Ec's Offseason Blueprint

[HardenGoat]

All 3 of our stars got injured and missed significant time. Plus we had an injury to Jeff green who is a vital cog in our wheel. I’m not surprised of the outcome at all, injuries affected everything. I’m not sure what happened to Harris but I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t the cumulative pressure that finally caught up with him. Usually a deadeye shooter that consistently misses has lost some of his legs, but the other problem presented is he is not a second option player. When a defense doesn’t have to worry about Kyrie or Harden on the floor they can focus on playing him tight. With a healthy big 3 he would be way more free to roam .. guaranteed. I think we will learn a lot from this year and Harden will come back completely different physically and mentally. He won’t be coming in thinking he’s stuck on a rebuilding team. He also tanked his value to make sure his new team didn’t get seriously gutted. Anyways. You don’t blow up a team that nearly made the ECF despite being injury riddled and the 3 best players playing like 10 games together along with a rookie coach. Run it back healthy! We got it as is as long as we stay friggin healthy! Buy out DJ and get a rebounding center that can defend. Sign and trade Dinwiddie in a 3 team trade that gets us a 3-D wing. This can be done.

[ecuhus1981]

We have no reason to move Shamet. I kick the tires again on him and allow Joe a redemption season.

I definitely agree on Joe. For one, I'm a sucker for a good "stone the builders threw away became the capstone" type of story. Plus, he CARES. He's been with us in the down years, and he wants to be a part of our ascension to the top. He knows he let down his team, and IMO he will approach this offseason with a hunger to redeem himself.

I can't ride with you on Landry, not as some irreplaceable, untouchable core piece. I'm not mad at him, he just is not gonna have a role on a championship caliber rotation. Since that's the case, and since he's a year out from restricted free agency in which we can't match any respectable offer, now is the time to recoup value for him before losing him for free.

For example, can you name one bench guard playing right now, that Shamet would beat out for minutes if he were on their team? Let's play that game:

Cam Payne? GTFO

Luke Kennard? You see now why the Clippers were ready to throw 8 figures at Luke, rather than keep Landry for two more cheap years. They couldn't rely on him to fulfill his role during the postseason.

Pat Connaughton? Better on both ends for the past 3 playoffs.

Lemon Pepper Lou? He's had some inefficient postseasons in the past, I'll grant. However this time with Atlanta, he's been better than our guy.

Even expanding the search for all playoff teams, I can't see a single one that would use him as their 1st guard of the bench, except us. Clarkson, Hill, Morris, Melton, Smart, Neto, Brunson, Caruso, Powell, heck even Quigley. We have the ability this offseason to get better, cheaper guards to fill out our bench, and we should do it. At that point, Shamet will be a towel waver / expiring contract. For a team knee deep in the luxury tax with precious few liquid assets, leveraging this one makes sense.

[ecuhus1981]

I love how Kyrie is getting the blame when he played the most games of any of our stars this season and made All NBA.

If anyone deserves blame its Harden for showing up fat this season and dogging it. You can't convince me Harden's lack of conditioning isn't the reason he had all those hamstring injuries.

With that being said it would be idiotic to make any major moves. If the right trade comes around move Harris. Otherwise this is still the best team in the NBA by far. We will win if the Big 3 can stay healthy.

The biggest move we can make is to resign Dinwiddie by far. Even if it comes at the cost of losing Bruce Brown. And off loading DJ's contract for a pick.

Part and parcel, we don't get Harden if he doesn't purposely force his way out by tanking his fitness and violating COVID protocol. Houston had dug in their heels, they were not going to trade him for any price without those extreme measures. The after effects of it were a season more injury riddled than any in his career, which was part of our purchase price. I said it even before the trade, sometimes a wolf has to bite off its paw to escape the trap.

[gigantes]

Kyrie was the most durable out of the Big 3 and got injured on a dirty play. Why is he getting dumped on?

If you re-read the posts above, I briefly mentioned that I thought Kyrie's unreliability was one of various factors in the Nets' disappointing season. I hadn't planned on saying anything more, since that to me would be dumping on the dude for no reason.

As it happens, my point was attacked a couple times, and I chose to defend the point by elaborating. Keeping it strictly factual from my POV.

Problem?

[therealbig3]

Take out 2 of the 3 best players on any team around the league, and they're not going to win many games, never mind playoff games. There's nothing really that lacking about our roster this year, we just need to be healthier.

[Openheimer]

As far as Dinwiddie goes, it is hard to speculate. Sign & Trades sound nice, but If Dinwiddie wants to sign without gutting his new team, he likely just signs. He seems like a take the highest price guy, so he may not care about that, but he also probably doesnt care about helping marks either. A Sign & Trade would really only come into play if the team can't outright sign Dinwiddie, or else, again... he just signs there. I look at the Gordon Heyward situation in Boston, they could have got a nice return, but he took the money instead of waiting around for a S&T. I think the same happens with Dinwiddie unless we pay him what he wants, which i think is unlikely.

I'm all for giving Bruce Brown a raise and 7-8 million. Not that I care much about keeping the player, but a hard working defender on a reasonable contract helps alot for a midseason trade at the deadline.

I'm keeping a close eye on Spencer and Blake, but as Marks said, those are probably out of our control and the players have the decision to make stay or go.

Sign and trading Dinwiddie is not going to gut anyone, he's a one piece trade. I don't see Lakers pulling a trade and hard capping themselves with the roster spots they need to fill. They should though move on from Schroeder simply for chemistry reasons and Dinwiddie would be an immediate fix to that so it might still happen .Clippers need a point guard. Maybe they will use Beverly or Morris but most likely a third team is involved if he goes there so we can fill our center/wing need.

Beverly is actually not a bad piece to get to shore up the Nets wing defense but his contract is so bad and he is to injury prone to be a reliable contributor. Spencer apparently wants to to his home town Los angles .I would look at a sign and trade for Marcus Morris in return. I think he would be an insane fit on the Nets.

[Prokorov]

Take out 2 of the 3 best players on any team around the league, and they're not going to win many games, never mind playoff games. There's nothing really that lacking about our roster this year, we just need to be healthier.

I agree with this. especially if we are talking about the roster that ended the season with Mike James and Blake Griffin.

I think having a 2-way role guy like PJ Brown, who also brings some toughness is really all id look to add. other then that, we have depth and versatility everywhere...

Ball Handlers: Kyrie, Harden, Mike James

Shooters: Harris, Shamet, Tyler Johnson

Stretch Bigs: Durant, Green, Blake

Rim running bigs: Claxton, DJ

Energy guys: Brown, Alize


And of course the 3 in red are superstars.

Add PJ Tucker to that mix and replace mike james with someone decent and im good to run it back

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie was the most durable out of the Big 3 and got injured on a dirty play. Why is he getting dumped on?

If you re-read the posts above, I briefly mentioned that I thought Kyrie's unreliability was one of various factors in the Nets' disappointing season. I hadn't planned on saying anything more, since that to me would be dumping on the dude for no reason.

As it happens, my point was attacked a couple times, and I chose to defend the point by elaborating. Keeping it strictly factual from my POV.

Problem?

Can you expound on what made him unreliable? He missed some games for personal reasons yes but overall he had one of the best seasons for anyone in Nets history and out of the Big 3, he was the most available playing in 54 games. He was pretty much healthy all year until that dirty ass hole Giannis took him out. Harden was playing ungodly before the hamstring issues but Kyrie was also a big part of keeping this team together during the bumpy road that led us to capturing a 2 seed. 27/5/6 on 50/40/92. We have never seen that kind of play in the history of this franchise...if anything, we need to appreciate this guy a bit more imo. Things went to hell the moment he got hurt.

[MrDollarBills]

Take out 2 of the 3 best players on any team around the league, and they're not going to win many games, never mind playoff games. There's nothing really that lacking about our roster this year, we just need to be healthier.

Bingo.

We also need to manage minutes better during the season.

[gigantes]

Can you expound on what made him unreliable? He missed some games for personal reasons yes but overall he had one of the best seasons for anyone in Nets history and out of the Big 3, he was the most available playing in 54 games. He was pretty much healthy all year until that dirty ass hole Giannis took him out. Harden was playing ungodly before the hamstring issues but Kyrie was also a big part of keeping this team together during the bumpy road that led us to capturing a 2 seed. 27/5/6 on 50/40/92. We have never seen that kind of play in the history of this franchise...if anything, we need to appreciate this guy a bit more imo. Things went to hell the moment he got hurt.

I feel like I've critiqued Kyrie plenty for his 'unreliability' in my replies above to Proky and whoever else. I said my piece, and I'm not here to rag on the guy.

I totally agree that Kyrie's individual stats were godly, and that we should all be thrilled with how productive he was in pretty much every lineup. He's the real deal, and seems to get along just fine with his teammates. So Boston fans can keep sucking it, far as I'm concerned.

In terms of Kyrie's fit and ability to run the offense as a pure PG, that's another discussion. I feel like KD and Beard are the vital pillars to this team, and if Marks indeed trades Kyrie for defense, depth and talent (something like that), I'd probably be okay with that. At the same time, how would that work with extending Durant? Seems like pie in the sky, at the moment.

[Prokorov]

Can you expound on what made him unreliable? He missed some games for personal reasons yes but overall he had one of the best seasons for anyone in Nets history and out of the Big 3, he was the most available playing in 54 games. He was pretty much healthy all year until that dirty ass hole Giannis took him out. Harden was playing ungodly before the hamstring issues but Kyrie was also a big part of keeping this team together during the bumpy road that led us to capturing a 2 seed. 27/5/6 on 50/40/92. We have never seen that kind of play in the history of this franchise...if anything, we need to appreciate this guy a bit more imo. Things went to hell the moment he got hurt.

I feel like I've critiqued Kyrie plenty for his 'unreliability' in my replies above to Proky and whoever else. I said my piece, and I'm not here to rag on the guy.

I totally agree that Kyrie's individual stats were godly, and that we should all be thrilled with how productive he was in pretty much every lineup. He's the real deal, and seems to get along just fine with his teammates. So Boston fans can keep sucking it, far as I'm concerned.

In terms of Kyrie's fit and ability to run the offense as a pure PG, that's another discussion. I feel like KD and Beard are the vital pillars to this team, and if Marks indeed trades Kyrie for defense, depth and talent (something like that), I'd probably be okay with that. At the same time, how would that work with extending Durant? Seems like pie in the sky, at the moment.

There is no player outside the top 8-10 that would make us better then having kyrie. there is no 2-3 player package of jrue/covington types that would make us better then kyrie.

With Kyrie, and even without harden, we were on our way to winning a title with little resistance. Even if kyrie was the worst defender in the league, as a #2 or #3 option he makes you the best offense of all time.

[MrDollarBills]

Can you expound on what made him unreliable? He missed some games for personal reasons yes but overall he had one of the best seasons for anyone in Nets history and out of the Big 3, he was the most available playing in 54 games. He was pretty much healthy all year until that dirty ass hole Giannis took him out. Harden was playing ungodly before the hamstring issues but Kyrie was also a big part of keeping this team together during the bumpy road that led us to capturing a 2 seed. 27/5/6 on 50/40/92. We have never seen that kind of play in the history of this franchise...if anything, we need to appreciate this guy a bit more imo. Things went to hell the moment he got hurt.

I feel like I've critiqued Kyrie plenty for his 'unreliability' in my replies above to Proky and whoever else. I said my piece, and I'm not here to rag on the guy.

I totally agree that Kyrie's individual stats were godly, and that we should all be thrilled with how productive he was in pretty much every lineup. He's the real deal, and seems to get along just fine with his teammates. So Boston fans can keep sucking it, far as I'm concerned.

In terms of Kyrie's fit and ability to run the offense as a pure PG, that's another discussion. I feel like KD and Beard are the vital pillars to this team, and if Marks indeed trades Kyrie for defense, depth and talent (something like that), I'd probably be okay with that. At the same time, how would that work with extending Durant? Seems like pie in the sky, at the moment.

Kyrie is better at 2 guard. I would prefer Marks to tighten up the roster without giving up the unstoppable offensive firepower we have when all 3 are healthy

[ecuhus1981]

https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-mavericks-lakers-trade-nets-landry-shamet-nba-draft

As I stated, Shamet is the logical asset to leverage, in order to get off of DJ's contract. The Big 3 are going to push us into unprecedented luxury tax territory, so every dollar on the roster beyond them has to count.

[HardenGoat]

https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-mavericks-lakers-trade-nets-landry-shamet-nba-draft

As I stated, Shamet is the logical asset to leverage, in order to get off of DJ's contract. The Big 3 are going to push us into unprecedented luxury tax territory, so every dollar on the roster beyond them has to count.

You pretty much nailed it. Kudos!