Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[SO_MONEY]

Neither can Jonathan Kuminga and he's been consensus top 5 in mocks.

All of these prospects have holes in their games. Barnes is only a freshman so the hope is that he can improve in the areas you noted. You can't teach his length and athleticism. He looks like a true 1-5 switchable defender. He's also got great handles and passing instincts for his size.

Which is why this draft is 4 deep and there is a massive drop off. Last year there was a ton of depth as far as role players, this draft seems weak. I wouldn't trade Beasley for a pick outside the top 4 and no team in the top 4 would move a pick for Beasley. I also don't think I would trade a future pick either, that is how big of a drop off I think there is

Couple of things about your Beasley valuation:
1. He's pretty one dimensional although the one thing he does well (shooting) is in high demand.
2. He has a track record of very questionable decision making. He's one more mistake away from a pretty serious league suspension or worse, a lengthy prison sentence.

If someone offers the #5 pick for Beasley, you take it and run.

I wouldn't. And if I did from the Wolves' perspective it would only be to avoid the LUX. He is young, with a elite skill on a reasonable contract, that mitigates risk via team option.

[TheProdigy]

Which is why this draft is 4 deep and there is a massive drop off. Last year there was a ton of depth as far as role players, this draft seems weak. I wouldn't trade Beasley for a pick outside the top 4 and no team in the top 4 would move a pick for Beasley. I also don't think I would trade a future pick either, that is how big of a drop off I think there is

Couple of things about your Beasley valuation:
1. He's pretty one dimensional although the one thing he does well (shooting) is in high demand.
2. He has a track record of very questionable decision making. He's one more mistake away from a pretty serious league suspension or worse, a lengthy prison sentence.

If someone offers the #5 pick for Beasley, you take it and run.

I wouldn't. And if I did from the Wolves' perspective it would only be to avoid the LUX. He is young, with a elite skill on a reasonable contract, that mitigates risk via team option.

Avoiding the lux is a pretty good idea considering how far we are from contending.

Another thing to think about is what Beasley's role will be on the team going forward. He's been able to put up some solid empty stats for us while other players have been injured. He plays the same position as our new cornerstone player (Edwards). If we're playing Edwards, DLo, and Beasley on the floor together for extended periods of time, we're going to get cooked on D. We need to have more defense in the backcourt if we're going to be competitive.

[SO_MONEY]

Couple of things about your Beasley valuation:
1. He's pretty one dimensional although the one thing he does well (shooting) is in high demand.
2. He has a track record of very questionable decision making. He's one more mistake away from a pretty serious league suspension or worse, a lengthy prison sentence.

If someone offers the #5 pick for Beasley, you take it and run.

I wouldn't. And if I did from the Wolves' perspective it would only be to avoid the LUX. He is young, with a elite skill on a reasonable contract, that mitigates risk via team option.

Avoiding the lux is a pretty good idea considering how far we are from contending.

Another thing to think about is what Beasley's role will be on the team going forward. He's been able to put up some solid empty stats for us while other players have been injured. He plays the same position as our new cornerstone player (Edwards). If we're playing Edwards, DLo, and Beasley on the floor together for extended periods of time, we're going to get cooked on D. We need to have more defense in the backcourt if we're going to be competitive.

This team will struggle in many, many games if it sacrifices Beasley's shooting for one dimensional defense. So it depends on the PF he could fetch. If you are thinking Simmons, we can't trade Beasley as an example.

[Nick K]

Over on the trade board, someone suggested

Malik Beasley + Juancho for Josh Richardson and Dorian Finley-Smith

Whadayathink?

Now there is a suggestion that's realistic to look at. If it were two years ago I'd do it but now I wouldn't.

Josh has really fallen off. I was big on him before Philly but they moved him and Dallas wants to move him too. DFS is decent but we need more size and better rebounding than he can give us at PF.

Beasley is better than those two put together.

[Nick K]

I personally don’t value Simmons highly, with injury risk, confidence issues, and because he hasn’t been able to improve his shooting in the last several years. His contract, which is greater than the typical max, magnifies that risk. But I still think we will see a trade where PHI gets a good package.

The issue here is that the final price for Simmons won’t be the consensus, or the average. PHI only cares about the highest offer. Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package). However, Dane Moore talked to two NBA execs, and they said that if KAT and Edwards aren’t in a deal, it would take two picks (which would be sent elsewhere to get PHI win-now talent). Some GM’s — maybe even Rosas — need to get some wins or they may lose their job, and he would be more helpful (at least, in the regular season), than future picks.

Anyway, if 27 teams think he is low value, and 2 teams think he is great, those two will try to outbid each other, and PHI will get a good return. I think this is the likely end result - PHI will trade him this summer, and get a decent return.

I just hope MIN isn’t the team that overpays for him.

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

I know. I've been hoping people look at his poor shooting, to keep him down, which I don't care about to fill our need at PF. I love Barnes almost as much as I did Ant last year.

[Nick K]

Very few people in this league deserve a max … 3/4ths of the max contracts do not correlate with performance. Therefore most trades are melely two teams swapping spot trying to keep fans happy with a change. None of them care that they all overpaid these louses to start with

I mostly agree Dewey. I like and am amused by your point of view.

[TheProdigy]

I wouldn't. And if I did from the Wolves' perspective it would only be to avoid the LUX. He is young, with a elite skill on a reasonable contract, that mitigates risk via team option.

Avoiding the lux is a pretty good idea considering how far we are from contending.

Another thing to think about is what Beasley's role will be on the team going forward. He's been able to put up some solid empty stats for us while other players have been injured. He plays the same position as our new cornerstone player (Edwards). If we're playing Edwards, DLo, and Beasley on the floor together for extended periods of time, we're going to get cooked on D. We need to have more defense in the backcourt if we're going to be competitive.

This team will struggle in many, many games if it sacrifices Beasley's shooting for one dimensional defense. So it depends on the PF he could fetch. If you are thinking Simmons, we can't trade Beasley as an example.

I would have loved to get Simmons prior to drafting Edwards but he's not a good fit anymore. I want to surround Edwards and KAT with 3&D guys in the mold of Jae Crowder, Josh Richardson, Mikal Bridges, PJ Washington, etc.

[Nick K]

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

Cant shoot at all, and cant make free throws...

He isn't that bad but more importantly we don't need him to shoot. The idea is to put the right pieces together to make a great team. Scottie Barnes excels at all the things we don't have and badly need.

He is the perfect piece to the puzzle. That's why I'd pay a high price to get him.

The only guy I like more is Mobley.

[Nick K]

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

Cant shoot at all, and cant make free throws...

Neither can Jonathan Kuminga and he's been consensus top 5 in mocks.

All of these prospects have holes in their games. Barnes is only a freshman so the hope is that he can improve in the areas you noted. You can't teach his length and athleticism. He looks like a true 1-5 switchable defender. He's also got great handles and passing instincts for his size.

it's a joy to read someone who so totally gets it.

[Nick K]

I wouldn't. And if I did from the Wolves' perspective it would only be to avoid the LUX. He is young, with a elite skill on a reasonable contract, that mitigates risk via team option.

Avoiding the lux is a pretty good idea considering how far we are from contending.

Another thing to think about is what Beasley's role will be on the team going forward. He's been able to put up some solid empty stats for us while other players have been injured. He plays the same position as our new cornerstone player (Edwards). If we're playing Edwards, DLo, and Beasley on the floor together for extended periods of time, we're going to get cooked on D. We need to have more defense in the backcourt if we're going to be competitive.

This team will struggle in many, many games if it sacrifices Beasley's shooting for one dimensional defense. So it depends on the PF he could fetch. If you are thinking Simmons, we can't trade Beasley as an example.

We have plenty of shooting in Kat, Ant, and Dlo not to mention McD at the 3 who will break out on the offensive end this year. I'd bet on that.

With the right piece and a solid bench we could be a very good team in a hurry.

[SO_MONEY]

Avoiding the lux is a pretty good idea considering how far we are from contending.

Another thing to think about is what Beasley's role will be on the team going forward. He's been able to put up some solid empty stats for us while other players have been injured. He plays the same position as our new cornerstone player (Edwards). If we're playing Edwards, DLo, and Beasley on the floor together for extended periods of time, we're going to get cooked on D. We need to have more defense in the backcourt if we're going to be competitive.

This team will struggle in many, many games if it sacrifices Beasley's shooting for one dimensional defense. So it depends on the PF he could fetch. If you are thinking Simmons, we can't trade Beasley as an example.

We have plenty of shooting in Kat, Ant, and Dlo not to mention McD at the 3 who will break out on the offensive end this year. I'd bet on that.

With the right piece and a solid bench we could be a very good team in a hurry.

Lol. Our shooting wouldn't be very good, the only shooter we would have would be KAT every other player is hovering around average a tick above or below, so no we wouldn't have plenty of shooting, definitely not enough to support something like Simmons.

[Baseline81]

He is the perfect piece to the puzzle. That's why I'd pay a high price to get him.

The only guy I like more is Mobley.

Again, what assets would Orlando or OKC want from the Wolves, excluding the likes of Russell, Edwards, McDaniels and Towns. For better or worse, those four are the ones Rosas is building around. Beasley may be apart of that, but his salary and skill set is likely the best asset available. He and a protected pick would not be enough for the sixth overall pick, let alone top-3 for Mobley.

[Nick K]

He is the perfect piece to the puzzle. That's why I'd pay a high price to get him.

The only guy I like more is Mobley.

Again, what assets would Orlando or OKC want from the Wolves, excluding the likes of Russell, Edwards, McDaniels and Towns. For better or worse, those four are the ones Rosas is building around. Beasley may be apart of that, but his salary and skill set is likely the best asset available. He and a protected pick would not be enough for the sixth overall pick, let alone top-3 for Mobley.

I would give them a starter in Beasley and an unprotected 1st next year. The 6th pick might not even start for them.

[life_saver]

Saw this trade proposal on twitter...looks realistic for the most part

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[IceManBK1]

Saw this trade proposal on twitter...looks realistic for the most part

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I'd ship out our players and two 1sts in a standalone package. but if the extra picks entice portland to get involved in this 3 team trade. i'm all in for it.

[IceManBK1]

how about this trade..we trade Beasley, Rubio, reid, bolmaro and 2 protected 1sts for Ben Simmons and Danny Green?

[Baseline81]

Saw this trade proposal on twitter...looks realistic for the most part

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When you are paying three maximum contracts in Russell, Simmons and Towns, it is a must to have cheap talent elsewhere. I can't see giving up Bolmaro and Reid, in addition to Rubio and Beasley.

[shrink]

Saw this trade proposal on twitter...looks realistic for the most part

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This is a good example of why everyone should put an IN and OUT for each team. It not only helps readers evaluate the trade for each team, but it keeps the poster from putting up something ridiculous

PHI IN: Lillard
PHI OUT: Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle, 4 unprotected 1sts.

The 30 year old Lillard averages close to $50 mil/year for the next four years.

[younggunsmn]

Over on the trade board, someone suggested

Malik Beasley + Juancho for Josh Richardson and Dorian Finley-Smith

Whadayathink?

Replace Finney-Smith with Maxi Kleber and I'd be very very interested.
He's as close as we'll find to a perfect option at PF who doesnt need touches but can hit 3's at 40%+,
has grit and plays defense.


Russell
Ant
Richardson
Kleber
KAT

Bench:
Rubio
Nowell
McDaniels
Naz

If McDaniels outplays Richardson and earns a starting spot we've got a pretty good bench wing.

[Nick K]

Over on the trade board, someone suggested

Malik Beasley + Juancho for Josh Richardson and Dorian Finley-Smith

Whadayathink?

Replace Finney-Smith with Maxi Kleber and I'd be very very interested.
He's as close as we'll find to a perfect option at PF who doesnt need touches but can hit 3's at 40%+,
has grit and plays defense.


Russell
Ant
Richardson
Kleber
KAT

Bench:
Rubio
Nowell
McDaniels
Naz

If McDaniels outplays Richardson and earns a starting spot we've got a pretty good bench wing.

I like Kleber a lot but I don't think Dallas does it. Josh has slipped quite a bit. i might do that though. Kleber would be worth it.