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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1801 » by The-Power » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:59 pm

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Godaddycurse wrote:Yea i'm thinking a 3-4 team deal where draymond+7+14 goes out for Simmons(+) would make the most sense.
As painful as it would be to let go of Draymond, yeah, the FO would jump at that value.

I really hope they would not. Doesn't get us any closer to a championship next year and not sure it's the best move for the future either. People still don't realize how massively important Draymond is and that we should not consider trading him – unless it's for a superstar – if our goal is to win a championship while Steph is still in his prime?
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1802 » by ILOVEIT » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:14 pm

Warriors are goning to get PG or Kawhi. :) Clips can't get past much even when the west is wide open for them. I think Clipper blow it up or Kawhi asks out...
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Post#1803 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:48 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Warriors are goning to get PG or Kawhi. :) Clips can't get past much even when the west is wide open for them. I think Clipper blow it up or Kawhi asks out...


I think the Clips are just screwed.
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Post#1804 » by xdrta+ » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:50 pm

With his injury issues it would take a lot of faith for any team to sign Kawhi to a big contract.
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Post#1805 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:40 pm

xdrta+ wrote:With his injury issues it would take a lot of faith for any team to sign Kawhi to a big contract.


Except the Clippers, they essentially have to pony up the money.
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1806 » by killmongrel » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:04 pm

Did I just read that Kawhi is unhappy with the Clippers medical team? Here we go.
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Post#1807 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:25 pm

killmongrel wrote:Did I just read that Kawhi is unhappy with the Clippers medical team? Here we go.


Count me as not surprised.

He's mad that the Clippers are not somehow controlling the media and fan discussion about him. How they are to do that he doesn't care.
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Post#1808 » by cpower » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:12 am

3 ways trade with Clippers and Portland?
PG to warriors
Lillard to clippers
Wiseman/Wiggins + Mann+ #7 + #14 +#25 to portland
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Post#1809 » by killmongrel » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:20 am

cpower wrote:3 ways trade with Clippers and Portland?
PG to warriors
Lillard to clippers
Wiseman/Wiggins + #7 + #14 to portland


Clippers have to give up more than that.
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Post#1810 » by cpower » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:23 am

killmongrel wrote:
cpower wrote:3 ways trade with Clippers and Portland?
PG to warriors
Lillard to clippers
Wiseman/Wiggins + #7 + #14 to portland


Clippers have to give up more than that.

add Mann and #25
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Post#1811 » by Commodor » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:24 am

cpower wrote:3 ways trade with Clippers and Portland?
PG to warriors
Lillard to clippers
Wiseman/Wiggins + #7 + #14 to portland


I have Lillard as more valuable than PG so LAC should be sending out more value. I’d think we could keep Wiseman in this situation and they can Zubac or Mann. Portland already has a relatively young Nurk anyways.
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Post#1812 » by DangerZone13 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:37 am

Apologies for my intrusion, but to propose a variant Siakam/Wiggins deal:

GS: Siakam, Boucher, Jalen Harris, #47
Siakam can slot in at 3 as he and Anunoby were interchangeable 3/4 this year. He's not a Championship #1 option, but he's a hell of a Pippen, and operating in the space provided by the Splash Bros. would see people forget about how he looked when trying to be "The Guy" since Kawhi left. Boucher seems to be a favourite around here, and would provide a lot in your system. Harris showed he's worthy of bench minutes down the stretch of the season. I'm actuslly curious how he develops, but since Suggs and keeping GTJ are likely, the Raps can only develop so many young'uns. #47 lets you find some end-of- bench depth. The sentiment seems to be to get win-now guys, with little time for development. You still need a big body for when Boucher is too thin to guard Jokic/Embiid, but that should be do-able with another deal later. I think the opportunity cost of the picks is made up by making the most of Steph and Klay's prime. Championships over potential.

TOR: Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14
This allows the Raptors to reset their timeline around Anunoby and #4, with FVV holding down Lowry's leadership role. The Raptors pride themselves on player development and scouting, so it sets them up to capitalize on it. The idea would be to build a base for when Wiggins becomes a FA to try to attract a star. If the Raptors land Suggs as seems to be the consensus, they've got some interesting young players, and decent depth except at the 4, which they likely try to fill with #7. OG likely slides to the 4, and Wiggins starts at the 3. The team won't be great out the gate, but they won't be terrible. It allows a soft-rebuild without going through the losing dregs that can damage a young player's development.

*I'm a big fan of Pascal, and having done security for him, have gotta say he's a pretty great, and genuine dude. That said, I accept he isnt a #1 option, and the Raptors don't have a path to acquire one to fit his prime window. I think Toronto's best move is to do a reset, and if Siakam had to move, I would love to see him in your system, as I really think you'd have a 3 headed fire breathing dragon on your hands.

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Post#1813 » by cpower » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:02 am

Commodor wrote:
cpower wrote:3 ways trade with Clippers and Portland?
PG to warriors
Lillard to clippers
Wiseman/Wiggins + #7 + #14 to portland


I have Lillard as more valuable than PG so LAC should be sending out more value. I’d think we could keep Wiseman in this situation and they can Zubac or Mann. Portland already has a relatively young Nurk anyways.

Wiseman is the key to this trade though. Nurk has one year and will be asking a lot. Portland can go full rebuild mode trading Roco and CJ if needed
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Post#1814 » by Commodor » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:11 am

cpower wrote:
Commodor wrote:
cpower wrote:3 ways trade with Clippers and Portland?
PG to warriors
Lillard to clippers
Wiseman/Wiggins + #7 + #14 to portland


I have Lillard as more valuable than PG so LAC should be sending out more value. I’d think we could keep Wiseman in this situation and they can Zubac or Mann. Portland already has a relatively young Nurk anyways.

Wiseman is the key to this trade though. Nurk has one year and will be asking a lot. Portland can go full rebuild mode trading Roco and CJ if needed


We’re still paying Lillard’s price for PG. May as well take Lillard for ourselves then.
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1815 » by cpower » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:15 am

Commodor wrote:
cpower wrote:
Commodor wrote:
I have Lillard as more valuable than PG so LAC should be sending out more value. I’d think we could keep Wiseman in this situation and they can Zubac or Mann. Portland already has a relatively young Nurk anyways.

Wiseman is the key to this trade though. Nurk has one year and will be asking a lot. Portland can go full rebuild mode trading Roco and CJ if needed


We’re still paying Lillard’s price for PG. May as well take Lillard for ourselves then.

why do we need Lillard on this team? we need PG to guard other teams best players
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Post#1816 » by Commodor » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:35 am

cpower wrote:
Commodor wrote:
cpower wrote:Wiseman is the key to this trade though. Nurk has one year and will be asking a lot. Portland can go full rebuild mode trading Roco and CJ if needed


We’re still paying Lillard’s price for PG. May as well take Lillard for ourselves then.

why do we need Lillard on this team? we need PG to guard other teams best players


We can at least trade him for fair value instead of improving a division rival.
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Post#1817 » by Coxy » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:41 am

DangerZone13 wrote:Apologies for my intrusion, but to propose a variant Siakam/Wiggins deal:

GS: Siakam, Boucher, Jalen Harris, #47
Siakam can slot in at 3 as he and Anunoby were interchangeable 3/4 this year. He's not a Championship #1 option, but he's a hell of a Pippen, and operating in the space provided by the Splash Bros. would see people forget about how he looked when trying to be "The Guy" since Kawhi left. Boucher seems to be a favourite around here, and would provide a lot in your system. Harris showed he's worthy of bench minutes down the stretch of the season. I'm actuslly curious how he develops, but since Suggs and keeping GTJ are likely, the Raps can only develop so many young'uns. #47 lets you find some end-of- bench depth. The sentiment seems to be to get win-now guys, with little time for development. You still need a big body for when Boucher is too thin to guard Jokic/Embiid, but that should be do-able with another deal later. I think the opportunity cost of the picks is made up by making the most of Steph and Klay's prime. Championships over potential.

TOR: Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14
This allows the Raptors to reset their timeline around Anunoby and #4, with FVV holding down Lowry's leadership role. The Raptors pride themselves on player development and scouting, so it sets them up to capitalize on it. The idea would be to build a base for when Wiggins becomes a FA to try to attract a star. If the Raptors land Suggs as seems to be the consensus, they've got some interesting young players, and decent depth except at the 4, which they likely try to fill with #7. OG likely slides to the 4, and Wiggins starts at the 3. The team won't be great out the gate, but they won't be terrible. It allows a soft-rebuild without going through the losing dregs that can damage a young player's development.

*I'm a big fan of Pascal, and having done security for him, have gotta say he's a pretty great, and genuine dude. That said, I accept he isnt a #1 option, and the Raptors don't have a path to acquire one to fit his prime window. I think Toronto's best move is to do a reset, and if Siakam had to move, I would love to see him in your system, as I really think you'd have a 3 headed fire breathing dragon on your hands.

Golden State has been my 2nd team since I was a kid - I actually wanted the Raptors to keep Antawn Jamison, so I also became a Warriors fan, and those era jerseys definitely helped. I suppose young me had a thing for the underdogs, and it's been great to see both franchises rise!


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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1818 » by FNQ » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:51 am

DangerZone13 wrote:Apologies for my intrusion, but to propose a variant Siakam/Wiggins deal:

GS: Siakam, Boucher, Jalen Harris, #47
Siakam can slot in at 3 as he and Anunoby were interchangeable 3/4 this year. He's not a Championship #1 option, but he's a hell of a Pippen, and operating in the space provided by the Splash Bros. would see people forget about how he looked when trying to be "The Guy" since Kawhi left. Boucher seems to be a favourite around here, and would provide a lot in your system. Harris showed he's worthy of bench minutes down the stretch of the season. I'm actuslly curious how he develops, but since Suggs and keeping GTJ are likely, the Raps can only develop so many young'uns. #47 lets you find some end-of- bench depth. The sentiment seems to be to get win-now guys, with little time for development. You still need a big body for when Boucher is too thin to guard Jokic/Embiid, but that should be do-able with another deal later. I think the opportunity cost of the picks is made up by making the most of Steph and Klay's prime. Championships over potential.

TOR: Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14
This allows the Raptors to reset their timeline around Anunoby and #4, with FVV holding down Lowry's leadership role. The Raptors pride themselves on player development and scouting, so it sets them up to capitalize on it. The idea would be to build a base for when Wiggins becomes a FA to try to attract a star. If the Raptors land Suggs as seems to be the consensus, they've got some interesting young players, and decent depth except at the 4, which they likely try to fill with #7. OG likely slides to the 4, and Wiggins starts at the 3. The team won't be great out the gate, but they won't be terrible. It allows a soft-rebuild without going through the losing dregs that can damage a young player's development.

*I'm a big fan of Pascal, and having done security for him, have gotta say he's a pretty great, and genuine dude. That said, I accept he isnt a #1 option, and the Raptors don't have a path to acquire one to fit his prime window. I think Toronto's best move is to do a reset, and if Siakam had to move, I would love to see him in your system, as I really think you'd have a 3 headed fire breathing dragon on your hands.

Golden State has been my 2nd team since I was a kid - I actually wanted the Raptors to keep Antawn Jamison, so I also became a Warriors fan, and those era jerseys definitely helped. I suppose young me had a thing for the underdogs, and it's been great to see both franchises rise!


This is why, if dealing with TOR, I'd rather just go for Boucher and try and meet that price

I think #14 is more than fair for Boucher, so the rest of the deal here boils down to Siakam for Wiggins, Wiseman, and #7. Fact is Wiggins holds value to us as a player, and no team's fans are willing to meet us at that price. Every Wiggins deal makes it like a favor for taking him off our hands, and we won't see it that way. We're way too cap-strapped to care about his pricetag.
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1819 » by DangerZone13 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:31 am

Admittedly. I'm a big Siakam fan, so I may well be overvaluing him compared to Wiggins here. I'm curious what alteration might be made to the deal that would make it fair, or is it a matter of not being interested in Spicy?

Siakam, Harris.
For
Wiggins, Wiseman, #14?

Again, I think he would actually have more value in GS than TO because he would be in a more natural position for his skills.
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?) 

Post#1820 » by killmongrel » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:53 am

DangerZone13 wrote:Admittedly. I'm a big Siakam fan, so I may well be overvaluing him compared to Wiggins here. I'm curious what alteration might be made to the deal that would make it fair, or is it a matter of not being interested in Spicy?

Siakam, Harris.
For
Wiggins, Wiseman, #14?

Again, I think he would actually have more value in GS than TO because he would be in a more natural position for his skills.


Most Warriors fans, including myself, are just not interested in Siakam. We are willing to pay close to a super star package for PG13. Siakam just doesn't move the needle for us. Like others have said, maybe a deal can be made for Boucher. But Siakam just doesn't make sense for our team.

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