2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Kobblehead]

PF is the weakest defensive position in the NBA right now. Scottie Barnes will dribble around virtually every person that attempts to guard him at that position. And he's going to power through the vast majority of defensive SFs that try to guard him. That's why he's such a unicorn. He's a true scoring F. As is Cade and Trendon.

[Kobblehead]

My whole thing with Ayo is...

why settle for a guy that can't slash, shoot or defend? Like damn, what's he even bringing to the table? Shake Milton level pick and role play and some secondary distributing?

There's just too many guys with more appealing skillsets that could be a legit answer IMO>

[stormi]

Davion Mitchell = Miles McBride

[76ciology]

My whole thing with Ayo is...

why settle for a guy that can't slash, shoot or defend? Like damn, what's he even bringing to the table? Shake Milton level pick and role play and some secondary distributing?

There's just too many guys with more appealing skillsets that could be a legit answer IMO>

There’s a really good chance he can just be like shake. But he seems to have better handle and is more shifty but Shake is a better shooter. He’s a better ball handler but not as good of a shooter whereas I think he can develop into a better shooter than shake can develop into a ball handler.

But what’s the alternative?

I dont want to use lotto pick for some role playing big like jalen johnson or sengun. Or maybe some guard who cant score like keon johnson.

I’d rather use lotto picks for butler, mitchell, bouknight, osunmu or moody.

[76ciology]

PF is the weakest defensive position in the NBA right now. Scottie Barnes will dribble around virtually every person that attempts to guard him at that position. And he's going to power through the vast majority of defensive SFs that try to guard him. That's why he's such a unicorn. He's a true scoring F. As is Cade and Trendon.

Who’s trendon?

[76ciology]

My top 10 after like 2 hours of youtube and looking at numbers
1-Green
2- Cunningham
3- Mobley
4- Suggs
5- Kuminga
6- Barnes
7- Wagner
8- Osunmu
9- Butler
10- Mitchell
11th: Bouknight

Duarte and Kispert are two guys I wouldnt mind having with our pick. Specially if i can get them with our 2nd round picks

Updated lol

1-Green
2- Cunningham
3- Mobley
4- Suggs
5- Bouknight
6- Kuminga
7- Barnes
8- Wagner
9- Osunmu
10- Butler
11th: Mitchell
12- Moody
13- Cameron Thomas

Mitchell got size issue for me.

Bouknight jumps for me because he can score, create and good height to wingspan ratio for me. He can be Jamal Murray 2.0, i think he’s gonna suprise people in the draft

[Negrodamus]

PF is the weakest defensive position in the NBA right now. Scottie Barnes will dribble around virtually every person that attempts to guard him at that position. And he's going to power through the vast majority of defensive SFs that try to guard him. That's why he's such a unicorn. He's a true scoring F. As is Cade and Trendon.

Who’s trendon?

Watford, LSU. He was underwhelming to me from the games I watched.

[76ciology]

PF is the weakest defensive position in the NBA right now. Scottie Barnes will dribble around virtually every person that attempts to guard him at that position. And he's going to power through the vast majority of defensive SFs that try to guard him. That's why he's such a unicorn. He's a true scoring F. As is Cade and Trendon.

Who’s trendon?

Watford, LSU. He was underwhelming to me from the games I watched.

Looking at the numbers, he’s also no good for me.

I’d rather have Cameron Thomas

[76ciology]

BPA in the draft does not mean BPA in the league.

That’s my principle right now.

We’re often like “this guy is a specimen. He looks like a future NBA allstar.”

Yeah.. maybe in the 90s.

I look at Jalen Johnson and Sengun and find their specs as usual guys drafted in the lottery. But if they’re playing in the league right now, teams would value guys like Butler, Mitchell, Osunmu and Bouknight.

Guys like Johnson and Sengun usually just ends up like Mo Bamba or Okongu.

[DCasey91]

Well you got Jalen Green at 1# which is great

This draft I’m not super high on (Have my 11 favs) besides Green.

Butler who I rate might be a pass in the end (Heart condition) which is tragic, he is NBA ready.

I’m looking to pair the big guy. Which should have been the case every step of the way.

In order of preference for our team:

1. Green: No brainer

2. Suggs: You want a leader well here is one and then some.

3. Mann: he will probably drop, his size isn’t great. His game is, like A grade polish. I’ll nickname him Mini Shai before anyone else lol

Fwiw skinny Jamal Murray might be Bouknight’s actual ceiling.

Murray had size in College and was more clinical.

Both had huge games at times. But Murray is the superior talent.

Anyway Green is the special one in this class. Nothing can change me on that (been like that for ages now since his 5th game was sold on him).

[DCasey91]

If Josh Christopher is available at our pick, then he either has massive red flags I don’t know about or the league is incompetent.

Huge red flags my man. Also Mitchell is very very overrated. He is more Marcus Smart then Donovan.

I preferred Butler’s game. Has abit of Kemba about him.

[DCasey91]

Is Josh Christopher really that good? I mean watching him play he doesn't look like he has an advanced handle or a good looking shot profile. Age and athleticism are on his side though for sure.

Yeah he’s not good for me. His numbers isnt checking out

Mate stop looking at the numbers. Watch them in real time ffs.

Christopher is BIG for the SG position. Needs a lot of polish but you can’t buy size and he loves to use it. Would not struggle at all finishing in the NBA in a short time.

Just sucks his mentality may not be there. But his tools are A grade stuff, that scouts love.

Christopher is more Mitchell then Mitchell is Mitchell lol

Very similar low dribble crossovers on them.

[76ciology]

Is Josh Christopher really that good? I mean watching him play he doesn't look like he has an advanced handle or a good looking shot profile. Age and athleticism are on his side though for sure.

Yeah he’s not good for me. His numbers isnt checking out

Mate stop looking at the numbers. Watch them in real time ffs.

Christopher is BIG for the SG position. Needs a lot of polish but you can’t buy size and he loves to use it. Would not struggle at all finishing in the NBA in a short time.

Just sucks his mentality may not be there. But his tools are A grade stuff, that scouts love.

Christopher is more Mitchell then Mitchell is Mitchell lol

Very similar low dribble crossovers on them.

I look at both numbers and clips. They have to check both boxes for me.

Im not that high on Mitchell because of his size. And prefer butler a lot more.

[stormi]

Mitchell >>>>> Christopher

Christopher has size/lateraljumping and age over Mitchell. Today though Mitchell is on another level. Just a way more cerebral basketball player on either side of the ball and a proven lead guard that can generate offense and set up his teammates up with pro level reads.

JC was only a freshman so if he were doing what Davion did this year he'd be solidly viewed within the top 5, but he wasn't near that. His size ~6'4 doesn't intrigue me enough to target him as a project pick with his poor shot selection tendency, twisted form and stiff handle. Also no playmaking in his bag whatsoever.

[DCasey91]

Where I come from it’s always who is the best when it’s said and done years from now. I don’t pay much mind to how good they are right now unless they still have a huge ceiling to potentially go to and is already NBA skilled at what they do... Hint Hint Jalen Green lol.

Luka was the same, everybody said he’s reached his ceiling when he entered. Those are people who never watched him and only watch clips and stats. Eurobasket, not even Euroleague the kid was very very special. We are talking about young males here

It’s over a decade now I trust my eyes in real time and slow mo more then anything else.

I look for general indicators (FT %, FT rate, TS%, 3ball, BPM) but as with anything it comes with a caveat.

I believe Cade is closer to his ceiling (Body) then Green. And I have them basically at evens in terms of their actual skillsets in the NBA.

Transferability reigns supreme in the NBA. Athleticism caps the ceiling but once again this isn’t a general rule of thumb here.

You watch 15+ pounds run the exact same sets as Beal on/off ball, they’ll be threads in 3 years time asking if Green is a top 15 NBA player in the comp.

If you check the ‘Vid’ highlights on the draft board it’s all there on the analysis of him.

He’s my fav since Luka (Zion was too but that body and being human works at two different hemispheres, I believe he has GOAT torque, meaning off the line go power is absurd).

[Kobblehead]

More than ever, I've valuing skillsets over metrics.

I'm tired of efficient colleges players with good plus/minus stats that can't score off the dribble.

[DCasey91]

BPA in the draft does not mean BPA in the league.

That’s my principle right now.

We’re often like “this guy is a specimen. He looks like a future NBA allstar.”

Yeah.. maybe in the 90s.

I look at Jalen Johnson and Sengun and find their specs as usual guys drafted in the lottery. But if they’re playing in the league right now, teams would value guys like Butler, Mitchell, Osunmu and Bouknight.

Guys like Johnson and Sengun usually just ends up like Mo Bamba or Okongu.

Double O wait on him, bigs take time. I agree about Sengun though he is very very talented.

I’m interesting to see what’s to come about on Roko Prackin in the future years.

Also Simons for the next year. I reckon him and GTJ will breakout along with Ball.

[Kobblehead]

Okongu is a stud. He got drafted to a team with a starter already in place (Capela) so it's going to take him a couple of years before he's known. Make no mistake, he's a surefire stud.

Jalen Johnson is Ben Simmons, defensively. Pure elite defensive specimen. Problem with him is he doesn't have much dribble game and his personality is dogshhh. He's quit on like every team he's ever played on.

[Kobblehead]

My top 10 after like 2 hours of youtube and looking at numbers
1-Green
2- Cunningham
3- Mobley
4- Suggs
5- Kuminga
6- Barnes
7- Wagner
8- Osunmu
9- Butler
10- Mitchell
11th: Bouknight

Duarte and Kispert are two guys I wouldnt mind having with our pick. Specially if i can get them with our 2nd round picks

Updated lol

1-Green
2- Cunningham
3- Mobley
4- Suggs
5- Bouknight
6- Kuminga
7- Barnes
8- Wagner
9- Osunmu
10- Butler
11th: Mitchell
12- Moody
13- Cameron Thomas

Mitchell got size issue for me.

Bouknight jumps for me because he can score, create and good height to wingspan ratio for me. He can be Jamal Murray 2.0, i think he’s gonna suprise people in the draft

I think you're missing the boat on Tre Mann, tbh. I think he's easily better than every guard other than possibly Jalen Green. I actually think Mann has better scoring moves than Green, it's just Green is a better defensive player.

[Kobblehead]

If we're somehow able to secure Tre Mann in this draft and retain Tyrese Maxey through all the trade noise, I honestly feel the most confident I ever did in this team's ability to win an eventual championship with Embiid in the next 3-5 years.