Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green

[Phezmo123]

I see him as being amazing for our system and a huge contributor to successful regular seasons. But when we're in the playoffs first/second round we are going to run into the same problem we've had before and after Kawhi of not having a closer. I'd rather take the risk on Kuminga. He could be a huge misfire. But this kid is not Bruno.

To me, Suggs is a retooling move and Kuminga is a rebuilding move. If we choose Kuminga, then we should look to move Siakam/FVV since they’re now entering the prime.

Kuminga put up better numbers against better competition playing on a team w better players. He also is already physically built and can handle contact.


I think Kuminga puts up way better numbers on both ends of the floor than Suggs right from jump. Especially if a crap team like the magic take him?

He will average close to 20 and fill all the other stats imo

Now that I think about it, Masai's philosophy has always been to develop players while winning. I suppose we could continue winning with FVV/Siakam (in their prime) while developing OG/Kuminga/Malachi (several years from their prime).

[gha4life]

Why there's no one bring up Brandon Roy when we discuss Suggs ?

Brandon Roy is a different breed 6"5 mid range game is stupid , really shifty with the dribble ,creates his own shot off the dribble if he turns out like that i will be happy but different play style imo though

[nowayguy]

I think most people are assuming Suggs will improve his shot, as a lot of players do. Absolutely, you want the hands in the ball of a player who can shoot the ball or get easy baskets near the paint at the end of the game. If Suggs doesn't get there as a shooter then no one's going to be calling for him to take the shots near the end of the game.

My problem is that people seem to think clutch players / closers grow on trees. Here are the clutch stats from the NBA this year (spoilers - clutch hero Kawhi Leonard was pretty bad). http://www.82games.com/2021/CSORT11.HTM

I would rather take my chances with Suggs being the closer then anyone else who's going to be available at 4. He has the athletic traits (very quick and great speed) and overall game (gets to the paint, decent handle, good shooting form) that he could get there one day. Not saying he is there right now and wouldn't expect a rookie to be taking those shots.

Here are some basic Suggs shooting stats:

- 42% on his 2-point jumpers isn't amazing but it's pretty solid. He only took 50 2-point jumpers so you probably can't draw too much from that.
- 33% from three (35-104) isn't great but his form looks good shooting from NBA range. We all know the Raptors track record for improving three-point percentages.
- I'm not sure how to evaluate at his 2 point totals (120-204). The percentages and number of makes is pretty dang good but it's hard to judge whether Suggs athleticism will let him be super effective at the next level. As some have pointed out, he doesn't look amazing when he gets close to the basket and has to finish through contact.

[jimross]

Suggs is such a Raptor player. Fits this teams culture to a T. Just one of those guys that seems to have 'IT'. Winning player. I think his upside is being underrated here. If he can improve his shooting, which IMO seems likely I just don't see how this guy doesn't turn into an elite PG.

While Green and Mobley have higher upside my gut says Suggs is going to be the best player out of the bunch. With that being said you can't go wrong with any of these guys. What an absolutely amazing year to move up in the draft lottery.

[Clutch0z24]

To me, Suggs is a retooling move and Kuminga is a rebuilding move. If we choose Kuminga, then we should look to move Siakam/FVV since they’re now entering the prime.

Kuminga put up better numbers against better competition playing on a team w better players. He also is already physically built and can handle contact.


I think Kuminga puts up way better numbers on both ends of the floor than Suggs right from jump. Especially if a crap team like the magic take him?

He will average close to 20 and fill all the other stats imo

Now that I think about it, Masai's philosophy has always been to develop players while winning. I suppose we could continue winning with FVV/Siakam (in their prime) while developing OG/Kuminga/Malachi (several years from their prime).

Nope Kuminga is not a good shooter , With the way our team is constructed if you add Kuminga you gotta move Siakam or OG , Cause Kuminga imo is far away from being a 3 level scorer , His jumper is shaky and with OG And Siakam who can also be streaky on the 3pt line the Spacing would be one of the worst in the League with FVV Being our only threat ....The other guys fit the team more than Kuminga atm unless you are shaking up the Roster a bit to add Kuminga but i dont think thats a move id make ....Suggs/Green/Mobley all fit this team perfectly and add a need for us ...Kuminga is very much the same kinda player OG is

[NotMyKawhi]

Kuminga put up better numbers against better competition playing on a team w better players. He also is already physically built and can handle contact.


I think Kuminga puts up way better numbers on both ends of the floor than Suggs right from jump. Especially if a crap team like the magic take him?

He will average close to 20 and fill all the other stats imo

Now that I think about it, Masai's philosophy has always been to develop players while winning. I suppose we could continue winning with FVV/Siakam (in their prime) while developing OG/Kuminga/Malachi (several years from their prime).

Nope Kuminga is not a good shooter , With the way our team is constructed if you add Kuminga you gotta move Siakam or OG , Cause Kuminga imo is far away from being a 3 level scorer , His jumper is shaky and with OG And Siakam who can also be streaky on the 3pt line the Spacing would be one of the worst in the League with FVV Being our only threat ....The other guys fit the team more than Kuminga atm unless you are shaking up the Roster a bit to add Kuminga but i dont think thats a move id make ....Suggs/Green/Mobley all fit this team perfectly and add a need for us ...Kuminga is very much the same kinda player OG is

suggs isn't much better...at least Kuminga was shooting NBA 3s

[Clutch0z24]

Now that I think about it, Masai's philosophy has always been to develop players while winning. I suppose we could continue winning with FVV/Siakam (in their prime) while developing OG/Kuminga/Malachi (several years from their prime).

Nope Kuminga is not a good shooter , With the way our team is constructed if you add Kuminga you gotta move Siakam or OG , Cause Kuminga imo is far away from being a 3 level scorer , His jumper is shaky and with OG And Siakam who can also be streaky on the 3pt line the Spacing would be one of the worst in the League with FVV Being our only threat ....The other guys fit the team more than Kuminga atm unless you are shaking up the Roster a bit to add Kuminga but i dont think thats a move id make ....Suggs/Green/Mobley all fit this team perfectly and add a need for us ...Kuminga is very much the same kinda player OG is

suggs isn't much better...at least Kuminga was shooting NBA 3s

Suggs does all the other things better than Kuminga including shooting ....Better at attacking the rim (Even when hes smaller) Has better handles, Better Passer, Better leadership, Floor general potential, Clutch, Winner....Kuminga will be a good player don't get me wrong he does have skill as a player but in terms of tiers hes not on the same level as that top 4 atm....He has a chance to develop ofc but so Does Suggs and i think suggs fits the team better as well With Lowry being as good as gone

[WaltFrazier]

Suggs fast tempo would speed up the raptors offence:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-draft-jalen-suggs-fast-paced-tempo-could-put-a-jolt-into-toronto-raptors-offence/gjro0bg5trhm15ftuk523e99c

Suggs is one of those rare guys who not only will play great himself, but make other players better too.

[h4rrison]

Don’t hate but I think Raps might pass on Suggs if he drops to us.


I think he’s a bit overrated. He’s not particularly great at one thing. He’s a great player but I don’t see superstar/all star

His passing is elite which I think is due to him playing QB throughout high school. His outlet passes and fast break dimes are spot on.

[6ixSideSniper]

Suggs reminds me of Brandon Roy, he also has a thing with Paige Bueckers, so if they have a kid it ends up being born in Canada that probably means we’ll have a pretty player for Team Canada. Their kid plus Kawhis kid is the future of team Canada.

[Basketball_Jones]

Suggs reminds me of Brandon Roy, he also has a thing with Paige Bueckers, so if they have a kid it ends up being born in Canada that probably means we’ll have a pretty player for Team Canada. Their kid plus Kawhis kid is the future of team Canada.

Actually it’s with Hailey Vanlith.

[6ixSideSniper]

Suggs reminds me of Brandon Roy, he also has a thing with Paige Bueckers, so if they have a kid it ends up being born in Canada that probably means we’ll have a pretty player for Team Canada. Their kid plus Kawhis kid is the future of team Canada.

Actually it’s with Hailey Vanlith.

Oh damn he’s already moved on from Bueckers?

I’m drafting Green then.

[Jenga_tDot]

I have never been more excited for a draft since 2012 and coin toss ross.

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[CANsportsguru]

Jalen Suggs will be a perennial All-Star in this league. He competes at both ends of the floor, very high basketball IQ, he's a gym rat, great floor vision, he's a winner, decent athletism for a guard. I truly believe his shooting will get better as he has good mechanics and the work ethic to improve. With how Cade performed in the tournament I would put Suggs at number one.

Jalen Green it's just an athletic freak with very very quick step. That's basically all you can say about him. His shot mechanics will have to change for him to transition to the NBA game as he starts his shot very low so he'll get stripped a lot, he has virtually no defense he was routinely getting blown by in the G League, and he's like 170 lb and that's not enough bulk or muscle to handle NBA players. He just screams bust to me. Would take 3 to 5 years before you even have an idea what he'll be.