Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[daoneandonly]

CJ McCollum makes 32 mil each of the next 3 years, come on guys. He's not worth anything close to that

KP for McCollum would be bad contract for bad contract. The money washes out.

I'd much rather have KP. When he tries, he can be a decent defender. CJ is worthless on D, older, and vastly overrated. Nurk is even more injury prone than KP

[Mr B]

CJ McCollum makes 32 mil each of the next 3 years, come on guys. He's not worth anything close to that

KP for McCollum would be bad contract for bad contract. The money washes out.

I'd much rather have KP. When he tries, he can be a decent defender. CJ is worthless on D, older, and vastly overrated. Nurk is even more injury prone than KP

See I’m thinking CJ would actually improve playing with Luka. Dame is great but he’s not the passer that Luka is. If CJ gets the looks that THJ had he’s probably putting up 25 points a game. Can’t argue about Nurk. He does seem to get hurt a lot more since he broke his leg. When healthy though he provides the beef in the paint that KP simply doesn’t have.


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[JD45]

Just brainstorming here…

KP and THJ to the Blazers for McCullum and Nurk?


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McCollum would be good to add, but I think this would be a lateral move. Taking on a bad contract works to improve the team if you are getting more talent in exchange for cost savings. They would like to save money by getting rid of McCollum so they can sign Norm Powell. So the Mavs could just use their cap room to sign Norm Powell themselves (and keep KP). Or they could use cap space for a lopsided trade for Burke (and Terry or Green or draft pick) for McCollum.

[JD45]

KP for McCollum would be bad contract for bad contract. The money washes out.

I'd much rather have KP. When he tries, he can be a decent defender. CJ is worthless on D, older, and vastly overrated. Nurk is even more injury prone than KP

See I’m thinking CJ would actually improve playing with Luka. Dame is great but he’s not the passer that Luka is. If CJ gets the looks that THJ had he’s probably putting up 25 points a game. Can’t argue about Nurk. He does seem to get hurt a lot more since he broke his leg. When healthy though he provides the beef in the paint that KP simply doesn’t have.


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Nurkic is a good defender and he can post up a bit. But he doesn't shoot 3s. I don't know what kind of offense Kidd's staff will implement, but hard to see how a C that doesn't shoot 3s is going to make things easier for Luka. He is like a lesser version of Gobert and LAC exploited Gobert in the playoffs. Nurkic is a career 67% free throw shooter, so his odds of developing a 3pt shot probably worse than KP developing a post up game vs wings.

[BlueSan]

This offseason is becoming a bigger clusterF by the minute.

What's up with Cuban's stupid statements about Porzingis that make it harder for Dallas to do anything.
If he stays hearing that is just going to make relationships worse if he is on the way out, his trade value goes further down. What the hack is this guy thinking...

[XTraderXL]

Cuban with some more smart comments I see. Way to make KP happy LOL

[Mavrelous]

Nothing wrong with Cuban's comments, KP is an off ball player primarily, Mavs need another creator off the dribble, and they need to feed him, what KP sucked at last year is defense, KP himself complained that he needs ball movement to be effective.

[BlueSan]

sure and everything will be fine in the locker room and he'll do his role perfectly with maximum effort on the court

[Mavrelous]

I sure hope so, Cuban didn't say it as a criticism but rather defense of him, KP is not physically strong to post up and is too tall to put it on the floor in congested areas, he's best utilized as a finisher and rim protector, RC didn't use him like that on offense, and KP's own fault (or the injury) is at fault for defense, I'd focus on fixing these 2 things.

[JJP]

Cuban can state the obvious. I'm not sure anyone needs to walk on pins and needles because it might hurt KPs feelings. He's a grown man who was practically a no-show in the playoffs. He can handle it, and if he can't - or won't because he wants out - then I'm sure ownership will oblige him.

[arkuo]

Can Dallas sign Demar Derozan, then go over the cap to sign THJ using his bird rights?

That's a simple move that can get you a scorer. DFS moves to the bench. Let Boban, Redick, JRich, and WCS walk. Trade Brunson for Mitchell Robinson. Sign Kris Dunn with the full MLE as an over the cap team.

C - Porzingis / Robinson
PF- Kleber / Powell
SF- Derozan / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Dunn / Burke

[JD45]

Can Dallas sign Demar Derozan, then go over the cap to sign THJ using his bird rights?

Nope. To have cap room to sign Derozan they will have to renounce THJ's bird rights. Otherwise, he would have a $28 mil cap hold and they would have no cap space.

[arkuo]

Can Dallas sign Demar Derozan, then go over the cap to sign THJ using his bird rights?

Nope. To have cap room to sign Derozan they will have to renounce THJ's bird rights. Otherwise, he would have a $28 mil cap hold and they would have no cap space.

So I guess it's either or. Dallas either chooses to keep THJ or upgrade him with a guy who can create his own shot. This would depend on how Kidd would work now. My guess is the latter. Derozan at a 2+1 deal (3rd year team option) means you have flexibility at 2023 when both him and KP can leave.

For THJ that's most likely a fresh 4 to 5 year deal for him to show up big. That's a Klay Thomspon like performance once every 5 games.

[boogiezen]

That KP contract eats Dallas' cap space.

[Apz]

If Derozan and Holmes could both sign within the $35M budget, I'd say that's a good haul under the circumstances.

C - Porzingis / Powell
PF - Holmes / Kleber
SF - DFS / Green
SG - Derozan / Burke / MLE guy
PG - Doncic / Brunson

That's a tall team too. Derozan, Doncic and Dorian are all 6'7 or 6'8.

Seems like a team with no shooter. How effective is a luka team without shooters? I would say a tanking team. What players been best since luka joined? Seth curry, thj, after that dfs and kleber. Its pretty much, the better 3 point shooter, the more u will get out of them

[arkuo]

That KP contract eats Dallas' cap space.

Yeah. No team is giving expiring contracts for KP now. They'll have to send you more bad contracts broken down in smaller denominations of 2 or 3 players. You probably get 1 useful player but have to absorb the other 2 in your payroll. Which at this point doesn't make sense. Better to keep him for a better deal IF he gets his value back up.

[Apz]

Depends. If derozan get the 5m/year he is worth something probably could be worked out. But he thinks he is a star and should get 25. Zero intrest in paying such a flawed player.

[Pointguard01]

They like Hayward.

In order to trade KP, the trading partner needs something besides a big man. In most cases, they need to get rid of big salaried player that wants out or the franchise needs him out. Hayward is not that guy. They don't want to trade him.

Which teams are in luxury tax hell at the moment and might be looking to dump salaries?


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This is EXACTLY the strategy I want is to follow. I’d be looking to target an overpaid (yet talented) player that is on a “bad” contract, alongside gaining assets. Old school Dallas Mavericks where we got Jerry Stackhouse, Nick Van Exel. It’s actually what we did with Tim Hardaway Jr.

Two ideas I’d fully support:

- Kevin Love (can we snag Colin Sexton?)
- Andrew Wiggins (can we snag the 14th pick?)

Use our cap space to take in salary, get another asset, and gain a talented player who you can reclaim their career. Dallas might have to throw in some value in some scenarios (Brunson, Green) but that’s the strategy I prefer. We just need talent and contracts that we can then move later.

[JD45]

Depends. If derozan get the 5m/year he is worth something probably could be worked out. But he thinks he is a star and should get 25. Zero intrest in paying such a flawed player.

I bet he gets $30+ million.

[arkuo]

Depends. If derozan get the 5m/year he is worth something probably could be worked out. But he thinks he is a star and should get 25. Zero intrest in paying such a flawed player.

20 to 25M is right about market price. Mava paid Barnes 24M 6 years ago? You add inflation and such into that and 20M feels like a bargain for that player if you take into account that guys like Nerlens Noel almost got 17M and Davis Bertans got 18M. This isnt 2005 anymore. You go back to that mindset and Cuban will sign Monta Ellis types to 1 year deals until he gets Kawhi.