2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

[Dupp]

CP3 looking like he did in the Lakers series

Covid recovery. Some athletes have taken months to recover.

[PaulieWal]

lifelong cp3 fan here.

Clippers got screwed with that payne out of bounds though

Naw, then change the call the entire game. Makes no sense that 46 minutes of the game all these deflections are the offensive team's ball and in the last two minutes, now it goes to the defensive team. And these deflections happen what 15-20 times a game if not more. Consistency either way, otherwise no beuno.

[bondom34]

Honestly i think bucks gonna win it all this year.

i hope so, giannis is one of the most likeable stars in the league

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Same, not sure I trust them yet but a small market getting over the hump after hitting a ceiling the last few years would be cool.

[homecourtloss]

All guards went off against Lakers last playoffs. Murray wasn’t even that great he was much better against Utah.


Anyway dunno what that’s got to do with KDs game 5.

Game 5 of ecsf- legacy / perception changing game and series. Tough defensive team entirely focussed on kd.

49 - 17- 10 with 3 steals and 2 blocks. Dominated the game on both ends. Highly efficient while harden, who you keep bringing up had 5 points on 1 of 10. Harris also had 5 points and added nothin.

Jeff green was their second best player. He had a great game and it came entirely playing off KD.


Dude scored like 20 points in the fourth to carry his team. It was one of the best games ever no matter how you slice it.

It was one of the best games ever if you ignore a dozen games from the last two playoffs. I brought up harden specifcally to say he helped kd by drawing traps from bud, ill advised by not. If you're not going to read what i say, whatever lol

This is legit blasphemy of the highest order.

How is it blasphemous? It was a great game that got blown out of proportion in the moment. He’s also right in Harden getting trapped as he was and was playmaking.

Overall in the series, KD didn’t elevate the Nets offense and struggled without Harden and Irving on court.

KD with Kyrie and Harden off court:

43.5% eFG, 50% TS.
Nets’ ORtg: 83.5

Team on court rating:

Nets with KD: 104.8 ORtg, 106.3 DRtg, -1.5

[Prez]

When Bud isn't a complete dumbass and they're not self sabotaging, this Bucks defense is insane when locked in. PJ Tucker has been a revelation this postseason.

Jrue-Khris-PJ-Giannis-Lopez: 89.0 DRTG, by far #1 defensive unit with 50+ minutes this postseason

The biggest frustration for me is that they don't have Donte, who IMHO would've taken them to all-time level defensively. Very small sample size, but

Jrue-Donte-Khris-Giannis-Lopez: 77.9 DRTG

Hopefully they can bring back PJ and he's not washed after this playoff run and we get the full defensive squad next year

How confident are you they can keep this up? Tbh, even in Game 1 the Hawks were struggling big time and were bailed out by some insane shotmaking from Trae.

But on paper it feels like it should be a double digits win every time (I certainly didn't expect Atlanta to be down by more than 20 at any point in this series; but steadily 10-15 felt like it's supposed to be the norm given the personnel)

I saw a tweet with shot quality stats showing that the Bucks’ shot quality both in games 1 & 2 were among the highest in the entire playoffs, they shot ridiculously poorly in game 1 and still were within a possession and started hitting those looks game 2 and were up by 40. The Hawks through two games have had iirc a bottom 3 shot quality for a series this year (only 2 games and skewed by game 2, but still).

I feel confident saying they are the better team and SHOULD win this series, but they’re also prone to dumbass stretches as they don’t have a Paul, LeBron, Draymond type genius on the roster to keep them playing to their strengths. That said, PJ and Jrue have been essentially bullying Bud behind the scenes into making defensively adjustments so they at least have that lol. Hawks are a legitimately tough team and can win this series, but IMO it would be a real choke job if the Bucks stay healthy and lose this series.

Against Phoenix, I think with Donte I’d pick the Bucks in 6 or so, but without him to guard one of the Phoenix backcourt guys you’re asking a lot of Middleton in guarding Booker full time and needing to average 20+ the other end. As of right now I’d say barring injuries, 7 games and either team could win.

[Dupp]

lifelong cp3 fan here.

Clippers got screwed with that payne out of bounds though

Naw, then change the call the entire game. Makes no sense that 46 minutes of the game all these deflections are the offensive team's ball and in the last two minutes, now it goes to the defensive team. And these deflections happen what 15-20 times a game if not more. Consistency either way, otherwise no beuno.

If that’s how you view it that’s fine but I don’t agree. I do believe the last 2 minutes is more valuable than the previous 46 of a close game.


But that’s not really my point anyway. They’ve been reviewing all those calls all series. They had just called a Jump ball to get a call right. The ball was clearly out on Payne so it’s weird they didn’t do what they have been doing. Some reason they thought it was clearly out the other way

[Dupp]

Honestly i think bucks gonna win it all this year.

i hope so, giannis is one of the most likeable stars in the league

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Same, not sure I trust them yet but a small market getting over the hump after hitting a ceiling the last few years would be cool.

Socks with Sandals nice

[PaulieWal]

lifelong cp3 fan here.

Clippers got screwed with that payne out of bounds though

Naw, then change the call the entire game. Makes no sense that 46 minutes of the game all these deflections are the offensive team's ball and in the last two minutes, now it goes to the defensive team. And these deflections happen what 15-20 times a game if not more. Consistency either way, otherwise no beuno.

If that’s how you view it that’s fine but I don’t agree. I do believe the last 2 minutes is more valuable than the previous 46 of a close game.


But that’s not really my point anyway. They’ve been reviewing all those calls all series. They had just called a Jump ball to get a call right. The ball was clearly out on Payne so it’s weird they didn’t do what they have been doing. Some reason they thought it was clearly out the other way

So not only do we have RS reffing vs. PS reffing, we are literally creating different rules of the game for the first 46 minutes vs. the last two. Yeah, that to me makes 0 sense.

[TheGOATRises007]

It was one of the best games ever if you ignore a dozen games from the last two playoffs. I brought up harden specifcally to say he helped kd by drawing traps from bud, ill advised by not. If you're not going to read what i say, whatever lol

This is legit blasphemy of the highest order.

How is it blasphemous? It was a great game that got blown out of proportion in the moment. He’s also right in Harden getting trapped as he was and was playmaking.

Overall in the series, KD didn’t elevate the Nets offense and struggled without Harden and Irving on court.

KD with Kyrie and Harden off court:

43.5% eFG, 50% TS.
Nets’ ORtg: 83.5

Team on court rating:

Nets with KD: 104.8 ORtg, 106.3 DRtg, -1.5

You're citing series stats.

I'm specifically talking about game 5.

It didn't get blown out of proportion.

He had a TS of 81%, ORTG of 154 and DRTG of 103 with a BPM of 24.3

He played all 48 minutes and produced a stat-line no one else in NBA history did.

That is one of the best games an individual has ever had.

If you want to relay some footage of the Bucks constantly trapping Harden, go for it. I don't recall them trapping him at all once it was obvious 2-3 minutes in that he was completely gimpy.

[falcolombardi]

This is legit blasphemy of the highest order.

How is it blasphemous? It was a great game that got blown out of proportion in the moment. He’s also right in Harden getting trapped as he was and was playmaking.

Overall in the series, KD didn’t elevate the Nets offense and struggled without Harden and Irving on court.

KD with Kyrie and Harden off court:

43.5% eFG, 50% TS.
Nets’ ORtg: 83.5

Team on court rating:

Nets with KD: 104.8 ORtg, 106.3 DRtg, -1.5

You're citing series stats.

I'm specifically talking about game 5.

It didn't get blown out of proportion.

He had a TS of 81%, ORTG of 154 and DRTG of 103 with a BPM of 24.3

He played all 48 minutes and produced a stat-line no one else in NBA history did.

That is one of the best games an individual has ever had.

If you want to relay some footage of the Bucks constantly trapping Harden, go for it. I don't recall them trapping him at all once it was obvious 2-3 minutes in that he was completely gimpy.

for real, game 5 was legendary

the series as a whole was not quite as incredible once you realize the actual efficiency of durant/nets but the game 5 in particular was nearly perfect for durant

[bondom34]

I hadn't looked into it but didn't realize the splits for Giannis that Nets series. 32/13 on 59% TS with about a +36 on/off.

[Dupp]

It was one of the best games ever if you ignore a dozen games from the last two playoffs. I brought up harden specifcally to say he helped kd by drawing traps from bud, ill advised by not. If you're not going to read what i say, whatever lol

This is legit blasphemy of the highest order.

How is it blasphemous? It was a great game that got blown out of proportion in the moment. He’s also right in Harden getting trapped as he was and was playmaking.

Overall in the series, KD didn’t elevate the Nets offense and struggled without Harden and Irving on court.

KD with Kyrie and Harden off court:

43.5% eFG, 50% TS.
Nets’ ORtg: 83.5

Team on court rating:

Nets with KD: 104.8 ORtg, 106.3 DRtg, -1.5

This is mostly due to games 3 and 4 in Milwaukee right? The last 3 games he played like 2 minutes without harden, who of course missed the first 4 games. How many minutes did he even play without Irving? Bet that’s all game 4 when he went off injured. Point it’s I bet the sample size of those numbers is next to nothing.

Of course the teams gonna suck without harden and Kyrie, Harris might as well if been out too and not like they really have any other offensive players.


Anyway that’s still got nothing to do with the one specific game in question.

[Dupp]

Naw, then change the call the entire game. Makes no sense that 46 minutes of the game all these deflections are the offensive team's ball and in the last two minutes, now it goes to the defensive team. And these deflections happen what 15-20 times a game if not more. Consistency either way, otherwise no beuno.

If that’s how you view it that’s fine but I don’t agree. I do believe the last 2 minutes is more valuable than the previous 46 of a close game.


But that’s not really my point anyway. They’ve been reviewing all those calls all series. They had just called a Jump ball to get a call right. The ball was clearly out on Payne so it’s weird they didn’t do what they have been doing. Some reason they thought it was clearly out the other way

So not only do we have RS reffing vs. PS reffing, we are literally creating different rules of the game for the first 46 minutes vs. the last two. Yeah, that to me makes 0 sense.

I’m not the one making the rules. The rule is literally the refs can review it in the last 2 minutes. Which they had been and didn’t review that one for some reason. My issue is it’s inconsistent with how they’d been Reffing this game and previous games.

[AussieBuck]

Durant's game 7 was more impressive than the game 5 IMO. Game 5 was peak Bud derp like game one of the conference finals. We just let Durant attack a backpeddling Lopez off a high pick and roll over and over.

[Zarozzor]

Honestly i think bucks gonna win it all this year.

That’s also what I’m thinking right now. Paul looks like he may have some struggles recovering for a little while. Of course it could just be two bad games, but it’s taken some players longer to get back into normal shape than others.

[MartinToVaught]

This stat is just so Clippers, it hurts:

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Someone in the replies compared it to winning the popular vote and losing the Electoral College, which is spot on.

[falcolombardi]

This stat is just so Clippers, it hurts:

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Someone in the replies compared it to winning the popular vote and losing the Electoral College, which is spot on.

it happened to oklahoma both ways in 2016

spurs outscored us despite losing in 6 because of game 1 blowout (okc went 4-1 afterwards in close games)

then oklahoma outscored warriors but lost in 7, had not been for klay in game 6 thunder wins and who knows what happens vs cleveland

i honestly think thunder was the best team those playoffs

[BobbyPortisFan]

This is legit blasphemy of the highest order.

How is it blasphemous? It was a great game that got blown out of proportion in the moment. He’s also right in Harden getting trapped as he was and was playmaking.

Overall in the series, KD didn’t elevate the Nets offense and struggled without Harden and Irving on court.

KD with Kyrie and Harden off court:

43.5% eFG, 50% TS.
Nets’ ORtg: 83.5

Team on court rating:

Nets with KD: 104.8 ORtg, 106.3 DRtg, -1.5

You're citing series stats.

I'm specifically talking about game 5.

It didn't get blown out of proportion.

He had a TS of 81%, ORTG of 154 and DRTG of 103 with a BPM of 24.3

He played all 48 minutes and produced a stat-line no one else in NBA history did.

That is one of the best games an individual has ever had.

If you want to relay some footage of the Bucks constantly trapping Harden, go for it. I don't recall them trapping him at all once it was obvious 2-3 minutes in that he was completely gimpy.

I don't know what you think lisitng a bunch of stuff is supposed to prove. "Greatest" calls for a comparison. Durant is not the only player this postseason to go for near 50 with adverse circumstances.

[BobbyPortisFan]

This stat is just so Clippers, it hurts:

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Someone in the replies compared it to winning the popular vote and losing the Electoral College, which is spot on.

it happened to oklahoma both ways in 2016

spurs outscored us despite losing in 6 because of game 1 blowout (okc went 4-1 afterwards in close games)

then oklahoma outscored warriors but lost in 7, had not been for klay in game 6 thunder wins and who knows what happens vs cleveland

i honestly think thunder was the best team those playoffs

Well the warriors best player was injured so it evens out.

[Max123]

Who do you guys think right now are the top 5 players in the NBA if the criteria is who would increase the championship odds of a random team at the beginning of next season?

Obviously there are lots of questions to be asked and if’s when it comes to a thought exercise like this one but I’m just wondering how are people feeling right now.


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