of a mystery, doesn’t shoot well enough to be a power forward and is kinda smaller for a center. Maybe he’s just a high motor interior beast of a tweener on offense like Sabonis and Randle are.

Another thought is the Dubs just hired Jokic's old coach from Serbia right? Why not get another Skilled big for him to mentor?

[DevinVassell]

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Bouknights" shot looks effortless. He along with JJohnson look like the most talented players left outside the top 5 for me. I still love Wagner for fit.

Hoping we keep at least one of our picks so we can nab one of these three guys.

[Scoots1994]

I have 5 names at 7 and 5+ at 14. I am now ready for the draft tomorrow ... plus a month.

Tell us all your names, baby. Give us some food for thought.

In no particular order, and assuming there is possible shakeup in the top 6.

At 7:
Barnes
Moody
Kuminga
Jalen Johnson
Mitchell

At 14:
Jalen Johnson (maybe he drops)
Springer
Sengun
Wagner
Williams
Murphy

[Scoots1994]

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Bouknights" shot looks effortless. He along with JJohnson look like the most talented players left outside the top 5 for me. I still love Wagner for fit.

Hoping we keep at least one of our picks so we can nab one of these three guys.

He's been climbing, now he may jump up.

Jalen Johnson is all about the interview.

[vagelis]

After a first look to potential #7 picks I have them in the following order

1)Barnes
2)Mitchell
3)Keon Johnson, Bouknight
4)Jalen Johnson

And I like Giddey if he is available at 14

[mos_def]

Yeah...Im thinking Bouknight at 7 now just cuz of his ability to get into the lane better than Moody. He has some work to do on his game, but what prospect does not. I think his shot is better than Keon's now, thus the development wont take as long.

[WESCO]

Sengun looks miles ahead of Wiseman already.

[Scoots1994]

After a first look to potential #7 picks I have them in the following order

1)Barnes
2)Mitchell
3)Keon Johnson, Bouknight
4)Jalen Johnson

And I like Giddey if he is available at 14

Barnes and Jalen Johnson are open questions on what the team is thinking and how they do in tryouts/interviews.

Keon seems pretty unlikely.

Why not Moody?

[The-Power]

Yeah...Im thinking Bouknight at 7 now just cuz of his ability to get into the lane better than Moody.

Completely different archetypes. Bouknight is a CG-sized score-first guy who doesn't do anything else at a high level. Moody is a wing-sized multi-positional defender who's going to be an off-ball player on offense out of the gate.

Moody could potentially be placed in the starting line-up and help us with defense and shooting. Bouknight would be a guy you bring off the bench for a scoring punch. If the front-office is torn between those two guys, that means they haven't done their job determining what kind of player they actually want with their pick.

I, personally, have zero interest in Bouknight at 7 and little interest in him at 14 either.

[Scoots1994]

Sengun looks miles ahead of Wiseman already.

In some ways yes.

[Scoots1994]

Yeah...Im thinking Bouknight at 7 now just cuz of his ability to get into the lane better than Moody.

Completely different archetypes. Bouknight is a CG-sized score-first guy who doesn't do anything else at a high level. Moody is a wing-sized multi-positional defender who's going to be an off-ball player on offense out of the gate.

Moody could potentially be placed in the starting line-up and help us with defense and shooting. Bouknight would be a guy you bring off the bench for a scoring punch. If the front-office is torn between those two guys, that means they haven't done their job determining what kind of player they actually want with their pick.

I, personally, have zero interest in Bouknight at 7 and little interest in him at 14 either.

Yes. The issue isn't Bouknight per-say, it's what the Warriors are looking for. To me Bouknight feels a little like Poole, same height, and similar combo-guard games. Poole is quicker, but not as long. Poole's defense is not good, but it has improved, as has his passing. I just don't see Bouknight being a good value at 7.

Playmakers, all-around players, super high IQ players, defense, AND scoring.

[weekend_warrior]

I'd say that there is no reason to draft any score-first guards, as long as there isn't a generational talent. Realistically, none of these guys will be better for us next season than Poole. Probably it's not even close.

[Scoots1994]

I'd say that there is no reason to draft any score-first guards, as long as there isn't a generational talent. Realistically, none of these guys will be better for us next season than Poole. Probably it's not even close.

Yes and no. I would jump on Green. Not because of need but because of the potential for the future.

[vagelis]

After a first look to potential #7 picks I have them in the following order

1)Barnes
2)Mitchell
3)Keon Johnson, Bouknight
4)Jalen Johnson

And I like Giddey if he is available at 14

Barnes and Jalen Johnson are open questions on what the team is thinking and how they do in tryouts/interviews.

Keon seems pretty unlikely.

Why not Moody?

Moody seems a shooter but does not impress me in something else. Not an extraordinary athlete or a shot creator in 1vs1.
The other players that I posted are either better athletes or better shot creators or both. I think they have bigger upside