MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[unowen85]

Butler has been the only whale/superstar that has actually wanted to play for the Heat and Spo in like the past five years. Trading him would be a disaster for the franchise.

[RexBoyWonder]

You don’t trade Tyler Herro for anything less than a package that features an Allstar player.

Every fan is being unreasonable with Herro. He had an impactful rookie season and then didn’t take the step everyone was expecting (although improved statistically in many facets) and everyone wants to get rid of him.

Bam, Winslow, nor Precious showed that much skill in their first year, nor in their 2nd.

Riley isn’t getting rid of the kid unless it’s for a far superior talent.

Yea...'I'm not sure you want to use those examples. Winslow could be considered a bust. Precious is in a very tight spot with almost no way of getting real minutes under Spo.

The reality is we can't have both ways - you either try to win now with Jimmy (in that case Herro and Precious should probably be moved for more ready to win players) or we're not really trying to go all in - in that case we better off trading Jimmy for future assets and young players and hope this young team gets a lot better 3/4 years from now.

Pretty much. Unless Bam and Herro go supernova next year, we've put ourselves in a tough spot for real contention. I mean, it could be worse than what we've assembled, but the ultimate goal of winning it all is going to require more pieces. We still have maneuverability with that this offseason, but it's really a make or break offseason for "this" team to come together during Jimmy's timeline. We have to get lucky with some trades. That cap space we had, then donated to Bam's future fund, is pretty much unusable. We have to sign and trade our way into some deals.

Having said that, we're going to have to take some risks. I'm not a fan of Kristaps injury woes. Paying a cheerleader max money is pretty crazy, and franchise crippling..... However, when you have no other valid options, you gamble on potential upside. At his healthy peak, he's a mismatch problem who isn't going to be shy about taking shots. That last bit has been a hinderance for us, as our top two players definitely love to defer. Hell, Jimmy practically preaches deference. We need more guys who won't think twice about getting shots up. That's another reason I like that Sexton could be available as well.

You Naild it DOM, it's a make it or break it type offseason for us.

We need to be aggressive and try to add a couple of high end starters, real ready-now type scorers. They might need to be unproven or injury-risk types, but you've got to aim for the fences with trades and free agents signings.

IF WE CAN'T pull it off - meaning there's no real way to add good enough players for our modest assets/ or we don't believe in anyone's whos available upside - we might need to blow it up.

We can't just knowingly go into treadmill territory with aging Jimmy on a long term max deal. That's not good for anything.

Get significantly better or go home and rebuild. We ain't bout that 7 seed life.

[RexBoyWonder]

BTW what's kinda stings me is - We we're just so passive and missed some great opportunities to be better.

It's not just not Keeping Crowder, (I think we could have found a way), Guys like Christian Wood who is the rare fit next to Bam was available for cheap, and we all saw him coming before Rockets signed him. Norman Powell was very available. Quickly and Maxey we're eight there, but we choose a guy that our coach won't play next to our max guy.

We just missed on a lot of moves that could've been very impactful.

We have to nail a couple of moves this offseason.

[DayofMourning]

BTW what's kinda stings me is - We we're just so passive and missed some great opportunities to be better.

It's not just not Keeping Crowder, (I think we could have found a way), Guys like Christian Wood who is the rare fit next to Bam was available for cheap, and we all saw him coming before Rockets signed him. Norman Powell was very available. Quickly and Maxey we're eight there, but we choose a guy that our coach won't play next to our max guy.

We just missed on a lot of moves that could've been very impactful.

We have to nail a couple of moves this offseason.

How would our team have looked with Wood, CP3 and Crowder this year?

[Bishop45]

You don’t trade Tyler Herro for anything less than a package that features an Allstar player.

Every fan is being unreasonable with Herro. He had an impactful rookie season and then didn’t take the step everyone was expecting (although improved statistically in many facets) and everyone wants to get rid of him.

Bam, Winslow, nor Precious showed that much skill in their first year, nor in their 2nd.

Riley isn’t getting rid of the kid unless it’s for a far superior talent.

Yea...'I'm not sure you want to use those examples. Winslow could be considered a bust. Precious is in a very tight spot with almost no way of getting real minutes under Spo.

The reality is we can't have both ways - you either try to win now with Jimmy (in that case Herro and Precious should probably be moved for more ready to win players) or we're not really trying to go all in - in that case we better off trading Jimmy for future assets and young players and hope this young team gets a lot better 3/4 years from now.

Pretty much. Unless Bam and Herro go supernova next year, we've put ourselves in a tough spot for real contention. I mean, it could be worse than what we've assembled, but the ultimate goal of winning it all is going to require more pieces. We still have maneuverability with that this offseason, but it's really a make or break offseason for "this" team to come together during Jimmy's timeline. We have to get lucky with some trades. That cap space we had, then donated to Bam's future fund, is pretty much unusable. We have to sign and trade our way into some deals.

Having said that, we're going to have to take some risks. I'm not a fan of Kristaps injury woes. Paying a cheerleader max money is pretty crazy, and franchise crippling..... However, when you have no other valid options, you gamble on potential upside. At his healthy peak, he's a mismatch problem who isn't going to be shy about taking shots. That last bit has been a hinderance for us, as our top two players definitely love to defer. Hell, Jimmy practically preaches deference. We need more guys who won't think twice about getting shots up. That's another reason I like that Sexton could be available as well.

I said these things last offseason

[BenoUdrihFTL]

BTW what's kinda stings me is - We we're just so passive and missed some great opportunities to be better.

It's not just not Keeping Crowder, (I think we could have found a way), Guys like Christian Wood who is the rare fit next to Bam was available for cheap, and we all saw him coming before Rockets signed him. Norman Powell was very available. Quickly and Maxey we're eight there, but we choose a guy that our coach won't play next to our max guy.

We just missed on a lot of moves that could've been very impactful.

We have to nail a couple of moves this offseason.

How would our team have looked with Wood, CP3 and Crowder this year?

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[heater4life]

You don’t trade Tyler Herro for anything less than a package that features an Allstar player.

Every fan is being unreasonable with Herro. He had an impactful rookie season and then didn’t take the step everyone was expecting (although improved statistically in many facets) and everyone wants to get rid of him.

Bam, Winslow, nor Precious showed that much skill in their first year, nor in their 2nd.

Riley isn’t getting rid of the kid unless it’s for a far superior talent.

Yea...'I'm not sure you want to use those examples. Winslow could be considered a bust. Precious is in a very tight spot with almost no way of getting real minutes under Spo.

The reality is we can't have both ways - you either try to win now with Jimmy (in that case Herro and Precious should probably be moved for more ready to win players) or we're not really trying to go all in - in that case we better off trading Jimmy for future assets and young players and hope this young team gets a lot better 3/4 years from now.

I have no issue using those examples because of where those players stood in the eyes of Heat fans at those points in their careers (showing less skill to boot). I’m not arguing what any of those players actually developed into. Even in respect to his own draft class, the majority of the players taken ahead of him had worst seasons.

Herro, 2 years into his career, is getting undo flack for regressing in two statistical categories 3pt% and FT%, after playing through the shortest turnaround in NBA history.

People were expecting too much too soon. That doesn’t strip the kid of the talent he has nor what he can develop into.

[twix2500]

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Aspect of Adams game that will make him a great fit like Bogut was to the Warriors.

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Aspect of Lowry game to make him a great fit.

Getting Lowry and Adams that would give the Heat high level vets at a cost that fits. Then solidify the bench with the MLE, use half on players like Rudy Gay and James Johnson. The other half save for a buyout player like Love. Solidify the bench with bird rights of Ariza and Nunn.

Internal development has to be dependent on and can be expected. Bam has improved every year, I'm sure Riley and Spo gave Bam there off-season expectations from him. Bam is going to have to take responsibility as a scorer. He has the talent, he has the skill, he just need to develop the game. They committed star money to him, starting next season, star play is expected. Bam has improved every year, so we should expect him to improve next season as well. He got the money, we have to treat him as such and see him through. Bam has 20 pts a game in the bag without being aggressive. Shoot the ball will be the expected goal for Bam. Pressure him and have patience or what I call patiently persistent.

Internal development of Herro. I've been hard on Herro because many been baby soft on him. I'm not disappointed in him, his development is going as I expected. He went through a sophomore struggles, which is natural. He gotten a good taste of the lifestyle, if models commercials and a baby. Third season is to see where his maturity level is to respond to it. He has to recognize to keep this lifestyle he gonna have to focus and work hard. He is a smart player, hopefully he is mentally strong as well. He has to try and take Robinson starting spot, not just give it to him.

If we can retain Nunn with Duncan, it could give the Heat a very deadly bench mob core. It's very important to have to supplement not having an elite scorer. Nunn is still a developmental player, even thou he is a very much a contributor. I believe Nunn can develop into a high level veteran role player starter. But I understand money talks. So, I think it should come down to Oladipo or Nunn. Nunn may also be used as a trade chips to add depth.

Lastly development of Precious and Okpala. I think they will be trade chips. But if one survives next season they must be reliable role players. Summer league is where we will watch and see.

Unlike the panic in this room after losing to the possibly eastern conference finals team, I see plenty of possible moves that would make this team a high level contender. Granted they have to close out on there off-season targets.

PG: Lowry - Nunn or Dipo
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Ariza
PF: Adebayo - Gay or Johnson - Love midseason
Ce: Adams - Dedmon

That's a tough contending team. No they do not look like other contenders and they don't need too.

[NBADraft2003]

Butler has been the only whale/superstar that has actually wanted to play for the Heat and Spo in like the past five years. Trading him would be a disaster for the franchise.

I don’t think he’s been the only one, he’s the only one who actually got here. You trade him, no big time free agent is touching this team again and you’ve more than likely pissed off Bam.

[HeatingUp3]

BTW what's kinda stings me is - We we're just so passive and missed some great opportunities to be better.

It's not just not Keeping Crowder, (I think we could have found a way), Guys like Christian Wood who is the rare fit next to Bam was available for cheap, and we all saw him coming before Rockets signed him. Norman Powell was very available. Quickly and Maxey we're eight there, but we choose a guy that our coach won't play next to our max guy.

We just missed on a lot of moves that could've been very impactful.

We have to nail a couple of moves this offseason.

[IceColdCubano]

Where are we goin this upcoming season? Nobody knows, just enjoy the voyage like we do every season. Good or Bad there will always be something to talk about in these forums. Listen I want to win like the rest of you or at least compete at the highest stage, but we have to be realistic sometimes and understand our time is not right now. Stop thinking were a few moves away that Bubble East playoffs was a fluke, throw that out the window. ( We are a middling, middle of the pack team ) 4th through 6th seed category. I expect Riley to try his best to change that, but this is not the offseason to get us there unfortunately. Yes, we will waste Jimmies prime unless he wants out. A good executive will always sell the franchise dream even when the mountain is unclimbable.

The franchise will continue to blend players around jimmy and Bam to keep us competitive. Under Riley we will always be an all in all the time team, we will never be a blow it up team. Starting from scratch doesn't sell tickets and Riley wont go for that. This offseason we neither has the assets or the picks. What we have are some expiring's, and vets that have heavy cap holds and some good young players that will get paid unfortunately. The wales available are either hurt, always getting injured, and or on their last legs. Can't throw max money at some of these guys who are going to be serviceable for 1 at worst 2 at best seasons. Best case, we get a trade demand to our team from a disgruntled superstar and we throw everything and the kitchen sink at them.

Regardless I am here to ride the wave how ever it may come.

[twix2500]

Where are we goin this upcoming season? Nobody knows, just enjoy the voyage like we do every season. Good or Bad there will always be something to talk about in these forums. Listen I want to win like the rest of you or at least compete at the highest stage, but we have to be realistic sometimes and understand our time is not right now. Stop thinking were a few moves away that Bubble East playoffs was a fluke, throw that out the window. ( We are a middling, middle of the pack team ) 4th through 6th seed category. I expect Riley to try his best to change that, but this is not the offseason to get us there unfortunately. Yes, we will waste Jimmies prime unless he wants out. A good executive will always sell the franchise dream even when the mountain is unclimbable.

The franchise will continue to blend players around jimmy and Bam to keep us competitive. Under Riley we will always be an all in all the time team, we will never be a blow it up team. Starting from scratch doesn't sell tickets and Riley wont go for that. This offseason we neither has the assets or the picks. What we have are some expiring's, and vets that have heavy cap holds and some good young players that will get paid unfortunately. The wales available are either hurt, always getting injured, and or on their last legs. Can't throw max money at some of these guys who are going to be serviceable for 1 at worst 2 at best seasons. Best case, we get a trade demand to our team from a disgruntled superstar and we throw everything and the kitchen sink at them.

Regardless I am here to ride the wave how ever it may come.

If the Heat are building the team around Jimmy and Bam, giving them the role player they need for them to lead how is it wasting their time? If they fail as leaders that is on them and they wanted the opportunity to lead.

I think some of you want to delegate Bam and Butler into role players. And find stars that are better than them. Its too late for that, Bam and Jimmy agreed to took Max contracts thus they are the ones to be built around. Its on them to be the stars.

Give them the role players and let Bam and Jimmy prove themselves.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

BTW what's kinda stings me is - We we're just so passive and missed some great opportunities to be better.

It's not just not Keeping Crowder, (I think we could have found a way), Guys like Christian Wood who is the rare fit next to Bam was available for cheap, and we all saw him coming before Rockets signed him. Norman Powell was very available. Quickly and Maxey we're eight there, but we choose a guy that our coach won't play next to our max guy.

We just missed on a lot of moves that could've been very impactful.

We have to nail a couple of moves this offseason.

The Giannis chase crippled us as when the dust settled we were left with Avery Bradley and Mo Harkless. Portis was still available and for pennies but for some reason we passed on him. Another horrible last chance miss that could have made a difference next to Bam and not lighting us up in the playoffs. Spo was all about going super small ball at the 4. They thought they could replicate Crowder but he was just built different. I mean we are the same organization that played 6'6 190 Derrick Jones Jr. at the 4. Spo still trying to replicate big 3 small ball but he fails to realize he's missing a 6'9 250 pound freak of nature in his prime. I mean it was called small ball but that Bosh 6'11 235 James 6'9 250 Battier 6'8 220 line is a lot more imposing then what we throw out today. If that's small ball then what are are playing today is dwarf ball. Spo had the audacity at times to run a lineup of Achuiwa, Iguodala, Herro, Nunn, and Dragic. Teams at the Y would outrebound that group Smdh

[oreon]

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As I've said before one of Dame, Lavine or Beal will get traded. The Heat shouldn't waste their assets on players like Adams or KP, who could make the team a little better but not elite. We need an elite top 10 offensive player to really contend. Once you get that player you figure out the rest of the pieces. If you are the Heat you bring back Robinson or S&T to get a pick. Also try to S&T Nunn for a pick.

[Beenie]

Mia best be ready with a big offer that includes Bam.

[oreon]

Mia best be ready with a big offer that includes Bam.

That's tough. Gobert made Bam almost untradeable. We know Bam was sheet this playoffs but defensively in the playoffs AD and Dray are the only 2 players I'd take over him. There's immense value in having a big who can guard 1 to 5, and you need him against Durant and Giannis.
I wouldn't include Bam. I don't see how you can contend in the East even with Dame if you don't have Bam. Elite defensive bigs who can protect the rim and defend 1 to 5 are an extremely rare breed.

[Beenie]

Mia best be ready with a big offer that includes Bam.

That's tough. Gobert made Bam almost untradeable. We know Bam was sheet this playoffs but defensively in the playoffs AD and Dray are the only 2 players I'd take over him. There's immense value in having a big who can guard 1 to 5, and you need him against Durant and Giannis.
I wouldn't include Bam. I don't see how you can contend in the East even with Dame if you don't have Bam. Elite defensive bigs who can protect the rim and defend 1 to 5 are an extremely rare breed.

It’s a no brainer for me. Dame is a champion caliber alpha. Bam is the 3rd best player on a championship level team.

[Kobewade11]

Mia best be ready with a big offer that includes Bam.

That's tough. Gobert made Bam almost untradeable. We know Bam was sheet this playoffs but defensively in the playoffs AD and Dray are the only 2 players I'd take over him. There's immense value in having a big who can guard 1 to 5, and you need him against Durant and Giannis. I wouldn't include Bam. I don't see how you can contend in the East even with Dame if you don't have Bam. Elite defensive bigs who can protect the rim and defend 1 to 5 are an extremely rare breed.

Giannis did what he wanted against us. And there is no stopping KD either. Dame is the caliber of player you empty the cupboard for if he’s available.

[Kobewade11]

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[DayofMourning]

Mia best be ready with a big offer that includes Bam.

That's tough. Gobert made Bam almost untradeable. We know Bam was sheet this playoffs but defensively in the playoffs AD and Dray are the only 2 players I'd take over him. There's immense value in having a big who can guard 1 to 5, and you need him against Durant and Giannis. I wouldn't include Bam. I don't see how you can contend in the East even with Dame if you don't have Bam. Elite defensive bigs who can protect the rim and defend 1 to 5 are an extremely rare breed.

Giannis did what he wanted against us. And there is no stopping KD either. Dame is the caliber of player you empty the cupboard for if he’s available.

There were some on this board a while back who wouldn't trade Hassan and Dragic for him....smh.